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Roommates
« on: June 18, 2018, 06:07:23 AM »
Okay, I’ve got to get some stuff off my chest. This is a long one so I’ll apologize now.

We’re coming up on three weeks wait on the spouse visa. I’m doing well with the wait, much better than I thought I would. What I am not doing well with are the arrangements with housing and work I made when I relocated back to Georgia last February. These arrangements were not meant to last this long, and I feel like I’m at the end of my rope with my work and the house I share.

I’m originally from Georgia, and I moved back after 8 years in Los Angeles. I wanted to be closer to family, and originally the plan was for my then boyfriend and I to get married and apply for the US spouse visa. Until we learned that the application decision turnaround was faster for a UK spouse visa. So late June of last year we decided after we married that we would apply for the UK spouse visa and I would relocate again. Not bothered me at all and I’m excited to get the chance to live in a different country.  ;D

Lately my issue has been my work and sharing a house with my best friend and her fiancé. I kept my job from Los Angeles and telecommute everyday. It’s a job I’ve held on to for far too long, and it’s officially done when I get my visa approved - even though my boss thinks I’m giving a two week notice  ::). They begged me to keep my position and work from the UK, but I repeatedly told them no and they finally took the hint. Although they still operate like I have no intentions of leaving soon.
When I told my best friend I was moving back home after 8 years, she told me I could come live with her in the house she rents. It seemed perfect. Who doesn’t dream of sharing a house with their best friend?

I arrive with my then boyfriend after a long drive across the country. Her then boyfriend is also staying here while the water is fixed in his house. Okay, that’s cool. Later found out he was staying because he didn’t like the idea of a new guy staying here as well. Totally understandable that he’s worried about a strange new man in his girlfriend’s house. My then boyfriend returns to the UK after five weeks of visiting here. By now my best friend is engaged. Her fiancé doesn’t go back to his place. He’s decided to sell his house. Best friend is visibly annoyed that she went from living alone to having two people live with her. She also tells people I asked if I could move in with her, when she plainly told me that I should come live with her. We butt heads on different things, but things do eventually settle.
She tells me she’s upset with her fiancé because he didn’t ask if he could move in - he just steadily started bringing more and more stuff over and never went back home. It’s clear though she’s not asking him to leave. His house sold last August. I made my peace with the fact that it wasn’t going to just be me and my best friend like I thought.

There’s been lots of stupid stuff that’s happened. I live like a quiet mouse, mostly keeping to the office area I work out of and the bedroom that is truly the one room of the house I get. I pay half the rent and don’t overuse utilities or shared goods like toilet paper and dish soap. I find myself vying for fridge and cupboard space. I get stuck constantly dog sitting for them. Her fiancé has this fun habit of having a poo, showering, then leaving said poo in the toilet for someone to find. Because of their part time work and odd schedules, they’re often home when I’m trying to work and they’re either being loud or letting their youngest pup bark. The list goes on.
Things really came to a head when an argument happens in March after I ask her for $230 she owes me for a concert ticket of mine her fiancé used almost a year before. She tells me she spoke to her mother and fiancé, and because I don’t pay utilities they think she doesn’t owe me. This is after three conversations we had where she told me she just needed a little time to come up with the money, and I said no problem I understand. If it wasn’t such a large amount, I would not have cared and been happy to gift the ticket. I also offered to help with utilities when I first arrived and was told not to worry. She’s brought up occasions when the water bill or electric bill was a little high, and once or twice I offered to chip in and was told not to worry. I eventually get $100 of the $230, and I’ve made peace with the fact that I won’t see the rest.

There’s been loads of other instances, but the point is I’ve been here for far too long. It’s been a year and four months, and I didn’t expect things to move so slowly. A large part of the hold up was my husband trying to sell the house he owned with his ex wife before we married. While a house didn’t stop us from moving forward, I didn’t want to get engaged and then married while he was still tied to someone else. She held up the house sale at every possible turn. From not answering phone calls, not turning up to sign paperwork when she said she would, not removing all of her belongings for months and months, not answering the phone when an offer came through, not turning up to sign paperwork to move the sale forward, not changing her ID’s to her maiden name and causing issues with how paperwork was executed. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But nevertheless the house eventually sold last December. Probably why the wait on the visa answer isn’t phasing me because it took a year to drag her through from start to finish with a house sale.

Ultimately the reason I’m posting this rant is because I’m wide awake after falling peacefully asleep because their youngest pup was barking outside my bedroom door. Day in and day out this dog is barking. Come to find out he’s outside my door because he’s peed on their bed and they’re both up cleaning up and changing bed sheets. This dog has one of those awful high-pitched barks. I feel sorry for him because he’s an anxious dog, and it’s sad to see him grow more anxious as they don’t put in the work to train him and help him ease his anxiety. But at the same time it was after 11pm and I was just falling into a nice sleep!  ::)

Because I’ve been here longer than I thought I would be, I find myself ready to blow up over all the little things between work and roommates. Just the other day I was putting in a ten hour work day, and they spent five hours of that in their room. Which is on the other side of the office I work in. The walls are not thick. I ended up leaving my desk to sit outside just to have some quiet. The little annoyances feel far bigger than they should because I’ve put up with them for too long.
And, I will point out, while I am here longer than I thought I would be and despite the mild discord amongst us, they have not once made me feel like they’re dying to have me gone. We have had a few talks on when I would leave so they would know when they needed to come up with the amount of rent that I pay. Basically the same situation as work begging me to keep the job - they want to keep me when they know they can’t.  8)

So, in summation, roommates really suck sometimes, and I cannot wait to have my flat with my husband and no one else. I’ve been stuck doing the roommate setup since 2010 (not the same roommates all 8 years, but not much better), and I feel like I’ve served my sentence and earned my blissful existence with my spouse. I gladly welcome the arguments over who is shutting off the light before bed, cooking and cleaning together and also taking turns on these chores, navigating the logistics of airing racks in a small flat, and whatever other challenges come up. It’s got to be a lot better than knowing intimate details of my best friend’s fiancé’s poo smell, consistency, and color.  ::)
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 06:18:25 AM »
I hope your result comes super fast Kay, sounds like you needed to be out of that situation yesterday!  :)


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Re: Roommates
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 11:13:44 AM »
Is there anybody else you can stay with for the last few weeks?  If your application processing is two weeks in, you're only looking at, what? Two more months?  This was your best friend, and I would hate to see you not be friends anymore when you leave for the UK.  If you can change your living situation, it would take a lot of pressure off of your friendship.

Also, I am really worried about her relationship with her fiance... does she really want to marry him, or is she just not saying no?  Probably not a conversation you should have with her right now, given all the tension.  But if you were in a different living situation, it sounds like she could use a proper best friend to talk about important things with again.  :(
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 12:56:30 PM »
It’s very normal to feel this way but at least you have your move to look forward to. Just hang in there!

When we were applying for my visa my mom was living with us to help take care of my son. Love her but i will never ever live with her again! I was reminded why i moved out of home as soon as i could afford to be on my own.

By the way what kind of work do you do and why wouldn’t you continue with your company after you move? I’m desperately trying to find telecommuting work.


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Re: Roommates
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2018, 01:44:23 PM »
I hope your result comes super fast Kay, sounds like you needed to be out of that situation yesterday!  :)

Thank you! Yes, need out of here ASAP!  ;D



Is there anybody else you can stay with for the last few weeks?  If your application processing is two weeks in, you're only looking at, what? Two more months?  This was your best friend, and I would hate to see you not be friends anymore when you leave for the UK.  If you can change your living situation, it would take a lot of pressure off of your friendship.

Also, I am really worried about her relationship with her fiance... does she really want to marry him, or is she just not saying no?  Probably not a conversation you should have with her right now, given all the tension.  But if you were in a different living situation, it sounds like she could use a proper best friend to talk about important things with again.  :(

We applied for priority so I hope it’s not another two months before an answer arrives.  :-\\\\ The biggest issue is that I work from home and it’s moving somewhere where I can have internet and peace. My dad’s house is chaotic because his longtime partner is there, and she does not pick up on the body language that says I don’t want to talk right now. My sister has been home to visit, stayed with them, and my dad’s partner followed her throughout the house as she was getting ready to leave. Actually stood outside the bathroom door still carrying on.
My paternal grandmother has the space, but no internet at all.
My maternal grandmother and grandfather would be the logical choice because they have the internet and a spare room. I just worry trying to move out is wasted effort since a decision should reasonably arrive in the next few weeks. Hopefully it does anyway!

And that is a conversation I’ve had with her before. She does seem to go through phases when she seems like she’s heading for a split, then they’ll have a big fight and then things will sail on the calm again. Her biggest issue was they had talked about not moving in together until they married. But it doesn’t look good considering she made the comment the other day that if he passed or they divorced, she wouldn’t live with another person again.  ::)


It’s very normal to feel this way but at least you have your move to look forward to. Just hang in there!

When we were applying for my visa my mom was living with us to help take care of my son. Love her but i will never ever live with her again! I was reminded why i moved out of home as soon as i could afford to be on my own.

By the way what kind of work do you do and why wouldn’t you continue with your company after you move? I’m desperately trying to find telecommuting work.


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I currently work in the title insurance industry. It mostly involves researching county records to compile information and issue paper products that our clients use to help facilitate foreclosures for lenders. That oversimplifies it a bit because a lot goes into it, but that’s the gist of it. I don’t want to continue working with the company because of my supervisor. She is a very high strung and anxious person that should not be in a leader’s role. I tell people it’s like you’re swimming in a pool, treading water in the deep end, and someone who can’t swim well panics, grabs you, and pulls you under because they’re so desperately trying to keep their head above. That’s my boss. She overreacts to everything, and she says things out loud that bosses should not say. Biggest example: “I deserve this time off because no one works harder than me”.  ::)
They depend on me very heavily, and even though I told them last October about our plans and how I would one day relocate to the UK, they have not made serious efforts to hire and train people to make that transition smooth for them. They continue to take on big volumes of work without hiring additional staff. I’m constantly badgered to work overtime, and I usually take it even if I had plans for after work because it makes the following day a little easier to deal with until I’m begged again to stay late. And personally, I rather have s reason to leave the house everyday. I loved working from home at first, but I don’t see myself doing it again unless it benefits me - like my husband and I start having children and I can do my job from home while I’m caring for them.
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2018, 05:07:59 PM »
Oh Kay!  Hugs all around.

You’ll be here soon.  You can do it!  The light is at the end of the tunnel!

I can’t believe you pay HALF the rent when there are three of you there.  And that she had the nerve to bring up utilities.   ::)

I just hope you are still able to be friends on some level after you leave.   :)


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Re: Roommates
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2018, 03:38:41 AM »
Oh Kay!  Hugs all around.

You’ll be here soon.  You can do it!  The light is at the end of the tunnel!

I can’t believe you pay HALF the rent when there are three of you there.  And that she had the nerve to bring up utilities.   ::)

I just hope you are still able to be friends on some level after you leave.   :)

Thank you  :) I can’t wait to be out. I know we’ll still be friends. She and I are like family, and despite how bad it has been at times I don’t really hold any ill will against her. She’ll always be like my sister. I’ll just be very happy to leave and put all of this behind me. I can’t wait to just live with my husband.  ;D

And I can confidently say - don’t ever live with your best friend. It probably won’t be as awesome as you picture.  ::)
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2018, 08:57:58 AM »
And I can confidently say - don’t ever live with your best friend. It probably won’t be as awesome as you picture.  ::)

I lived with one of my BFF's for years.  And it was awesome.  Not gonna lie.  But we didn't have anyone else with us. 

She's a unicorn though!


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Re: Roommates
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2018, 09:26:00 AM »
I can’t believe you pay HALF the rent when there are three of you there.  And that she had the nerve to bring up utilities.   ::)

This jumped out at me, too.  I am impatient for your approval to come through already.  This situation is untenable.
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2018, 02:20:24 PM »
My maternal grandmother and grandfather would be the logical choice because they have the internet and a spare room. I just worry trying to move out is wasted effort since a decision should reasonably arrive in the next few weeks. Hopefully it does anyway!

I'm sure you've thought of all the options, but would it be possible to pack up (as you'd need to do anyway when your visa is approved) and live at your maternal grandparents' house? Even if it might only be for a few weeks, it could take the strain off your friendship and you might leave the country on better terms with your friend and less stressed overall. You'd also get to spend a bit more time with your grandparents before moving to the UK.
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 02:37:32 PM »
I'm sure you've thought of all the options, but would it be possible to pack up (as you'd need to do anyway when your visa is approved) and live at your maternal grandparents' house? Even if it might only be for a few weeks, it could take the strain off your friendship and you might leave the country on better terms with your friend and less stressed overall. You'd also get to spend a bit more time with your grandparents before moving to the UK.

Kay, I bet if you went to all the trouble of moving, your decision would come right away!...Maybe you should do that, haha! :)


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Re: Roommates
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 07:14:11 PM »
Thank you  :) I can’t wait to be out. I know we’ll still be friends. She and I are like family, and despite how bad it has been at times I don’t really hold any ill will against her. She’ll always be like my sister. I’ll just be very happy to leave and put all of this behind me. I can’t wait to just live with my husband.  ;D

And I can confidently say - don’t ever live with your best friend. It probably won’t be as awesome as you picture.  ::)

I've lived with one of my best friends, and it was awesome! The third person we lived with... wasn't. Oh, did I hate that person with a passion!
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2018, 04:19:53 AM »
I lived with one of my BFF's for years.  And it was awesome.  Not gonna lie.  But we didn't have anyone else with us. 

She's a unicorn though!

I think it’s a lot more relaxed when her fiancé isn’t home. She seems happier at times because she’s got a little more freedom when he’s gone to work. He’s quite clingy. I know I’m a lot more relaxed without him around - a large part of my issue with him is he reminds me too much of my ex. I know it’s not fair to project, but I just see all the bad qualities of my ex in him. I’ve tried telling her this and while she’s been close to ending it a couple times, they keep making up.

I'm sure you've thought of all the options, but would it be possible to pack up (as you'd need to do anyway when your visa is approved) and live at your maternal grandparents' house? Even if it might only be for a few weeks, it could take the strain off your friendship and you might leave the country on better terms with your friend and less stressed overall. You'd also get to spend a bit more time with your grandparents before moving to the UK.

It is an idea I’m kicking around. I’ve mostly just steered clear of them the best I could. They usually leave me be when I’m upstairs. It does worry me I’ll make all this effort to shift stuff only to then get my answer that I’m waiting on. Then again, I’ve already made a dent in getting rid of stuff and packing what is coming with me so it wouldn’t be all that bad.

I've lived with one of my best friends, and it was awesome! The third person we lived with... wasn't. Oh, did I hate that person with a passion!

Haha, I can definitely relate! I really feel things would be much different if it was just she and I sharing the place like the original arrangement. My best friend pulled up today right after I got home so I just waited by the door for her because she said she had something for me. Here comes the fiancé, blows right by me and just goes to meet her at the car door when I was clearly stood there waiting to speak to her after she gathered her stuff and got out of the car. I just turned and went in the house. She came upstairs to hand me what she brought for me and asked if I was okay. I pointed out what he did, and she says she got on to him for that and told him he was rude. This is nothing new though - the times he’s done stuff like that is countless. She calls him out on it but the behavior never changes. He’s not just like that with me though, he’s like that with people in general. No one would mistake him for considerate or thoughtful.  :P
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2018, 09:34:11 AM »
I think it’s a lot more relaxed when her fiancé isn’t home. She seems happier at times because she’s got a little more freedom when he’s gone to work. He’s quite clingy.

Sooooo many things you've said about him give me "abusive partner" vibes.  Clingy, controlling, she is happier/less inhibited when he's not around, intentional or unintentionally driving her friends away to isolate her...  This looks like a really bad situation for her which is only likely to get worse.  It sucks that there's so much tension between you and your friend right now.  She really needs you.
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Re: Roommates
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2018, 09:52:52 AM »
Sooooo many things you've said about him give me "abusive partner" vibes.  Clingy, controlling, she is happier/less inhibited when he's not around, intentional or unintentionally driving her friends away to isolate her...  This looks like a really bad situation for her which is only likely to get worse.  It sucks that there's so much tension between you and your friend right now.  She really needs you.

I've been getting this feeling, too.

If he's not willing or able to change on little things she mentions, he probably won't be willing or able to change when it's something bigger. If he's moved in without clearly consulting here, she might feel a bit trapped and not know how to get out (if she really wants out).

Could you two have a girls night out of the house and see if she's a bit more open about her feelings and worries when he's not around?
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