EU Permanent Residence prior to five years

If it's leaving the EU (hard Brexit) and WTO trade rules, everything can be stopped "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".  ATM, only NHS staff and those at universities, are being allowed to register to apply to stay. UK immigration rules change all the time.

It's likely the powerful 1922 Committee would then replace May with a Brexiteer PM. But even May has said that if there is no trade deal, they will look at what what those using the EU rules to live in the UK for what they can take, and see if the UK will still give them that. Everyone knows that is welfare and the free to use NHS.

The EU have already acknowleded that even if there is a soft Brexit, that although the rules will be written into EU law, they can't hold the UK to that because UK laws can be changed.


It's also what I said before, that some may choose not to stay as they will get more given to them from another EEA country and those UK Bills started on their way long before the UK was given the EU vote and these are now Acts (law), with some already coming in to force. All popular EEA countries have been doing this to make their country less attractive, ever since Merkel looked at the EU Directive and said it would take a change in EU law to stop those who use Free Movement for what they can get.

Yeah, and for the rest of us, having everything focused on the "here for what you can get" bit gets really old.    Goodness knows I pay taxes out the whazoo, and once the Daughter is working so shall she.  Financially, we'd be better off in France or Portugal. But we prefer Scotland, so fingers are crossed.

Yeah, and for the rest of us, having everything focused on the "here for what you can get" bit gets really old.    Goodness knows I pay taxes out the whazoo, and once the Daughter is working so shall she.  Financially, we'd be better off in France or Portugal. But we prefer Scotland, so fingers are crossed.

It was one of those "if the cap fits" comments. A lot of people think they are entitled to X in another country, because of Y. It's why the popular EEA countries are bringing in new laws/have already brought in new laws, so that these people look for another EEA country where they will be given more.

On taxes, you should be claiming an income  tax allowance of £11,850 on your pension this tax year.

Yeah, I'm claiming it.    And going to be paying to the UK government three-ish times in income taxes what I would be paying in the USA for future years. (Although I have to pay the USA and then claim it back, on the pension. The USA would only tax 75% of my social security, but it's taxable only in the UK at 100%. And I get no deductions for Dependent Daughter in the UK.)  I consider it all an investment, and worth it - at present. We'll see how that goes.

My taxes: the Daughter can't access any benefits and I get no tax benefit for supporting her. No reduction in council tax for having a student in the household, nada. No assistance with Uni costs. Until she's got PR. She gets tired of people thinking she can access UK student benefits. She cannot. Not even "home" tuition fees. She had a conversation the other night about not borrowing to pay for her [future] program. Her friends couldn't understand why she wouldn't take out USA student loans, until she tallied it up for them - it would be about $70,000 for the three-year degree at "foreign" tuition rates. The degree may or may not be marketable either inside or outside the UK and certainly wouldn't get her a job earning even half that. And those loans start payback immediately and follow you to the grave. Students here are spoiled, with such low fees to pay and their student loans not coming due until they are making a decent wage.  Financially, France and Portugal make more sense for us, but we really like it here in Scotland and this is where the Daughter wants to be. Getting the Daughter PR in one of those other EU countries would have meant she'd have a shot at academic jobs in all the EU countries as an "EU", rather than a second-tier foreigner. Which, sadly, her status will be once Brexit comes along. She'd have been on a level playing field if the UK had remained in the EU. But, they didn't, so she's giving up all that opportunity to stay here. I hope she doesn't regret it later.

But that's a digression:

Everyone EU that I know here is either: 1) working/running a business, 2) in school, or 3) retired and self-sufficient. They are here for many reasons, but none of them were destitute in their homelands. It would seem that the some of the popular press prefers to emphasis "migrants" as the starving unwashed, rather than the highly-educated, highly-motivated.  Oh, well. Nothing one can do about that. But it gets really freaking old.

[Edit:  I have the utmost sympathy for the starving refugees. Seriously. They've walked/swam/floated through hell and deserve a break. They are definitely motivated, or they wouldn't have undertaken the trip. They may also be highly educated and running for their lives. It's horrible for them no matter how you look at it. My point is only that we're paying our way, not taking handouts. So using the "leech" thing at us is rather offensive, really.]

Yeah, I'm claiming it.    And going to be paying to the UK government three-ish times in income taxes what I would be paying in the USA for future years. (Although I have to pay the USA and then claim it back, on the pension. The USA would only tax 75% of my social security, but it's taxable only in the UK at 100%. And I get no deductions for Dependent Daughter in the UK.)  I consider it all an investment, and worth it - at present. We'll see how that goes.

My taxes: the Daughter can't access any benefits and I get no tax benefit for supporting her. No reduction in council tax for having a student in the household, nada. No assistance with Uni costs. Until she's got PR. She gets tired of people thinking she can access UK student benefits. She cannot. Not even "home" tuition fees. She had a conversation the other night about not borrowing to pay for her [future] program. Her friends couldn't understand why she wouldn't take out USA student loans, until she tallied it up for them - it would be about $70,000 for the three-year degree at "foreign" tuition rates. The degree may or may not be marketable either inside or outside the UK and certainly wouldn't get her a job earning even half that. And those loans start payback immediately and follow you to the grave. Students here are spoiled, with such low fees to pay and their student loans not coming due until they are making a decent wage.  Financially, France and Portugal make more sense for us, but we really like it here in Scotland and this is where the Daughter wants to be. Getting the Daughter PR in one of those other EU countries would have meant she'd have a shot at academic jobs in all the EU countries as an "EU", rather than a second-tier foreigner. Which, sadly, her status will be once Brexit comes along. She'd have been on a level playing field if the UK had remained in the EU. But, they didn't, so she's giving up all that opportunity to stay here. I hope she doesn't regret it later.

But that's a digression:

Everyone EU that I know here is either: 1) working/running a business, 2) in school, or 3) retired and self-sufficient. They are here for many reasons, but none of them were destitute in their homelands. It would seem that the some of the popular press prefers to emphasis "migrants" as the starving unwashed, rather than the highly-educated, highly-motivated.  Oh, well. Nothing one can do about that. But it gets really freaking old.

[Edit:  I have the utmost sympathy for the starving refugees. Seriously. They've walked/swam/floated through hell and deserve a break. They are definitely motivated, or they wouldn't have undertaken the trip. They may also be highly educated and running for their lives. It's horrible for them no matter how you look at it. My point is only that we're paying our way, not taking handouts. So using the "leech" thing at us is rather offensive, really.]

You won't be paying much income tax to the UK as you have a tax allowance of nearly 12k and after that you only pay the lower tax band.

You can't claim anything for your daughter because she is an adult and can work part time during her studies. Financial help stops when the child goes to university at age 18 and if they don't, financial help for children stops when they are age 20 at the latest. P!us you don't work in the UK, so you couldn't claim anything  even if she was a teenager. Neither of you can have welfare from the UK as you, the sponsor,, aren't contributing to the UK and the EU Directive is quite clear that the "economically inactive" and their Family Members must not be  an undue burden to another EEA country.

Your daughter never could be a "home student" as the UK and the Republic of Ireland have always made it clear that just having an EEA citizenship would not be good enough and that you must have lived in an EEA country  for at least 3 years.  Recently, the UK changed that to must have lived in the UK for three years. Therefore like any other US citizen who wants to study in the UK, your daughter always needed to source her funding from the  US.

All the EU citizens you know, must be under 1) 2) or 3) to be using EU rules. Part of the changes the UK has already made to make the UK less attractive, was to limit the time a person can be an EU jobseeker qualified person and removed all their welfare payments: housing benefit, benefits for their children and limited the  jobseekers allowance benefit to 3 months or 6 months if they have been contributing (working) in the UK for at least 2 years.

Some of the future changes the UK already planned before the Brexit vote, doesn't mean it won't affect those in your 1) 2) or 3), but it will only affect those who chose the UK as they would be given more.

Even those with British citizenship are being targeted if they haven't been contributing to the UK, eg no more home fees and student loans if they of their parents have been paying their working taxes to another country during the previous 3 years; linking healthcare paid for by the UK for retirees to being in receipt of a UK state pension on the S1.

Beg to differ on the tax bill. It will be sizeable, compared to the States. As in approximately $3,100 in the States (if I didn't have the Daughter in tow, and less - in the vicinity of $2400 - if I claimed her as a dependent), and approximately $7,000 in the UK. Maybe that's not "much" to you, but it certainly fits the definition in my book! 

After she has been here for 3 years, the Daughter qualifies for in-country tuition and fees. We have already cleared that with her Uni, based on her having moved here permanently and being an EU-status person (dependent of EU counts as EU) who has access to education. So, 16 more months and she'll pay as a local if she starts her next program after that point. It's a huge break in fees.  If they want to fund her prior to that point, that'd be great. But we're not counting on it. She will be working part time until we know how things will shake out. That was always the plan, anyway.

She and I have covered her degree costs to date. We aren't expected to be "funded" or get "welfare" by the UK otherwise, but are damned tired of people thinking we can, and thinking that we get the council tax household break, etc. Trust me, we've researched the beejeezus out of what she can and can't do. I just hope she hasn't made a mistake by choosing the UK instead of a Uni in the EU. Her employability in the EU is going to take a serious hit from not being an EU person (unless, by some miracle we can get her Irish citizenship). She'll always be second in line behind an EU citizen, unless she manages to become a world-expert in her field (not likely, really).  That has me worried, but it's not my decision to make.

It may be that she has to do her PhD in Ireland, where, after 3 years living there she should be able to get citizenship via "Irish Associations" (aka, me - yes, I've already run this down with the Irish government).  Since she wouldn't be able to work while there (other than as a Student), I'm not sure how we'd manage it, financially. It may also have to wait until she's been in the UK for 3 years. We know she can't be living out of the UK for more than two years (as it stands now, subject, of course to change) or she would lose ILR here. Will have to investigate if going to school there and being home at Term Time counts against that period. There are some Unis there that offer very generous funding, and so she would not be starving and living in a tent. And it is my understanding that as long as she is a Uni student she is considered dependent. Not sure if that would carry-over if she had to be over there half the time. (Nice thing about research degrees - you don't sit classes, etc., you just do your research. From where-ever you are.)  Will deal with that later.  Too much other stuff going now. And if she got Irish citizenship, the IRL stuff would be irrelevant anyway.

Once we know what agreements are settled upon, we'll act accordingly.

Some of the Brits who live in another country, have said the university decides if it is home fees and one of two managed to get that, but that Student Loans stick to the rules.

Yeah, that's what I'm finding, looking at various places.

Oh. Read the statement of intent for EU citizens in Brexit. If it's agreed on, we can still go the three-year route if I can manage to find a job. Sooo, I'm back on the market.     Resume is polished and shalt soon be flying!

Sitting around all day is nice. And enjoyable. But I could do with some "out and social" time.