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Are there any vegans here?
« on: December 09, 2004, 05:52:18 PM »
Just curious to know if anyone is following a vegan lifestyle, or lacto-ovo vegetarian?


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 05:56:16 PM »
Vegetarian/pescetarian here


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2004, 11:03:52 PM »
I am a flexitarian.   ::)  I keep a vegan lifestyle at home mainly for a healthy lifestyle, but I'll eat whatever is offered if I am at someone's house or traveling or if it's thanksgiving. 

I have  been very impressed with the amount of vegan foods and the easy labeling system here in the UK, but some prepared food (is it the filler?) taste really strange to me.


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2004, 02:44:38 AM »

I've never been a strict vegan, but I was a strict ovo-lacto vegetarian--no fish, chicken, beef--anything that had a face (for personal, not health, reasons) until just recently, when a few people I know in the medical world suggested that my diet may have been a contributing factor to the osteonecrosis I have, and that changing it might help, or slow down the progression. So in the past two months, I've started eating meat again, after 17 years of not doing so.

I knew all the vegetarian food lines in the States. If you're strictly vegan, I couldn't specifically recommend anything, because most food--as you well know--has some egg or dairy ingredients. But Linda McCartney (as in the deceased wife of Paul) has a line of frozen foods out here, and there's an increasing number of vegetarian foods in the supermarkets that actually taste good ("fake" burgers, hot dogs, sandwich meat, etc.). In the States (in the Northeast, anyway), there's a line of frozen foods under the label Morningstar Farms. Oddly enough, they have it here, but just one item--streaky bacon, as they call it here, or, simply, bacon. It's amazingly good (smells and tastes like the real thing).

If your reasons for being vegan are ethical, I completely sympathize. I always struggled with that myself, because I didn't want to be a contributor to factory farming, the inevitable animal mistreatment/abuse that goes with it, etc. And there's no doubt that dairy cows and chickens raised for eggs are often mistreated, as well.

If you're going to remain strictly vegan, it's going to be difficult, but more power to you! However, if you're willing to compromise just a little and go the lacto-ovo route, you'll fit the definition of a true vegetarian (there's no such thing as a fish-eating vegetarian, or a chicken-eating vegetarian--by definition, vegetarians don't eat flesh, period), be able to live with a relatively clear conscience, and find there's a lot of vegetarian food out there.

As long as you keep sufficient protein in your diet--beans, nuts, etc. (I was very lax about that), you should be okay. But do consider a slight compromise.



Suzanne

P.S. Just for starters, you can get "veggie" mince meat (or ground beef/hamburger meat, as known Stateside), that you can use with spaghetti, tacos, etc., and you can't tell the difference. Anyway, hope that helps. My email address is listed in my profile. Feel free to drop me a line, and I can give you some recipes. :)

P.P.S. I can't help but throw these definitions in, as people are often confused about what being a vegetarian vs. a vegan is. This comes from the Oxford Dictionary of English (Webster's says basically the same thing):

"vegan (noun)--a person who does not eat or use animal products"

"vegetarian (noun)--a person who does not eat meat or fish, and sometimes other animal products, especially for moral, religious, or health reasons"

Oh, what the hell: I'll throw in Merriam Webster's definitions as well:

"vegan (noun)--a strict vegetarian who consumes no animal foods or dairy products"

A vegetarian (noun) is defined as "one who believes in or practices vegetarianism," so I'll add the definition of the adjective form of vegetarian: "consisting wholly of vegetables, fruits, grains, nuts, and sometimes eggs or dairy products (as in, "a vegetarian diet")

So much for the schoolteacher bit. But on a funny note, for the Simpsons fans out there, DOH has made it into the Oxford dictionary:

"doh (exclamation, informal)--used to comment on a foolish or stupid action, especially one's own: 'I keep crashing cars. Doh! What a dummy!'"
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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 09:36:00 AM »
My daughter and I are both vegetarians. And since I do all the cooking, hubby and son eat vegetarian 99.9% of the time. :D

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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2004, 12:49:01 AM »
Hi Suzanne, thanks for the tips. I never know quite what to call myself when asked because I am not vegan in a strict sense (I will eat products that contain egg and still like to have a teaspoon of butter on my toast) but I do not consume any dairy products other than that bit of butter--no milk or cheese of any kind and no meat. I will however eat breads that contain a bit of milk or yoghurt, like naan breads.  I also use products that are made from animals, like leather, etc, so to some people that also leaves me out of the vegan category. But if I just say I'm vegetarian, people automatically want to offer me a cheese omelette. :) It can make you feel overly fussy and troublesome!! I was just wondering how many other people have moved to a plant-based diet and are finding it hard to communicate that to others.


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2004, 05:31:30 AM »
Well I've been vegetarian for about 17 years and I'm still getting offered cheese omlettes  ;D The main reason I eat fish was mainly because it makes life a bit easier - there weren't all the vege convenience products avilable back then, like there are now.  I did give it up for the first year but it just got too hard, especially when eating out.  It doesn't matter what you say, people never know what you mean unless you say "I don't eat beef, lamb. chicken, turkey" etc etc  Half the time when I say I'm vegetarian I get offered chicken. You will probably get a better result if you say you don't want meat or dairy, terms like vegan and vegetarian can make the unitiated think you eat mung beans and nothing else.


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2004, 10:05:54 AM »
In our business, we provide lunches to our students. Maybe it's a blind generality, but I've felt that the more intelligent person will think of their diet to make conscious choices, such as vegan or vegetarian (I question the logic of being fruitarian...LOL, sorry, don't mean to offend). And, we get a lot of very smart people on our courses. Ergo, we need to cater to a whole slew of different eating choices.

The term "vegetarian" is a confuser because I think it's more being used to generalize because terms like 'ovo/lacto' and 'pescetarian' are just over some peoples' heads. Therefore, when we are told "I'm a vegetarian", we also have to ask "Do you eat fish?". I know it's a silly question, but we've been told "yes" a few times to make the question a valid one.

And, when it comes to vegans, we also have to follow up with "Do you eat honey?" or, "Do you eat things with yeast?" because there seems to be a debate within this camp over those two ingredients.

One thing we discovered with Indian food was that pilau rice is actually made with milk. So while Indian food seems to be a good choice of food to a vegan, we also have to instruct them not to make the rice with milk.

Liz, almost all of our vegetarians would eat a cheese omlet, so I can understand the mistake of you being offered one. Again, I think it's a case of people just not understanding the term because "vegetarian" has been mistakenly used as such a general all-encompassing term.

But...and here's where I headscratch about 'vegetarianism'...if the whole thing for some is a moral issue, as Suzanne mentions not eating 'anything with a face', then I can grasp why people would consume cheese, butter, any milk origin, because it's a by-product and not a real animal. The cow gives its milk to its calf, so surely this is okay for humans. It's the egg bit that has me baffled. And for the times I've asked, no one has really been able to give me a good answer, other than they don't see eggs as being animals (the unfertilized ones). Yet, I do think eggs can be fertile and sold as regular eggs, especially in this country with free ranging. I recall being in the US and buying eggs from a supermarket, getting them home and finding a VERY early stage undeveloped embryo.

A pub here in town does its best to accommodate vegetarians by offering a vegetarian dish. It has everything on their menu that does not contain meat: peas, salad, nan bread, garlic bread, chips, rice and corn. ROFL!

...just my random thoughts  ;D
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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2004, 10:28:14 AM »

Liz, almost all of our vegetarians would eat a cheese omlet, so I can understand the mistake of you being offered one. Again, I think it's a case of people just not understanding the term because "vegetarian" has been mistakenly used as such a general all-encompassing term.


Oh well I do eat cheese, as do the majority of vegetarians ... it's just that cheese omlette was often the only thing a vegetarian would be offered in a restaurant in years gone by .. thankfully times have changed since then .. or maybe not looking at the pub you mention!  ;) Happily our local does a great veggie sausages and mash with gravy among other things and a veggie roast on Sundays mmmmmmmmmm.

I think you're right too about the confusion caused by saying "vegetarian" when it means different things to different people. Personally although I eat fish, if I say I am vegetarian I wouldn't expect to be offered fish. Of course you could be like my parents who became vegetarian about 10 years ago but recently started eating meat again. Now my dad says the animal he is eating was vegetarian so that makes him a vegetarian  ;D


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2004, 03:53:24 PM »
Now my dad says the animal he is eating was vegetarian so that makes him a vegetarian  ;D

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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2004, 04:24:40 PM »
So what about the people that only eat chicken?  ;)  Sort of a serious question...not looking for a label for myself, but I don't eat red meat at all - so I was curious.

I have thought about going vegetarian - I love the food and I don't eat much meat as it is...and some of the vegan recipes I have found and tried were FAB!  The only problem right now is with our hike.  I can't really do vegetarian and hike over 2,000 miles. I just can't stomach THAT much peanut butter!  ;D
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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2004, 05:31:03 PM »
You're a "semi"  ;D
I ran across a very good .pdf that explains a lot.
Click this link to download it.
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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2004, 05:56:52 PM »
You're a "semi"  ;D
I ran across a very good .pdf that explains a lot.
Click this link to download it.

I normally tell people I am a carnivore when asked if I am a vegetarian or not....but I always felt that wasn't quite right - as I don't eat red meat (as a rule).

I could do the Pesco choice- but I do like chicken.  Might have a go after our hike.  :)
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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2004, 07:37:04 PM »
I was just wondering how many other people have moved to a plant-based diet and are finding it hard to communicate that to others.

My vegetarian friends who don't eat dairy say the easiest way to avoid it and not feel that they've put out people who offer food or cook for them is to say they have a dairy allergy.  Granted, they don't like fibbing, but it's easier than having to spend an evening explaining what they won't eat and why.  It also makes people a little less suspicious if you ask to read the labels on pre-packaged foods.  I don't know why, but people seem to have less of a problem if they think it's a medical reason and not a personal choice.


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Re: Are there any vegans here?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2004, 09:25:02 AM »
Excellent point, FunGirl.
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