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When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« on: March 31, 2017, 06:35:04 PM »
So I went to UPS to pick up my packet and got a refusal.  The letter was addressed to me but the reason for refusal was someone that is most definitely not me.  It spoke of our 2015 marriage in Punjab, Pakistan (we got married in California in 1996)  and said that divorce papers weren't included.  Attached were my documents which included our Calofornia marriage certificate and both of our divorce decrees.  At least I got my own passport back instead of someone else's.  Not sure what to do now and it's too late to do anything today.  So looks like I'm stuck anther month or two.

I'm very disappointed and down, if anyone has any advice about next steps, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Kate
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2017, 06:51:31 PM »
im so sorry. I was thinking about you all day today. its disgusting they messed it up so badly.

its totally their error. you shouldn't have to reapply if they have screwed it up. hopefully someone else comes along and can give you some advice.

your journey is taking longer, but you will get there in the end. let me/us know if there is anything we can do to help.
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2017, 07:21:06 PM »
So I went to UPS to pick up my packet and got a refusal.  The letter was addressed to me but the reason for refusal was someone that is most definitely not me.  It spoke of our 2015 marriage in Punjab, Pakistan (we got married in California in 1996)  and said that divorce papers weren't included.  Attached were my documents which included our Calofornia marriage certificate and both of our divorce decrees.  At least I got my own passport back instead of someone else's.  Not sure what to do now and it's too late to do anything today.  So looks like I'm stuck anther month or two.

I'm very disappointed and down, if anyone has any advice about next steps, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Kate

That sucks.

There was someone else in a similar situation where they received someone else's passport, but I'm not sure what they did.

You've probably already checked, but have you flipped through your passport? If you got a refusal letter meant for someone else, your visa may not have been refused. Worth a quick flip through your passport in case there's better news there!
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2017, 07:27:31 PM »
https://ukvi-international.faq-help.com

this is the information for the us help line. usually they are useless but, they are open until 5pm eastern standard time so you still have time to call and get the case rolling so they can really get into it on Monday.  I would also maybe get your husband's mp involved since it is such a big mess up.
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2017, 10:16:16 PM »
I'm going to bed.  I will respond this weekend with clear instructions what to do.  Ksand is traveling.  Don't worry we'll get this sorted.  Chin up.  I'm so sorry that this has happened.  We'll get fixed and quickly, promise!


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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2017, 12:31:46 AM »
I'm so sorry this happened to you. There is so much knowledge and willingness to help on this forum that I pray someone has the answers to guide you in the right direction with what to do next.

I'm new here and I haven't applied yet, so I can't offer much advice. Just moral support. Just know that you have positive thoughts coming your way!


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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2017, 10:01:56 AM »
So I went to UPS to pick up my packet and got a refusal.  The letter was addressed to me but the reason for refusal was someone that is most definitely not me.  It spoke of our 2015 marriage in Punjab, Pakistan (we got married in California in 1996)  and said that divorce papers weren't included.  Attached were my documents which included our Calofornia marriage certificate and both of our divorce decrees.  At least I got my own passport back instead of someone else's.  Not sure what to do now and it's too late to do anything today.  So looks like I'm stuck anther month or two.

I'm very disappointed and down, if anyone has any advice about next steps, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Kate
Kate, I'm sure that there will be some experienced and useful advice coming your way from the members of this board.  For my own part, we had a refusal first time because we hadn't sent correct docs. I looked into appeal process initially but would have failed as technically we had messed up and the ECO was technically correct even if it would have been nice if they had just requested the additional docs. I did phone them in Leeds and they responded quickly but it is a longer process than application but perhaps you can call to see what they suggest when a clear error has been made. It is hard finding a number to ring. I will let other more experienced people advise but if you do have to take this route let me know and I will dig out the number. I know someone suggested an MP involvement and KFDancer/ksand will perhaps have a good strategy. I know Lyonaria managed to find a route to overturn a duff decision in the past too. I am so sorry and I know you must feel awful right now. All. I can say is try and stay positive as there will be a way to overturn this dreadful mistake.


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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2017, 11:18:55 AM »
No advice, just tons of sympathy! What a rotten, awful thing to happen. I really hope someone has advice to give you that will make things better.
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 12:31:13 PM »
Hiya,

Getting a denied visa is probably one of the worst feelings I have ever had in my life. It's this horrible helpless feeling. It happened to me twice. The first time we didn't fully comprehend the income requirements (I hadn't found UKY yet) and the refusal was warranted.

I do hope you've taken some time to be sad since you found out. Having a really good cry and railing about UKVI really helped me.

Alright. I have to ask, were ALL of the details discussed in your refusal letter incorrect? Or was it a mix of you and the person married in Pakistan? This is important. It will affect the content of your email to them.

Remember, this mix up was not your fault. It lies entirely with the UKVI.

Basically, you know a mistake was made by the ECO in regards to your case/application. You do not know the outcome of your application, I would not mention anything about whether or not you were refused or denied since you don't actually know. You have righteous indignation on your side. Use it.

Be polite, firm and strong in how you write about your letter containing the wrong details. You know you are in the right, a mistake was made. No matter how upset you are, please remember there is no need for name calling. The person who made the mistake isn't likely to be the one to see your email. Mistakes like this do not happen regularly. They are human, they can make mistakes.
(politeness and understanding is always appreciated by those who are on the front line working with upset people)

What you need to do is send them an email explaining exactly what has happened, include all the pertinent details, your GWF number (i may be calling that the wrong thing, it's been awhile), etc. I would suggest including excerpts from your refusal letter (possibly a photo of it if it's legible when you take the photo) and photos taken of your actual wedding certificate. Referencing the attachment of the photos in your email. Also reference all of the incorrect information and providing them with the correct information. The more data/references you can use as proof, the better your claim.

They should have all of the documentation they need to verify what you are saying is correct. It depends on what they sent back to you. I know some people got the majority of what they sent in back from them (including the copies).

It may be a good idea for you OH to contact their MP sooner rather than later about this. Personally, I would try to contact UKVI myself first, waiting for the timeframe the autoresponder lists for an answer, then you can tell your MP that you've tried contacting them first and since UKVI hadn't responded you need their help. This shows you are trying to work within the proper framework. UK people like that.

Please realise that this will not guarantee you'll have an approval at the end. It should mean that someone else will go over your application.

And just as an FYI:
I was working with the UKVI in early January of 2014 when my denial came through that I was able to get switched to an approval. I was one of the last people to get an email that told me whether or not my visa was approved before it was posted to me. These are the exact steps I took.

I'm sorry this has happened as the stress is horrible and no one needs that in their life.

X-posted with Sirius
The Administrative Review that Sirius has linked to is essentially what I asked for but was not available when I applied. I'd take a look at that as well, since it's pretty much exactly what I say to do in an email rather than through their 'official' channels. :)




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The usual. American girl meets British guy. They fall into like, then into love. Then there was the big decision. The American traveled across the pond to join the Brit. And life was never the same again.


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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 12:42:25 PM »

And just as an FYI:
I was working with the UKVI in early January of 2014 when my denial came through that I was able to get switched to an approval. I was one of the last people to get an email that told me whether or not my visa was approved before it was posted to me. These are the exact steps I took.



X-posted with Sirius
The Administrative Review that Sirius has linked to is essentially what I asked for. I didn't call it that, but I do believe that's what happened.

According to that link I posted, the "Administrative Review" proceedure only seems to have started from 6 April 2015 and has to be on a set form.


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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2017, 12:44:53 PM »
According to that link I posted, the "Administrative Review" proceedure only seems to have started from 6 April 2015 and has to be on a set form.

I edited my response after I looked through to the form. I'd been working on it for awhile :)

Everything I told her to do, she needs to do anyway but put it on the proper form.
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 12:47:07 PM »
I edited my response after I looked through to the form. I'd been working on it for awhile :)

Everything I told her to do, she needs to do anyway but put it on the proper form.

 ;D These crossed posts...


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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 12:52:27 PM »
;D These crossed posts...

those are only for Tier 1,2,4, and 5...

Settlement visas don't fall under those as they aren't point based.

Use this form if all of the following apply:

your visa application was refused and you want to request an administrative review of the decision
you’re outside the UK
you applied for a visa under Tier 1, 2, 4 or 5
Read the guidance notes before you apply.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-administrative-review-of-visa-decision
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Re: When it goes wrong, it can really go wrong
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2017, 01:24:12 PM »
those are only for Tier 1,2,4, and 5...

Settlement visas don't fall under those as they aren't point based.

Use this form if all of the following apply:

your visa application was refused and you want to request an administrative review of the decision
you’re outside the UK
you applied for a visa under Tier 1, 2, 4 or 5
Read the guidance notes before you apply.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-administrative-review-of-visa-decision

You're right, the link to the relevant form for AR did go to the PBS visas.

I've just searched and found this post from February 2017 and how they resolved it.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/citizenship-passports-spouse-family-visas-uk-196/serious-cockup-sheffield-891376/

Or you have lyonaria's post to follow.
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