New SET(M) Form. Call me shocked!

I didn't think it needed to be five years of correspondence based on the tickbox above the note:
 "Documents addressed to you and your partner at the same address as evidence that you have been living together continuously since your last grant of leave in this category. See Note 8."

I read this as having to show correspondence from the date of the last FLR


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Oh, maybe - I literally just scanned over it quickly .

I had a question about this form I was reading it. I am not sure if I am just confused by misreading a line when you are exempt from the minimum income threshold (my wife has DLA)
When you jump down to section 8B it says this:

The way I read this is that not just me but my wife (since shes the sponsor) has to show the adequate maintenance without public funds?

Am I misreading something? Or does that mean if she receives housing benefit that would make the application fail?

No - it's exactly the same requirement as for the fiance/spousal visa and FLR(M).

You only have to show that the sponsor can adequately maintain YOU without YOU claiming public funds.

The sponsor can claim as many benefits as they are entitled to, as long as they don't claim EXTRA because of the applicant. I.e. they can claim benefits as a single person, but cannot claim more based on being a couple.

By reading this, it seems that you actually have to send in your passport/BRP rather than having the post office (or wherever) do official checks and scans. Any idea if that's the requirement? Weren't we expecting ILR to take 6+ months to be granted?

By reading this, it seems that you actually have to send in your passport/BRP rather than having the post office (or wherever) do official checks and scans. Any idea if that's the requirement? Weren't we expecting ILR to take 6+ months to be granted?

On the first page of the notes, it talks about in person appointments and settlement checking service (SCS). That's unchanged also.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/618084/SET_M__Guidane_Notes_06-2017.pdf

ahhh hadn't seen the notes. thanks, larrabee!

Ohhh will have a read now.

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The way I read this is that not just me but my wife (since shes the sponsor) has to show the adequate maintenance without public funds?

Am I misreading something? Or does that mean if she receives housing benefit that would make the application fail?

You only have to show that the sponsor can adequately maintain YOU without YOU claiming public funds.

The sponsor can claim as many benefits as they are entitled to, as long as they don't claim EXTRA because of the applicant. I.e. they can claim benefits as a single person, but cannot claim more based on being a couple.

This means that for Housing Benefit, if she is under age 35 and receiving the Shared Accommodation rate, she couldn't then claim the higher 1 Bedroom couple rate as you are not allowed to have public funds. However your income and savings are used for her claim as you are a couple.

It will most likely be different when the Welfare Reforms Act (law) starts to come in from this year, as Housing Benefit is one of the six income based benefits being replaced by a new benefit called Universal Credit and that has different rules.

This means that for Housing Benefit, if she is under age 35 and receiving the Shared Accommodation rate, she couldn't then claim the higher 1 Bedroom couple rate as you are not allowed to have public funds. However your income and savings are used for her claim as you are a couple.

It will most likely be different when the Welfare Reforms Act (law) starts to come in from this year, as Housing Benefit is one of the six income based benefits being replaced by a new benefit called Universal Credit and that has different rules.

Sirius is there a "dumb man's explanation" of Universal Credits?  Like 20 words about how it will work?

Sirius is there a "dumb man's explanation" of Universal Credits?  Like 20 words about how it will work?

20 words?

Quote from a parents welfare forum several years ago, when the Welfare Reform Bill was going throught Parliament and the Lords, and they realised that able bodied parents would once again have to work under these reforms.

 if they make my husband and I work 35 hours a week each,  then we won't be able to claim benefits anymore.

Okay, I'm genuinely interested in learning more about Universal Credits. My Social Worker husband tried to explain it to me and failed.

Any recommended reading that isn't super jargony? 

20 words?

Quote from a parents welfare forum several years ago, when the Welfare Reform Bill was going throught Parliament and the Lords, and they realised that able bodied parents would once again have to work under these reforms.

 if they make my husband and I work 35 hours a week each,  then we won't be able to claim benefits anymore.

Oh dear.  Sometimes people need to think before they type!

Is it basically "lots of hoop jumping and red tape for less payout"?  Or is it simply trying to cut down on people working the system and providing greater care for those who are genuine?

Oh dear.  Sometimes people need to think before they type!

It made me laugh.

Is it basically "lots of hoop jumping and red tape for less payout"?  Or is it simply trying to cut down on people working the system and providing greater care for those who are genuine?

Both. Those who are tying to earn more and get off benefits, are saying they will get more money under UC as there is no cliff edge drop in benefits as they earn more; up to the point when they can get off all benefits.
Those working the system will have less money and more hoops to jump through.

All of these income based benefits are now under the same rules with UC. i.e. the cut-off for income based benefits is 16k, but someone with thousands of pounds in savings but a lowish income and say a landlord with lots of properties, could claim Tax Credits. As could someone who had their own business and a good accountant. Whereas someone with no savings, capital, or house, but who had a salary over the Tax Credits threshold, could not claim TCs. UC has a cut-off of 16k and that will now include all savings, capiltal, equity in properties not their main home etc, in the UK and abroad.


Plus all the anomalies have been written out. i.e.
Tax Credits is only claimed yearly and is based on what was earned in that tax year. This meant that someone who lost their job, took a lower paid job and claimed the Tax Credits benefit, then a few months later got a better paid job and ended their TC claim, had to pay all their Tax Credits back! Whereas those that didn't try to earn more and claimed Tax Credits year after year, could keep their Tax Credits. This will be stopped as UC is claimed monthly and the claimants have a minmum to earn each week.

Okay, I'm genuinely interested in learning more about Universal Credits. My Social Worker husband tried to explain it to me and failed.

Any recommended reading that isn't super jargony?

Happy reading  I have only picked up stuff from the forums and this site might need someone who knows about UC.

This is from one of the two sites that the UK government recommends for benefit checks, with lots of links to follow for reading up on UC.

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Universal-Credit/What-is-Universal-Credit#guide-content

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Universal-Credit-transitional-protection/How-long-will-I-get-Universal-Credit-transitional

Oh and don't get confused by the 2 child limit and who handles that. This was only brought from April 2017 and was thought of after the Welfare Reforn Act.  MAC reported that 6.1 billion a year in 2013, went via the Tax Credits benefit to people who were not a British citizen when they first got their NINo. UC can't handle these yet until next year. ATM, these claims will still be handled by HMRC (for Tax Credits) and their local council (for Housing Benefit) but the two child limit still applies.

Happy reading  I have only picked up stuff from the forums and this site might need someone who knows about UC.

This is from one of the two sites that the UK government recommends for benefit checks, with lots of links to follow for reading up on UC.

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Universal-Credit/What-is-Universal-Credit#guide-content

https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Universal-Credit-transitional-protection/How-long-will-I-get-Universal-Credit-transitional

Oh and don't get confuesed by the 2 child limit and who handles that. This was only brought from April 2017 and was thought of after the Welfare Reforn Act. b MAC reported that 6.1 billion a year in 2013, went via the Tax Credits benefit to people who were not a British citizen when they first got their NINo. UC can't handle these yet until next year. ATM, these claims will still be handled by HMRC (for Tax Credits) and their local council (for Housing Benefit) by the two child limit still applies.

Cheers for that! I knew some laws about Housing Benefits were changing this year because my in-laws were whinging about it, but I didn't realise it was in any way connected to the Universal Credit thing.

Well, I've put my husband on the case so if he actually gets around to doing more research I'll loan him my account to advise on it. He's a social law nerd.

I just want to do my own research so I can actually talk to him instead of nodding my head dumbly.

Cheers for that! I knew some laws about Housing Benefits were changing this year because my in-laws were whinging about it, but I didn't realise it was in any way connected to the Universal Credit thing.

Maybe not as there have been more changes under the Welfare Reform Acts than just Universal Credit. I've seen quite a few complaining about Housing Benefit changes, especially since those in social housing on benefits, have now been brought into line with the same rules that apply to those in private rentals.  I'll let you check 
https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Benefit-Changes/Benefit-Changes-Timetable-2017-2018