working in EU when on Spousal Visa

Hey Guys, quick question. I have been offered a massive job opportunity(my own team here in London!!) Anyway question is that the head office is in Ireland so wondering how working there will be? I will be there a few days each month.  Is this ok to be there without a work visa? What should I take with me to prove that I am not staying in Ireland when I go through immigration?

You'll have to look into the laws for foreign workers in Ireland -- your UK spouse visa doesn't give you permission to work anywhere but in the UK.

My feeling is that it probably won't be a major issue. It's likely that they have some version of the Business Visitor visa the the UK has. It's definitely Irish laws you'll need to consider, though

No, it's not OK to be there without a work visa. That's not legal.

You are probably eligible for the Van der Elst visa process, which allows someone resident in the EU to work in Ireland temporarily under certain conditions (remaining on the payroll in the other EU country, etc.) Since it sounds like you're going to be going back and forth for a while!

There's also a regular business visa, but you'd need one of them in advance. You can't just turn up.

My thoughts on it were that im paid through the London office, and only traveling to that office for business so i thought I didn't need a visa... wouldn't HR have informed me if I did???

I know my husband travels to non eu countries(including the us) for business? So this must be similar as long as its not an Irish company hiring me?

Unless your HR company is experienced in dealing with people on UK spouse visas, it may not have occurred to them that you'd not have the same privileges in Ireland as a UK citizen.

Every country has different laws, so your husband's travel outside the EU is not really relevant to your situation. A lot depends on how long you'll be staying in Ireland and what you'll be doing. If you're just attending meetings, it's likely NBD and the Irish equivalent of the business visitor visa (which in the UK doesn't need to be applied for in advance) would suffice. But if you're going to be managing projects, or spending several weeks at a time there, then you'd probably need a visa.

Again, look into the Irish laws.

My thoughts on it were that im paid through the London office, and only traveling to that office for business so i thought I didn't need a visa... wouldn't HR have informed me if I did???

It's your immigration history, so it's important for you to get this right.

I know my husband travels to non eu countries(including the us) for business? So this must be similar as long as its not an Irish company hiring me?

Your husband will be using US immigration rules I assume?

Your UK spouse visa allows you to work in the UK only. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, but the Republic of Ireland is not.

If you are going to working in the Republic of Ireland, you will need to follow the Irish immigration rules to be allowed to work there legally.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/

Im not technically working in that office, just there for  training and then meetings. A week to start and then a few days every few months.  My office location is London. I just travel sometimes.  I wont be in just Ireland either, most likely Dubai and Canada at some points.



My husband has traveled all over with his job(hes a uk citzen) and even with the us, he just goes through on his esta, telling them hes there for work meetings. Hes never required a working visa anywhere else. Thats why im a bit confused about needing something else.

This is something you'll need to check in regards to what is or isn't allowed on a visitor visa for those countries.

Certain activities may be allowed as a 'business visitor', such as attending a conference or a meeting, but other things may not be allowed.

For example, someone without a visa to live/work in the UK can attend meetings, conferences or training on a visitor visa. However, they can't do things like undertake employment, or provide goods and services.

So you'll need to investigate the Irish, UAE and Canadian visitor visa rules to find out what is and is not permitted as a visitor.


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It's likely that they have some version of the Business Visitor visa the the UK has.

That visa doesn't allow someone to do paid or unpaid work in the UK.

You can’t:

    do paid or unpaid work

It's used by those who want to come to the UK for

"you’re coming to the UK for a conference, meeting or training"

It's also one of the visas that was replaced by the Standand Visitor visa, years ago
https://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor-visa/overview


The Irish Business visa seems to be for the same sort of thing -

You can apply for this visa if you are working outside Ireland and want to come to Ireland to carry out activities relating to your job e.g. attend meetings, attend trade shows for promotional work, arrange deals or negotiate or sign trade agreements or contracts, carry out fact finding missions.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Business%20Visa

Are you American?  I filled out the form and got this:

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/non-visa-short-work

'Exceptions & special circumstances

Work for 14 days or less

If your work starts and ends within a single 14 day period, you do not need to apply for immigration permission to work before you travel.
However, you must request temporary permission to work when you arrive at border control. Make sure to bring appropriate documents with you when you travel, eg original contract.
Work transfer from another EU/EEA country or Switzerland (Van der Elst)

You do not need to apply for immigration permission for work before you travel if you are employed by a company in another EU/EEA country or Switzerland and you are being sent to work in Ireland by your employer (up to a maximum of 12 months).
This status is called 'Van der Elst' (with reference to a 1994 European Court of Justice ruling).
However, you must request permission to enter Ireland for work when you arrive at border control. Make sure to bring appropriate documents with you when you travel, eg proof of employment, company address in Ireland.'

Do these apply to you?

Thanks MPI! Was starting to have a massive panic!

Yup that me, american citizen. Only there for 4 days this time. Wont be back for a month or two after that. I have my contract, and ill print out all the emails from my company's travel department stating that they are sending me, along with the return flight and hotel reservations. I also have my council tax bill to show I have a home to go back to in the UK. think that is enough??

Thanks MPI! Was starting to have a massive panic!

Yup that me, american citizen. Only there for 4 days this time. Wont be back for a month or two after that. I have my contract, and ill print out all the emails from my company's travel department stating that they are sending me, along with the return flight and hotel reservations. I also have my council tax bill to show I have a home to go back to in the UK. think that is enough??

Definitely.  Most countries allow business trips without a formal visa, but some do so it's always wise to never assume it'll be okay (I used to do a lot of international travel for work).  You likely won't be asked for documentation until they clock on that you are entering frequently (which may be never).

However, you must request permission to enter Ireland for work when you arrive at border control.

Except UK to Ireland is the Common Travel Area with no border control.

In Ireland you still clear immigration clearance, its only coming back from Ireland that you do not!

Did it every other weekend for two and a half year and waited in the lovely half hour plus lines every Monday morning