Citizenship Application: NDRS + JCAP vs. NCS

I went with full disclosure of everything we could remember between the two of us and specifically mentioned that it was to the best of *our recollection and after a great deal of thought. I think that's the point, rather than actually having something in writing.

* I was responsible for some parking tickets on his car.

Sounds reasonable, especially since record doesn't seem to show as much as I know!  Thanks, larrabee!

I’m kind of in the same situation with the tickets, first one was back in 1998 and Florida won’t provide any more details. I’m going to disclose, but I did see where they recently added the number of ‘3’ in the FPN part of the good character guidance. Does that mean if more than 3 they can refuse you?! Did you end up ordering the additional record? Thanks!

I’m kind of in the same situation with the tickets, first one was back in 1998 and Florida won’t provide any more details. I’m going to disclose, but I did see where they recently added the number of ‘3’ in the FPN part of the good character guidance. Does that mean if more than 3 they can refuse you?! Did you end up ordering the additional record? Thanks!

I haven't applied yet, as I'm still sorting out my referees and deciding which local authority I'll apply through.  But when I do, I intend to make a statement along the lines of, "I have held an Arkansas driver's license since 1990, and since that time, I have received a few speeding tickets.  I have contacted the State of Arkansas to obtain the details of my driving history, and the only one they have record of is a minor speeding offence in 2005.  In addition to that one, I know I reveived a speeding fine in the summer of 1991, and maybe another around1996 or '97.  The State of Arkansas does not have records going back that far, and I do not recall any further details."

I am fairly certain that the "3" is only concerned with recent ones that would all still be in your active history (like, how it's retained and reported to insurance companies for three years).  At least, I hope so!

I am fairly certain that the "3" is only concerned with recent ones that would all still be in your active history (like, how it's retained and reported to insurance companies for three years).  At least, I hope so!

I agree. 

I’m kind of in the same situation with the tickets, first one was back in 1998 and Florida won’t provide any more details. I’m going to disclose, but I did see where they recently added the number of ‘3’ in the FPN part of the good character guidance. Does that mean if more than 3 they can refuse you?! Did you end up ordering the additional record? Thanks!

I am fairly certain that the "3" is only concerned with recent ones that would all still be in your active history (like, how it's retained and reported to insurance companies for three years).  At least, I hope so!

My phone call was just returned from the nice people at Haverfordwest, and I have more information.  Regarding the service options, my suspicion was correct: the website is out of date, and they do not offer the NCS with JCAP any longer.  However, the woman (let's call her Sue) seemed to think that, much like with our visa applications, if you know what documents you need to include, etc., this is pretty straightforward, and there's no reason to opt for the more expensive NCS.  But she did stress that I should book NDRS before I submit my application, of course.

I also asked Sue about my driving record, and explained that my most recent speeding fine was 2005, and that is also the only one that appears on my history because anything prior to that had fallen off. She essentially said to just disclose what I know so I don't appear to be hiding anything, but she thinks they're mostly concerned with the last 5 years in making the Good Character determination.  So there's that.

Thanks for the update! 

Now that I am looking at how the question is asked on the online application, I don't know which option to tick with regard to historic speeding fines.  These are the options:

A criminal conviction
A penalty for a driving offence, for example disqualification for speeding or no motor insurance
An arrest or charge for which you are currently on, or awaiting trial
A caution, warning, reprimand or other penalty
A civil court judgment against you, for example for non payment of debt, bankruptcy proceedings or anti-social behaviour
A civil penalty issued under UK immigration law
No, I have never had any of these

I have never been disqualified.  Merely had a couple of fines (and only have firm details from the most recent one in 2005).  So do I pick the driving offence one, or do I pick the "caution, warning, reprimand, or other penalty" one, since I was only fined, not disqualified?

Update:

I ticked the speeding offence one, and the next page asked:

Your driving offence
What was your driving offence? (Required)

• Disqualification for speeding
• No insurance
• Something else

Give more detail, for example, the fine or points on your licence


Date of the penalty (day, month and year) (Required)

Which country was the offence in?

Now that I am looking at how the question is asked on the online application, I don't know which option to tick with regard to historic speeding fines.  These are the options:

A criminal conviction
A penalty for a driving offence, for example disqualification for speeding or no motor insurance
An arrest or charge for which you are currently on, or awaiting trial
A caution, warning, reprimand or other penalty
A civil court judgment against you, for example for non payment of debt, bankruptcy proceedings or anti-social behaviour
A civil penalty issued under UK immigration law
No, I have never had any of these

I have never been disqualified.  Merely had a couple of fines (and only have firm details from the most recent one in 2005).  So do I pick the driving offence one, or do I pick the "caution, warning, reprimand, or other penalty" one, since I was only fined, not disqualified?

I would probably go with the "penalty for a driving offence" You did get a penalty which was a fine and their example of disqualification is just that, an example.
You will explain in more detail elsewhere anyway. 

How would you answer the second question?

That's stupid because if you check no to the first question, you should bypass the next one, or there should be a N/A option.

I would probably do something like check "yes" and then when it gave me the option to write something, I would put "I meet all the requirements to become a citizen."

... or I would strongly consider doing the paper form! 

That's stupid because if you check no to the first question, you should bypass the next one, or there should be a N/A option.

I would probably do something like check "yes" and then when it gave me the option to write something, I would put "I meet all the requirements to become a citizen."

... or I would strongly consider doing the paper form! 

I have to do the online application to do NDRS, and nobody around me does NCS with JCAP anymore.  I feel like I don't really have a choice.  But, yeah.  I'll just tick "yes" and put something along the lines of "I meet the requirements." 

I have to do the online application to do NDRS, and nobody around me does NCS with JCAP anymore.  I feel like I don't really have a choice.  But, yeah.  I'll just tick "yes" and put something along the lines of "I meet the requirements." 

Totally jumping your post. In assuming you have submitted your application already. Did you include 3 years worth of payslips??

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but because we aren’t EU, we don’t need to give payslips. Passport is proof of residency.

But while I’m here, we talked about speeding tickets before. Two of them I took to court and they were dismissed. Do I still declare them?

Totally jumping your post. In assuming you have submitted your application already. Did you include 3 years worth of payslips??

I haven't applied yet, but I won't be providing any payslips... mostly because I'm retired and haven't worked in about a billion years.  Why would payslips be relevant?  I'm eligible on the basis of having been here as the spouse of a settled person for at least five years and holding indefinite leave to remain.