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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2018, 11:02:54 AM »
That’s the reporting from a wide swath of media.

It wouldn't surprise me. France hasn't be able to balance their books since the 1960s.

France has high unemployment and the French embassy think they have about half a million French in the UK so far. In a stat report a few years ago, French came in as the 4th highest immigrants to the UK (Poland was the only EU country above them)  but before Free Movment, France were not in the top 10 list of immigrants to the UK. Yet Macron still complains about how much the benefits in France are costing the country.

Plus of course the CAP payments, which is a bggie for France as they  have always been the biggest taker of that budget. CAP is one of the budgets that is fully funded by the EU, which at present is 40% of the entire EU budget. Over the years, the reduction in the CAP percentage of the EU budget and more poor farming countries joining the EU, has meant that Fance now pay in more than they take from the EU budget, but they are still the biggest taker from the CAP.

At the recent meeting to set the next EU budget, the EU said they would have to reduce the CAP budget,  because they would no longer have the UK's money to give out. France then voted to increase payments from the remeaining EU countries so the CAP was not cut, but four of the northen EU countries joined together and voted not to do that becausee their economy would be suffering from Brexit. The EU then reported that the CAP will have to be cut.

And lets not even start on  fishing in UK waters.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/09/11/548963126/brexit-leaves-french-fishermen-on-the-hook?t=1542282319625


Now the report a couple of week ago on the Eurozone-

"Growth in the 19 countries using the euro currency slowed to just 0.2% in the third quarter of the year."

http://biz.newsbelow.com/eurozone-growth-slows-as-italian-economy-stalls-106672/#%20



I still think no one actually wants the job until after this part of the process is done. They want May there to fall on the sword so one of them can then ride in as the savior. We’ll see. I could be wrong. I’m sure there’s a point at which they’re just so fed up with her inability to even do that right that they’d take her out. We shall see.


I think a lot will step forward to be leader for Brexit. May is a Remainer.
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2018, 11:05:30 AM »
Last night May actually said there may be "no Brexit". I am very curious how the next few weeks will play out.

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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2018, 11:06:33 AM »
It is never weakness to step back from disaster.

This is lunacy.
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2018, 11:23:24 AM »
Davis Cameron, meanwhile, was spotted leaving a waitrose with a nice Chardonnay.
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2018, 11:41:42 AM »
Last night May actually said there may be "no Brexit". I am very curious how the next few weeks will play out.

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She is a Remainer and is trying to force her Breixt plan through and make the Brexiteers vote for her.
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2018, 12:07:00 PM »
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2018, 12:08:03 PM »
Last night May actually said there may be "no Brexit". I am very curious how the next few weeks will play out.

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Did she now? Hmmmmm


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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2018, 01:13:29 PM »
The letters are going in to the 1922 Committee.

2 more Bexiteers have just quit from her cabinet plus a junior minister.

She had a very rough time in parlaiment and from Labour too, becasue she hasn't honoured the Bexit vote. Calls in House, telling her to resign and jeers at her Brexit deal.
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2018, 01:29:49 PM »
Did she now? Hmmmmm

That might not help you as much as you may be thinking as it will see the end of May.  It's May who is allowing you and your non-EEA citizen family to have bill free use of the NHS.. As you know, all the other EEA countries would bill you for all your medical care, as per EU Directive 2004 on the Free Movmement of Persons. Even your own EEA country would bill you for medication, GP visits etc. The EU have made it very clear that even if there is a Withdrawal Bill, another UK government can bill for use of the NHS: a new leader forms their own government.
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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2018, 02:18:48 PM »
Here go some more...

"European Research Group of Tory MPs to submit letters calling for confidence vote in Theresa May's position."

"Junior Northern Ireland minister Shailesh Vara, junior Brexit minister Suella Braverman, and parliamentary private secretaries Anne-Marie Trevelyan and Ranil Jayawardena also step down"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-46200010


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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2018, 02:27:21 PM »
That might not help you as much as you may be thinking as it will see the end of May.  It's May who is allowing you and your non-EEA citizen family to have bill free use of the NHS.. As you know, all the other EEA countries would bill you for all your medical care, as per EU Directive 2004 on the Free Movmement of Persons. Even your own EEA country would bill you for medication, GP visits etc. The EU have made it very clear that even if there is a Withdrawal Bill, another UK government can bill for use of the NHS: a new leader forms their own government.
I don't see why you are turning this one comment into an NHS issue. From what I've seen Nan and other EU citizens living in the UK want answers and future stability, however that looks from a healthcare perspective would be a factor but knowing you can remain in a country is kind of essential to life plans.

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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2018, 02:42:38 PM »
I don't see why you are turning this one comment into an NHS issue. From what I've seen Nan and other EU citizens living in the UK want answers and future stability, however that looks from a healthcare perspective would be a factor but knowing you can remain in a country is kind of essential to life plans.


Because Nan drew up a list of where medical care would be the cheapest for EEA citizens. Wouldn''t you?

The UK has already said that regardless of Breixt, all can stay, except criminals. That if there is no trade deal, the UK would look at ending benefits that EEA citizens and their non-EEA citizen Family Members claim from the UK.

The new Welfare Reform laws are taking care of the problem that all the poplular EEA countries have, where Free Movement is being used for what Germany calls "using free movement for what they can get". These laws are coming in regardless of Brexit and it's already been announced in parliament that France, Germany and Sweden would then give more money in benefits. This is nothing to do with Brexit as the new laws to stop the abusers, take years to come in.



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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2018, 02:50:55 PM »
Just to be sure, did Sirius just claim that France caused the Irish border to be an issue?  Because they can't balance their budget?

If it weren't for pesky old France those Irish people wouldn't even have noticed those new border crossings!


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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2018, 03:00:20 PM »
An Irishman speaks about the French:

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Re: Sooo, they have a tentative Brexit agreement?
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2018, 03:02:38 PM »
Just to be sure, did Sirius just claim that France caused the Irish border to be an issue?  Because they can't balance their budget?

If it weren't for pesky old France those Irish people wouldn't even have noticed those new border crossings!

I gave a list of reasons why France cannot afford a Brexit. It's no secret.

For balancing their books, Macron went to Germany and asked if France would be allowed to  borrow more that the EU allows. The German onliine magaine Spiegel  called Macron " a frenemy in the making".
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/frenemy-in-the-making-merkel-views-macron-with-skepticism-and-hope-a-1147822.html 

Since then,  Macron has come up with the idea that the EU should take the debts of EU countries, something I doubt the German people will allow as they will have to underwrite those debts and Merkel has now lost her power in Germany, thanks to the elections. . Then he suggested that the EU should have a Finance section and that France and Gemany should run it, instead of just Germany as happens now; even though no other EU country  wants the problems France has, not even the French. He was then told by the other rich EEA countries that France doesen't run the EU.

Then on to the loss of France's CAP payments under the new budget as the EU has to cope with the loss of the UK's billions ..
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-budget-agriculture/eu-proposes-to-cut-farm-subsidies-france-says-unacceptable-idUSKBN1I31XB

and some of the other losses
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-to-cost-european-union-billions-a-1111724.html

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