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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2018, 02:29:34 PM »
Oh horsefeathers KF.

In this country we allow companies - companies who benefit from society's education system, roads, security, infrastructure, healthcare, etc, etc, etc - to pay wages so low that many, many working families cannot afford high care costs.

The taxpayer is not supporting "welfare queens", but companies who dodge their tax burden and ship their profits off to some Panamanian laundering scheme.

Touche.  I get your side.

Definitely not trying to bash those struggling!   :)


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2018, 02:54:00 PM »
I'm riled now!! Riled!!

Actually, I ate a half jumbo bag of M&Ms a while ago and was riled. Right at this moment, I couldn't rile myself to get up if the fire alarm went off.
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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2018, 03:04:13 PM »
I'm riled now!! Riled!!

Actually, I ate a half jumbo bag of M&Ms a while ago and was riled. Right at this moment, I couldn't rile myself to get up if the fire alarm went off.

Love the use of horsefeathers by the way!


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2018, 03:06:28 PM »
Damn straight SOS. 

There may be a few exploiting the system, but the vast majority of people on benefits are working.


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2018, 04:34:43 PM »

I'll be interested to see how the changes to Universal Benefits (or whatever it's called) trickles down.  I'm on some "mommy boards" and the way people work the system truly amazed me.  And it's a reflection of the UK and how kind it is

Not really. The new welfare system is based on ideas by the long standing (real Labour) MP Frank Fields, to stamp out child poverty. He was ("New" Labour) Blair's Minister of Welfare Reform and presented this new welfare state idea to Blair. But Blair preferred Brown's "Tax Credit benefit" idea and called them "a vote winner". Frank Field called Blair/Brown's Tax Credit benefits a "poverty trap" and resigned his ministerial post but remained on the Labour's back benches.

About five years after that new welfare payment called Tax Credits came in, the UK's annual welfare bill, for the first time ever, was more than the governmnent took in income tax, the UKs gold reseves were sold and the coffers were empty. The Tax Credit benefit bill alone is billions every year.

The Labour government started looking at changes to cut the welfare bill. They brought in medicals for those who claim they are sick and/or disabled for benefits and appointed an outside firm called ATOS for these medicals. I read on one of the welfare forums that they then started to look at Frank Field's welfare reform ideas and ran a trial.

New Labour lost the election and the next government and govermments' after that (Conservatives and Liberals) ran with the real Labour Frank Field's welfare ideas to stamp out child poverty and this is the new system. Universal Credit is just part of these welfare reforms.

Another novel idea under the welfare reforns is that younger people who marry pensioners on another low income benefit that was created called Pension Credit, will no longer be able to get those benefits too and will instead have to work to keep their pensioner spouse. It's also starting to look like that this new benefit will be removed too, along with the short lived "Tax Credits" benefit that is ending

All these welfare reforms took a while as it needed new laws. Frank Field helped with this but said he had no intention of leaving (the real) Labour even though he was helping the Conservatives and the Liberals change the welfare state to his ideas.

All the MPs for all parties, then voted and decided to cap the UK's ever growing annual welfare bill. New governments coming in will be the ones to decide which benefits they will cut or end, to stick to that cap.


Under the welfare reforms, the income based benefits are going to be based on minimum earnings instead of hours worked.
 e.g. Parents with one teenage child can claim Child Tax Credit to help keep their child if their joint earnings are below the poverty cap for one child of about 26k, as there is no requirement for them to earn any money or to earn more money, nor to work a full week, nor to work every week.   Whereas the replacement benefit Universal Credit, has a minimum income requirements for the parents and in this case, both parents would be expected to work at least 35 hours per week, every week and earn at least the minimum hourly wage (£7.83 x 70) x 52 = £28,501). Their MIR is £274.05 per week, per parent.
Both parents would then be keeping their own child instead of asking the welfare state to do that as they now earn more than the poverty cap for one child.

If one or both parent claimants wants to be self employed, their benefit claim will be based on either their wage or their own MIR, whicher is the highest. Whereas under the old Tax Credits system, their benefit claim would be based on what they earn from SE, even if that was just say about £30 a week for the 16/24/30 hours a week they claimed to be working and they had been doing SE for years and not increased their wage.

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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2018, 05:14:42 PM »
Frank Field:

In May 2008, he said that Margaret Thatcher "is certainly a hero" and that "I still see Mrs T from time to time – I always call her 'Mrs T', when I talk to her.
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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2018, 05:23:05 PM »


There may be a few exploiting the system, but the vast majority of people on benefits are working.

This is exactly why the real Labour were against the open door immigration for migrant familes that "New Labour" created between 1998-2010. They said that this would depress wages as there is then an oversupply of workers, which then causes a overburden to the welfare state, etc. That policy hit their own home Labour voters as these tend to be the low skilled.

The Labour party have always said "British jobs for British workers. A fair days pay for a fair days pay." and to keep to that "fair days pay", they were anti the open door immigration for migrant families of "New" Labour (who didn't tell their voters they were going to do this before they voted).
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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2018, 06:55:58 PM »
I can safely say (after spending today locked away in negotiations with one of the worlds largest retailers) that I see why wages are so low.  The pressure from the big guys is unreal.  We were chastised for paying people too much.  They make £9.50 an hour.  Apparently we should be paying minimum wage only.   ::)


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2018, 09:21:57 PM »
You should have told me, I would have popped over to help. 


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2018, 07:54:28 AM »
There is no such thing as an "open door immigration policy".

That is a fabricated term.
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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2018, 04:26:45 PM »
When I left Florida, I moved to Colorado for a few years.  Which I LOVED. 

Now that I've been in the UK for about 8 years, I REALLY REALLY REALLY miss Florida.  We have bugs in the UK.  We just don't have screens to keep them out.  And as we have to have the windows open to get air, we just get bit.  <sigh>

I don't miss the humidity.  But I do miss the sun.  And just being able to spend more time outdoors.  I don't love hot - at all.  My ideal maximum temperature is 24C or 80F.  We are starting to seriously consider moving to the USA to get a better work/life balance and to have a more enjoyable life overall.  Where we live, everything closes at 5:30pm at the latest.  It's tough.

Ohh, very jealous!! I've always dreamed of spending some time in Colorado, it just looks so beautiful.

I suppose it's not so much lack of bugs I was thinking of in the UK, but lack of ones that really scare me! Some of these tropical MFers are freaky-deaky.

I can't blame you for missing some of the convenience of home though, we live 5 minutes drive from a 24 hour Walmart and I think we'll both miss being able to pick up diapers or Cheezits or whatever at 2am if we feel like it haha.
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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2018, 05:05:31 PM »
I can't blame you for missing some of the convenience of home though, we live 5 minutes drive from a 24 hour Walmart and I think we'll both miss being able to pick up diapers or Cheezits or whatever at 2am if we feel like it haha.

It depends where you are. We live in a fairly small town and the Asda is open 24 hours. I know it's not the same as Walmart but at least it's somewhere to shop in the middle of the night should the urge arise!  :)


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2018, 05:10:38 PM »
It depends where you are. We live in a fairly small town and the Asda is open 24 hours. I know it's not the same as Walmart but at least it's somewhere to shop in the middle of the night should the urge arise!  :)

It’s a decent drive to any 24 hour stores for me.   :\\\'(


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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2018, 06:45:30 PM »
It depends where you are. We live in a fairly small town and the Asda is open 24 hours. I know it's not the same as Walmart but at least it's somewhere to shop in the middle of the night should the urge arise!  :)

Ohh, I had no idea there were 24 hour Asdas! I don't think we'll be that close to one though, when we move back we'll be in Hertfordshire and our closest Asda is in Hemel Hempstead but I don't think it's 24 hour. Still good to know that I can find one if I'm willing to drive far enough  ;)
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Re: Question about Spouse Visa and Council Houses
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2018, 04:18:33 PM »
Hi everyone!

Thought I read in someone else's post about keeping the same post going for one individual's application so that anything relevant can be referred back to, correct me if I'm wrong and I will happily start a new post.

The time has come, we are finally (almost) ready to submit my visa application!! I have filled out the online application form and VAF4a Appendix 2 and am now working on making sure I have all the supporting documents together before I schedule a biometrics appt as apparently everything has to be sent in within 5 days after that. Can anyone give me some guidance on making sure I will have everything I need? I have been referring to this guide: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/270197/sup-docs-settlement.pdf
and Appendix FM-SE (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-fm-se-family-members-specified-evidence) to try and compile my list, but they're not the most straightforward things I've ever read--especially the Appendix.

For background, my husband returned to the UK a month ago and started a job that meets the minimum financial requirement, and kept his job in the US (which met the minimum too) up until about a week before starting the new one in the UK. So, my understanding is that we can submit the last 12 months of his US payslips + the contract stating his salary in the new job to cover the financial requirement. My son, our dog, and I are still in the US until we hear back about my application.

Here is the basic list of documents I have put together:
  • Completed application form
  • Completed VAF4a Appendix 2
  • One passport photo of me
  • My current passport
  • My previous passport--do I need to send the document itself, or just a full copy?
  • Accomodation details: My husband is living with his parents in their council house (as previously discussed) and has notified the council that he is there/what his wages are so he is an official resident in the house. Is a tenancy agreement enough? Do we need a letter from the council and/or his parents saying it's ok for me to live there too?
  • Hubby's current employment contract stating salary, start date, terms, etc (for the UK job)--Do we need a letter from his employer in addition to this?
  • Hubby's last 12 months of electronic payslips from US job (his pay was calculated hourly, so I'm assuming is considered variable, hence the 12 months)
  • Letter from US employer verifying authenticity of electronic payslips
  • Electronic bank statements showing direct deposits from US job for last 12 months--when the guidance states (per par 1.A.V.2.) that electronic bank statements must "either accompanied by a letter from the bank on its headed stationery confirming that the documents are authentic or which bear the official stamp of the issuing bank on every page," does this just mean showing the bank's logo on every page or do I need to get a letter for these as well?
  • Copy of hubby's passport photo page -- does this need to be notarised? I saw that mentioned in another post but can't actually find any official guidance stating it should be...
  • Letter from hubby explaining our relationship
  • Copies of both our birth certificates
  • Copy of our marriage certificate
  • Copy of our son's birth certificate
  • A few photos of us throughout the years
  • Record of recent FB messages/calls (this is our primary way of keeping in contact atm)

Is there a better list somewhere that I haven't found? One more specific to spousal visas? Just want to make sure I have everything correct before I book biometrics, in case I need to send off for something else we don't have yet. Thank you guys!!
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