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FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« on: August 28, 2018, 01:11:07 PM »
Hi there

Would appreciate some advice about the form. We have a premium service appointment on the 20th September. This is quite some list so help with all or just part of this would be wonderful!!

Thank you!

IHS number
Perhaps as a starter point I can describe confusion about which number we should have used. We entered the IHS number from the first time my (American) husband applied thinking (ie first spouse visa) for when we booked the premium appointment. The number was accepted and there was no request for payment and we went ahead and got an appointment. Apparently this is not the right thing to do! We have had to generate another number (and pay the charge) and were advised to write a letter to include in our pack we present in Croydon to explain all this (along with payment proof etc). Wanted to share this in case it is useful for others.

Joint financial responsbilities
I am wondering what we should write in section 6.33 of the FLR (M) form. We share bills but not in a formal way as we just both contribute to the 'pot' and currently dont have a joint bank account (although perhaps we should set one up urgently)? Furthermore, is any documentary evidence included here? Our names are both on various bills etc and we will be submitting those as proof of address etc..

Financial requirement
Under 7.3 it says 'indicate which option you are relying on' category A or B. Apologies if I am being stupid here but if we are relying on the sponsor's income..what should we do for this? Is it A or B..?

Photographs
Is there a specific format for THIS form? I have older passport photos and my husband has had some taken for the purpose of this form. At snappy snaps they asked him which specific form this was for and he now has some which are smaller than the ones I had taken (for a Chinese visa request)! Guessing I will have to go back to snappy snaps to get the completely perfect format :-(

Accommodation proof -
Assuming this is what is specified under the page photograph and documents checklist and ' evidence of where you and your parent/child normally live'.. - i will ask for a copy of the tenancy agreement. I hadnt noticed this requirement to date and was trying to avoid as the estate agent is useless!

Other:
Do we need to include our birth certificates?
Do we need to highlight salary in the six months of bank statements so it is easy to find?

Thank you so much and sorry again for this long list!

Many thanks!



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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 01:32:33 PM »
Welcome to the forum :).

IHS number
Perhaps as a starter point I can describe confusion about which number we should have used. We entered the IHS number from the first time my (American) husband applied thinking (ie first spouse visa) for when we booked the premium appointment. The number was accepted and there was no request for payment and we went ahead and got an appointment. Apparently this is not the right thing to do! We have had to generate another number (and pay the charge) and were advised to write a letter to include in our pack we present in Croydon to explain all this (along with payment proof etc). Wanted to share this in case it is useful for others.

Yeah, you need to pay the IHS fee and get a new number for each application you make, except ILR - because the amount you pay only covers the length of the visa you are applying for. Therefore your first IHS number from the spousal visa only covers your healthcare up until the expiry date of that visa and becomes irrelevant when you apply for the next visa.

So, you have to pay again when you apply for FLR(M) to cover your healthcare for the next 2.5 years... and you will get a new number for this. So, what you should do when you book the appointment is go to the IHS website, pay the fee, then enter the new number on the appointment booking form.

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Joint financial responsbilities
I am wondering what we should write in section 6.33 of the FLR (M) form. We share bills but not in a formal way as we just both contribute to the 'pot' and currently dont have a joint bank account (although perhaps we should set one up urgently)? Furthermore, is any documentary evidence included here? Our names are both on various bills etc and we will be submitting those as proof of address etc..

It doesn't really matter what you put here and there is no need to include evidence of joint responsibilities.

Personally, I think it means things you are both legally responsible for paying jointly, like a mortgage or a loan, but some people put things like utility bills and groceries. It's really up to you how you answer it. There's no right or wrong answer.

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Financial requirement
Under 7.3 it says 'indicate which option you are relying on' category A or B. Apologies if I am being stupid here but if we are relying on the sponsor's income..what should we do for this? Is it A or B..?

It depends on how long the sponsor has been with their current company and how long they have been earning at least £18,600.

Category A:
Requirements:
- they must have been with the same employer for at least 6 months and have been earning at least £18,600 for all of that time
Documents required:
- 6 full months of payslips
- 6 full months of bank statements
- a letter from their current employer
Recommended:
- job contract and P60

Category B:
Requirements:
- they either have not been with the same employer for at least 6 months, or have not been earning at least £18,600 for 6 months yet
AND
- they have earned at least £18,600 in total before tax in the last 12 months
Documents required:
- 12 full months of payslips
- 12 full months of bank statements
- a letter from their current employer
Recommended:
- job contract and P60

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Photographs
Is there a specific format for THIS form? I have older passport photos and my husband has had some taken for the purpose of this form. At snappy snaps they asked him which specific form this was for and he now has some which are smaller than the ones I had taken (for a Chinese visa request)! Guessing I will have to go back to snappy snaps to get the completely perfect format :-(

They must be UK passport size (35mm x 45 mm) and taken recently (I thought I read somewhere that they had to be taken in the last 90 days, but can't find that now. You need 2 identical ones of the applicant with their full name written on the back, and 1 of the sponsor with their full name written on the back

You can normally just get them done in a regular photo booth in a supermarket or shopping centre for about £5 or so. I don't see any reason why you should have to get special ones from Snappy Snaps.

See:
https://www.gov.uk/photos-for-passports
and
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/303780/Photoguidance_v7.pdf

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Accommodation proof -
Assuming this is what is specified under the page photograph and documents checklist and ' evidence of where you and your parent/child normally live'.. - i will ask for a copy of the tenancy agreement. I hadnt noticed this requirement to date and was trying to avoid as the estate agent is useless!

You need to send the tenancy agreement, and if the applicant's name is NOT on it, you also need a letter from the landlord giving the applicant permission to live there.

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Other:
Do we need to include our birth certificates?
Do we need to highlight salary in the six months of bank statements so it is easy to find?

No, birth certificates are never needed for a visa application (unless the sponsor has never held a passport and has to provide their birth certificate as proof of ID instead).

No, don't touch the bank statements - they will know what they are looking for.
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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2018, 01:33:23 PM »
Joint financial responsibilities is just that.  Anything you share the expense for.  It’s absolutely fine to not have a joint bank account.

Category A:  same employer for the past six months earning a minimum of £1550 per month.

Category B:  if you’ve changed employers in the past six months or you have a payslip that falls below £1550 per month, you use the last 12 months of earnings.

I believe the photos should be within 30 days, but I think they are just reference (they use the photo from biometrics for the  BRP).

Tenancy agreement with both names is perfect.

Do you have your communication documentation sorted?


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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2018, 03:57:23 PM »
Thank you so much both for your replies here. This clears things up for me. Noted the point about categories. We will be A..I have my P60 and employer letter as well as pay slips. will get an updated job contract too.

Although when you say 'communication documentation'.. please dont tell me we have to print off emails and messages to each other again do we??

Thank you again. Very very grateful.


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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2018, 04:01:39 PM »
Thank you so much both for your replies here. This clears things up for me. Noted the point about categories. We will be A..I have my P60 and employer letter as well as pay slips. will get an updated job contract too.

Although when you say 'communication documentation'.. please dont tell me we have to print off emails and messages to each other again do we??

Thank you again. Very very grateful.

Nope, not emails.  Post this time.  6 joint items spread evenly every 4 months for the previous 2 years or 12 individual items from the same month, meeting the same 4 months spread for the previous two years.


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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2018, 10:05:06 PM »
Oh yes, we have that as well. Will do the joint name letters (British gas and Sainsbury’s energy and council tax).  The phone company wont put the bill in both our names!

I am then planning on adding the two in my name, the two in his, all to the same address and over the time period.

Hope that’s right! Thanks so much.


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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 06:33:31 AM »
Oh yes, we have that as well. Will do the joint name letters (British gas and Sainsbury’s energy and council tax).  The phone company wont put the bill in both our names!

I am then planning on adding the two in my name, the two in his, all to the same address and over the time period.

Hope that’s right! Thanks so much.

Try to choose the individually addressed pieces from as close a date to each other as possible, at least from the same month.


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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 09:17:22 PM »
Can I trouble you to explain this? I thought they were supposed to be at approximately four month intervals?

Thank you, Lauren


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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2018, 09:25:25 PM »
Can I trouble you to explain this? I thought they were supposed to be at approximately four month intervals?

Thank you, Lauren

Yes, that's correct. Space the items 4 months apart whether they are one joint piece or two individual pieces. Sometimes people will want to submit one individual piece from June and one individual piece from August (for example) but one piece each from July would be better, assuming that fits with the 4 month spacing.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2018, 10:17:53 PM »
Okay my husband has explained now! Thank you - would never have thought of that.


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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2018, 09:00:14 PM »
I was wondering exactly what the requirements are for the documentation of living together?

So from what I understand, I need either 6 pieces of joint mail, or 12 pieces of separate mail but at the same address. If they are separate they should be from the same month.

Can I do a combination of the two? So maybe 10 pieces of separate mail and one joint?

And should the mail all be from separate entities? Like one electricity bill, one bank statement, one rates bill, etc?

It would be much easier if it could just be from the same bill. Is that allowed? If not, do they all have to be separate or can there be a few duplicates?

And is the four month-apart rule strict? Like could I do one at 5 months and the next at 3 if it lines up better?
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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2018, 09:05:25 PM »
I was wondering exactly what the requirements are for the documentation of living together?

So from what I understand, I need either 6 pieces of joint mail, or 12 pieces of separate mail but at the same address. If they are separate they should be from the same month.

Can I do a combination of the two? So maybe 10 pieces of separate mail and one joint?

And should the mail all be from separate entities? Like one electricity bill, one bank statement, one rates bill, etc?

It would be much easier if it could just be from the same bill. Is that allowed? If not, do they all have to be separate or can there be a few duplicates?

And is the four month-apart rule strict? Like could I do one at 5 months and the next at 3 if it lines up better?

It can be any combination of joint and individual mail. Only three sources are required. You should try to keep to 4 months apart.

Take a look at the form FLR(M). It's explained clearly there.  :)

P63 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733726/FLR__M__-07-18.pdf
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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 11:09:25 AM »
Thanks once again for all the support with this.

We have gone through all the files today and have come up with the following set of communications. We would really welcome your review..My husband arrived in the UK in early Jan 2016 and the visa expires at the end of Sept this year.

March 2016 - Joint British Gas Bill
Jun 2016 - Sponsor bank statement (mailed from Bank to home address)
Oct 2016 - applicant HMRC letter
Jan 2017 - Joint British gas bill
April 2017 - joint Sainsburys energy bill
November 2017 - Applicant bank statement (mailed from bank to home address)
March 2018 - Council tax bill in both names
August 2018 - Sponsor letter from savings account

Realise this is not following your advice of providing the two individual letters in the same month (which we can do but conscious not to provide more than eight items of correspondence) however that would not then give us the (approximately) four month spacing. What do you think of this? We have read on here that you only need to cover two years of time..but that is not what it says on the form. If it is only two years we could re-jig things.

Finally - i have another niggling doubt/worry now we are getting closer: On the IHS number mess up (we entered the wrong number when we booked the appointment online). I am guessing there is no way to change the number to reflect our new one before our 20th September appointment? We were told to write a letter to explain (I called a number which no longer seems to be active) to explain what we did.

Thanks so much again.


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FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 11:44:19 AM »
Realise this is not following your advice of providing the two individual letters in the same month (which we can do but conscious not to provide more than eight items of correspondence) however that would not then give us the (approximately) four month spacing. What do you think of this? We have read on here that you only need to cover two years of time..but that is not what it says on the form. If it is only two years we could re-jig things.

You MUST cover two in the same month if they are individually addressed - because the whole point is to show you were living at the same address at the same time.

This may mean including up to 12 items (6 in each name)

You only need to cover the last 2 years, so you’ll need:

August/Sept 2016:
1. applicant document
1. sponsor document

Dec 2016/Jan 2017
2. Joint British gas bill

April/May 2017
3. joint Sainsburys energy bill

Aug/Sept 2017
4. Applicant document
4. sponsor document

Dec/Jan 2018
5. Applicant document
5. sponsor document

Apr/May 2018
6. Applicant document
6. sponsor document

Aug 2018 - extra
7. Applicant document
7. sponsor document


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Finally - i have another niggling doubt/worry now we are getting closer: On the IHS number mess up (we entered the wrong number when we booked the appointment online). I am guessing there is no way to change the number to reflect our new one before our 20th September appointment? We were told to write a letter to explain (I called a number which no longer seems to be active) to explain what we did

It’s not an issue - just explain on the day. They can’t process the application without verifying you have paid anyway.



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Re: FLR(M) questions - help appreciated
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2018, 06:53:33 PM »
It can be any combination of joint and individual mail. Only three sources are required. You should try to keep to 4 months apart.

Take a look at the form FLR(M). It's explained clearly there.  :)

P63 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/733726/FLR__M__-07-18.pdf
Hi,

Just starting to gather info for FLR(M) and I saw this thread. The link you provided is the application form and I can’t seem to find the write up on the relationship evidence? I also checked the guidance notes and don’t see it?

Another question...besides the main FLR(M) application there is no appendix to fill out like we did for the spousal visa?

Thank you !


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