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Lovely people, I need some serious help PLEASE.
Let me start out by saying I just read all 31 pages of another topic regarding Gold Settlement Premium Service (detailing the torment of that process for FLgator and Dani)

Here's my situation.
I am an American citizen, my husband is a British citizen, we were married in New York City in 2011 and lived in USA until Aug 2017 when we left for London, UK.

Since 2011 we got my husband's visa -> greencard -> US citizenship with zero problems and did it all on our own. It was pretty straightforward and all went smoothly. When we left for London in Aug 2017 we also moved our two Siberian Huskies with us, which was a tedious process we navigated without problems also. So we're not complete idiots ;)

NOW, I need to start my path to settlement, and holy crap I'm having a nervous breakdown. We are beyond frustrated and already have a major screw up and are now deep in the weeds and desperately need advice.

Backstory:
I will try to keep this short but sometimes details are important.
We left the USA in Aug 2017 and arrived at Heathrow (doggies as well). I did not have any issues at border control (I now realize that is surprising considering I told them I was moving there with my British citizen husband but I did not have a settlement visa). I kept my job with my employer in USA as I can work remotely from anywhere on the computer.

Anyhow, about two weeks after we arrived in London we:
1) went to Greece for 2 weeks (a little treat after the stress of moving). We went and came back into the UK no problem. My passport with stamped with 6 month visitor visa.
2) We then left again to USA in November to visit my family for Thanksgiving - again had no issues leaving or coming back into UK. My passport was again stamped with a 6 month visitor visa upon arrival into the UK.
3) Then we left again March 5th for Tenerife for a 4 day long weekend and when coming back into Stansted airport, the FIASCO began.

The border control agent did not want to grant me entry as a visitor because I have a British husband living in the UK, and therefore he did not want to grant me entry back into the UK based on the suspicion that I would not return to the US. I explained that I was due to return to the US on April 23, 2018 and showed him proof of emails and flight itinerary from my employer in the US. He separated me and my husband and retained me in a holding area while he went to consult with a supervisor. The decision was made that I would be allowed to enter the UK with 6 months leave to enter again, under the strict condition that I immediately go to the Home Office and apply for a visa as a married partner of a British citizen. I was told my passport was stamped with a stamp indicating this information, and if I did not comply by immediately going to the Home Office and acquiring the visa I would not be allowed back into the UK after my travels to the US for work. The border control agent hand-wrote “SRR 74 686” on my passport stamp. I was not told what this means. The stamp also includes “immigration officer 6459.” I was given a notice from the border control agent, signed by agent “BF08999” (or maybe it is BF08ggg, the writing is not clear) stating I was held.

Of course, I wanted to comply with the border control instructions, which I believed to be true and correct coming from a border control agent, a person of authority in a government entity. He had a very forceful and direct demeanor and I felt I absolutely needed to follow his orders. I booked the next available appointment at the Home Office and paid £1,583 for premium processing + £500 for health surcharge to ensure I was in compliance, and would have my visa before my travel to the US on April 23.

We booked the next available appointment on April 20 (phew! just 3 days before I had to travel) at the Croydon Home Office. We completed the FLR(M) application and collected all the supporting evidence. We fully expected the visa to be granted as we were following the strict orders of the border agent.

We had a 9am appointment at the Croydon Home Office/premium service center and waited until 4:30pm to be told our application was denied. The reason it was denied is because I am a visitor, per the stamp in my passport granting 6 months leave to enter. However, that border control agent specifically stated I am NOT considered a visitor as the spouse of a settled person and instructed me to do exactly what I did – visit the Home Office to submit visa application.

The Home Office said the border agent “ill-advised” me and that I need to make my application from outside the UK, despite what I was strictly told when entering the country. My visa denial letter says I qualified for the visa on ALL other points – evidence of financial support, accommodation, cohabitation, etc. Nevertheless, the Home Office said they were obliged to deny my visa because I was in the UK – even though I was told to make my application from within the UK by border control. Further, the Home Office said the border control agent should not have held me at the border as I did not breach any entry laws. Also, we were told the border control agent neglected to make notes and the Home Office therefore could not review the situation. The Home Office staff admitted “this happens all the time” and said the instructions for applying from within vs. outside of the UK on the gov.uk website are “very confusing.” Even the Home Office staff could not explain to me what course of action I needed to take next except "go to the Home Office in USA." (Is that British Consulate who will not speak to the public!?) The manager stated she “is not an expert” and was not willing to consider (nor do I think she truly understood) the circumstances of our situation. Everyone we have come into contact with at border control and Home Office has been inadequately knowledgeable.

Adding yet more insult to the situation, the Home Office refused to refund the £1,583 application fee we paid. We were told it’s just too bad. After 7 hours at the Home Office, we were absolutely appalled and left in tears and disbelief.

We had thought as long as I did not overstay 6 months visitor visa I could come and go as many times as I wanted without issue...and we would eventually do the settlement visa later in the year after our wedding (see below). Obviously not the case since the border control agent decided to spin us into this web of confusion.

So I had to leave the UK 3 days after this complete fail on my work trip and come back to USA for two weeks. Those two weeks have come and gone and I am now in NYC in an AirBnB for the past 5 days trying to figure out WHAT TO DO.

I have a return flight back to UK (courtesy of my boss from my work trip) on May 19. I want to make that flight but I think it's hopeless at this point.

I went to VSF Global here in NYC (which is in the same building as the British Consulate but you absolutely can not talk to anyone in the British Consulate). I just showed up in person at VSF Global. A very nice girl spoke with me and tried to sell me the $1700 Settlement Premium Gold Package. I am hesitant to listen to anyone at this point because even the girl I spoke with there did not seem sure of her answers when I asked whether I would be able to return to the UK while my visa was being decided, since one of the perks of this uber-expensive package is to keep your passport. I see FLgator had success with this, but I'm scared to attempt it. I left VSF Global having made no decision on what to do next. I cried on the sidewalk in front of the building like a huge loser. I went back into the building knowing the British Consulate was there also and convinced the nice security guard to call the British Consulate emergency line from the lobby. They answered and hung up on me as soon as I mentioned I have visa questions. The security guard called back, they hung up again. I left in tears again.

We have contacted a lawyer in UK who is the most knowledgeable person to date and responds very quickly and attempts to be very helfpul but even he seems perplexed by the VFS Global website & package shenanigans. We are going to pay him £600 to help us sort this out, submit application, and represent us should anything royally *bleep* up again. Original fee was £1100 but he was nice enough to reduce it considering the money we've already spent and lost.

Can someone please give me advice on my next best course of action??? I need to get back to UK as soon as possible, because...

Here is the kicker - my husband and I never had a wedding (we got married at NYC courthouse in 2011) so we decided it would be nice to have a wedding in UK with his family, and my family is flying over. THIS HAS ALL BEEN BOOKED ALREADY for Sept 10 and we've spent just about every penny we have on the wedding, not to mention my family who have bought flights also. AND I am having my wedding dress MADE by a dressmaker, for which I have paid a 50% deposit and NEED to get back to UK beginning of June because I need to have fittings so she can start to make the dress...otherwise I wont have the dress in time for the wedding. She is already pressed for time. First world problems, I know. But wedding plans + dress cost us £25K and I'm in a panic all will be ruined. Literally spent our savings on it, and now we are trying to figure out how to pay the visa application fee again + health surcharge + lawyer + possibly another flight + keeping me here in NYC...Ugh!

And even worse, last week my husbands stepfather who we are very close to had a stroke, he is in a coma, it has been decided not to resuscitate. If he does wake up he will not walk/talk/eat/anything on his own because his brain stem is badly damaged, and will need to be in a home with 24/7 care. It's so awful, there aren't words. I am worried he will pass away (could be any day, God only knows) and I won't be able to go back for his funeral.

I am stuck in USA for however long priority processing takes, correct???
Since Gold Settlement Premium Package seems to take LONGER, that seems like a dumb option to pursue.

Are there any options I'm not thinking of?

What do I do? Help :(

« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 10:27:33 PM by seeskaper »


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Re: Holy Hell I Need Help! Nervous Breakdown in NYC! Settlement Visa
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2018, 10:39:22 PM »
Your best option to get back to the UK is to apply for a spouse visa, using the regular priority service to speed things up. You should make it in time for the wedding but you won't make the June fitting unfortulately.

Don't attempt to visit the UK. There is almost no chance at all that you would be allowed to enter.
 
 


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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2018, 10:44:21 PM »
Just wanted to also say -

I was told at VSF Global that if you buy the Gold Settlement $1700 Package you can keep your passport. Oh wonderful, I thought. But then she was not entirely sure I could travel to UK while my visa was being decided...but then also proceeded to say that if I did travel to UK while my visa was being decided and it was approved a family/friend could pick it up and mail it to me in UK and then I would just need to leave the UK (pop over to France or wherever) and then re-enter the UK so I would be in the UK on the new visa.

Whether any of that is 100% true, I don't know. But I saw the point about not being able to have it mailed over come up on another thread with people wondering how that is possible since you need to enter the UK with the new visa - and the answer according to the girl I spoke to at VSF Global was you go to a neighboring country and re-enter on the new visa.

Again, that could all be bullcrap though. Heh.


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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2018, 10:48:38 PM »
You should make it in time for the wedding but you won't make the June fitting unfortulately.

Don't attempt to visit the UK. There is almost no chance at all that you would be allowed to enter.

I have to make the fitting. I paid £7K for this darn dress. I have to find a way.

Is there any definitive answer if you attempt to visit, it negatively affects your open application?

In other words, if I get on my flight on May 19, what is the worst that can happen?

I'm not let in and I have to come back to USA?

Do I try that in desperation?


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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2018, 10:50:40 PM »
I have to make the fitting. I paid £7K for this darn dress. I have to find a way.


Why don't you have the dress shipped to you in the US and have the fitting done there?


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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2018, 10:53:38 PM »
She is making it from scratch from material. It's not already made and just needs fitted/tweaked. It doesn't exist yet. I am the pattern/model, she needs to fit it to me.


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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2018, 11:01:06 PM »
She is making it from scratch from material. It's not already made and just needs fitted/tweaked. It doesn't exist yet. I am the pattern/model, she needs to fit it to me.

She can't work from your measurements?


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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2018, 11:06:58 PM »
She took my measurements but I'm supposed to have a "toile fitting" where she basically creates the dress on me with muslin...I don't know the exact process, just that I need to be there.  :\\\'(



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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2018, 11:09:45 PM »
She took my measurements but I'm supposed to have a "toile fitting" where she basically creates the dress on me with muslin...I don't know the exact process, just that I need to be there.  :\\\'(

Ah, I see. What about flying her out to you?


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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2018, 11:11:21 PM »
Maybe I should just go on the May 19 flight...if I don't get in, at least I tried?
If I get in, I can go to my dress fitting and see my husband's stepfather in hospital.

Or is there more to it than just turning me away? Do I have some big black mark on my record for all eternity?

I don't really understand why I can't just go in as a visitor again...if I buy a return flight before I go? Why am I now any different than anyone else just going to visit the UK or any different than how I used to visit the UK?
If I have a letter/evidence from the lawyer stating I started the visa process (should I get questioned) would that not show them intent to return to USA?



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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2018, 11:18:54 PM »

I don't really understand why I can't just go in as a visitor again...if I buy a return flight before I go? Why am I now any different than anyone else just going to visit the UK or any different than how I used to visit the UK?
If I have a letter/evidence from the lawyer stating I started the visa process (should I get questioned) would that not show them intent to return to USA?

Because you have tried to live in the UK through frequent and successive visits. This is not permitted.
Then you applied to remain in the UK thereby corroborating that you want to remain in the UK. The application was unsuccessful but now you show up at the border, again without a visa....? They have no reason to believe that you will leave again and every reason to believe that you will stay illegally.
That is the way they think.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2018, 11:23:28 PM »
I know that you have not intentionally done anything wrong but do you mind me asking, when you moved over, did you not think that you would need a visa (other than a visitor visa) to live in the UK?

Also, you should be aware that working remotely is not permitted on a visitor visa.


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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2018, 11:38:40 PM »
I knew I would need a path to permanently live there...but did not fully figure out what I needed to do by the time we left USA and all our efforts went into making sure our dogs moved without being quarantined. Plus I knew I would be back for work so we thought we had time to figure it out as long as I didn’t over stay 6 months at a time...same as my husband came back and forth multiple times to
USA before we were married. Also I saw on the gov.uk website you can apply from without or within the UK. I didn’t read enough fine print or appendixes to know the within option didn’t apply to me. The UK to USA process was straightforward...the reverse is confusing because honestly the gov.uk website is crap at stating the important information clearly  where you need to see it (they love the word “might” apply to you...which also means might not and you fall down a rabbit hole trying to find what applies to you...terminology is not consistent, etc)....Plus, when the border agent told me to go to Home Office and do the application “or else” I believed him entirely as I naturally thought he knew WTH he was talking about.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2018, 12:28:56 AM »
As larrabee mentioned, the best course of action for you is to not enter the UK again until you have your spouse visa. You do not want to give the Home Office any more reasons to flag you and possibly deny your settlement application due to repeated misuse of the visitor visa.

If you absolutely need to be fitted for your dress in person, how about flying to another EU country and offering to pay the airfare of the dressmaker to meet you there? There are so many budget airlines to choose from.







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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2018, 12:36:51 AM »
I was told at VSF Global that if you buy the Gold Settlement $1700 Package you can keep your passport. Oh wonderful, I thought. But then she was not entirely sure I could travel to UK while my visa was being decided...

You can keep your passport to travel anywhere else in the world EXCEPT the UK while your settlement application is being processed.



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