No no deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46803112

So basically they can't (won't?) sort out a deal. They won't agree a no-deal. And, no matter what, they are planning on leaving March 29th, come what may.

Am I understanding correctly? (I know I've massively oversimplified here) It feels like all the time and effort that's gone into discussing a no deal could've been used to brainstorm a deal if they won't reverse the decision to leave.

Well, the EU has said from the start that there were certain points that were not negotiable. They then agreed to the agreement the PM sorted out.  And have repeatedly said that there is no "renegotiation" of that deal.

SO, what the heck all the talk about re-negotiations for the backstop, etc., from MPs has been completely delusional, it would seem. Unless the MPs change the law that says that Brexit happens at the end of March, the UK is out. It's my understanding from what the MPs did (and I have only read it in glancing) that there are restrictions to changes in tax law after Brexit if there's a no-deal scenario. That's a long way from a no-no-deal situation....

I wonder how much they had to pay all those truckers to line up to see if was possible to handle the projected backlog at Dover? There's going to be a lot of money made (and apparently already spent) trying to sort out a no-deal scenario. Billion dollar contracts to shipping companies that don't own any ships. That's an interesting one. 

I prefer to think that option A, call it off, is the same choice. Europe is more than willing!

Definitely not against them calling it off altogether but it's frustrating when they say they won't but it doesn't feel like they are focusing enough on what they need to do - just what they won't do.

Well, the EU has said from the start that there were certain points that were not negotiable. They then agreed to the agreement the PM sorted out.  And have repeatedly said that there is no "renegotiation" of that deal.

Barnier; the EU's Brexit negotiator; has asked the UK if they will still continue to take EU citizens and their families after Brexit, just as the Withdrawal Agreement would have done if there was a trade deal, even though the EU were told repeatedly by the UK that it was everything or it is nothing. Germany is now in negative growth, growth in the Eurozone is very low and the EU mainland still has high unemployment figures.

The same with the German car industry, asking if the UK will allow a tariff free trade for cars if there is a Brexit and no free trade agreement. The UK moving to WTO trading rules; as the UK already does with all the countrires the UK trades with outside the EU; means the German car makers will have to pay tariffs. The UK is the German car makers biggest market and US is their second. Which, as a FT stated, WTO tariffs to the UK and then Trump  raising tariffs on their cars a few days later, will be the equivalent of " a cardiac arrest"  for German car makers. That article written before the lastest figures showed Germany is in negative growth and the poor growth rate of the Eurozone countries.

If we asked, the EU have said they would forget the whole thing. Maybe they would consider an extension?

I wonder how much they had to pay all those truckers to line up to see if was possible to handle the projected backlog at Dover?

50k, and a complete waste of money as the UK have already said they intend to bypass Calais and other French ports after a Brexit, as other EU countries have said they want that trade. Belgium is one those countries.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kmtv/video/ramsgate-port-expansion-plans-drawn-up-to-bypass-dover-to-calais-gridlock-after-brexit-23036/

Even the EU don't want to use any French ports.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/france-rejects-eu-plan-for-post-brexit-shipping-corridor-0cp9chl36

Interesting article by CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/09/opinions/britain-needs-to-get-real-brexit-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

Interesting article by CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/09/opinions/britain-needs-to-get-real-brexit-opinion-intl-gbr/index.html

The banks and big business are in charge of the EU. Try reading some articles or books from those who know how the EU works.  How much (taxpayers) money is given to these and how rules are made to be in their favour to push away smaller competition

The banks and big business are in charge of the EU. Try reading some articles or books from those who know how the EU works.

Not really interested enough to bother.

It's that way in every "country", really. Always has been. I'd have to be a fool to think otherwise. 

Not really interested enough to bother.

I should imagine that is what they hope happens.    Just look at the posts from those who complain about the banks or low wages, but want the EU (run by the banks and big business) and free movement (oversupply of low/medium skilled cheap labour that hits the wages of the other low/medium skilled).

It is true. There was a time when the Empire ruled the seas.

Now we have Guido Fawkes flogging the dead horse.

The Commonwealth Games are fun to watch though.

I had a remainer on another forum try and say that Britain could invade Spain. 

Holy sh*t we are in for it.

I should imagine that is what they hope happens.    Just look at the posts from those who complain about the banks or low wages, but want the EU (run by the banks and big business) and free movement (oversupply of low/medium skilled cheap labour that hits the wages of the other low/medium skilled).

I doubt they care, and hope isn't something they do. They are the ultimate in rationality.

I don't have a vote in it. Not that I'm unaware of the history - my PhD-level work was in comparative governments. I simply have no say, so I don't "care" in the sense that there's not a damned thing I can do about anything that happens in the UK. Or, realistically, anywhere. Not enough money or rich/famous friends to have any clout. So while I'll be watching it all go down like the Titanic, I'm not emotionally invested.

So... wages will be kept low here after Brexit, because money is lining the pockets of the bosses. Same old story, only then they won't have the EU bosses  to put up as the straw men. I'm sure they'll come up with something else to deflect blame, though. Having just listened to the debating in the Commons (or, the BBC's condensed version of said) I have no doubts about that.