Trying to figure out citizenship

I just did a 'fake apply' via the link on this page: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-spouse/how-to-apply  - the "fill in the form on-line". Strangely, I got all the way through - up to the pay page, and never encountered anything about degrees in English. There was a page near the end where I checked that I was using a US passport to fulfill the English language requirement.

Was I on the correct page??? Now I hope I haven't created a cyber-paper trail and they will come to find me.

I just did a 'fake apply' via the link on this page: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-spouse/how-to-apply  - the "fill in the form on-line". Strangely, I got all the way through - up to the pay page, and never encountered anything about degrees in English. There was a page near the end where I checked that I was using a US passport to fulfill the English language requirement.

Was I on the correct page??? Now I hope I haven't created a cyber-paper trail and they will come to find me.

Ha ha!  I did the same.  We'll both be captured together.

It *did* ask me if I had a degree.  I answered yes.  Then it prompted the "how was I going to prove that" and the choices were 1.  Diploma  2.  Transcripts (just has HMS encountered).

I just did a 'fake apply' via the link on this page: https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship-spouse/how-to-apply  - the "fill in the form on-line". Strangely, I got all the way through - up to the pay page, and never encountered anything about degrees in English. There was a page near the end where I checked that I was using a US passport to fulfill the English language requirement.

Was I on the correct page??? Now I hope I haven't created a cyber-paper trail and they will come to find me.

So that page links to the pdf application form here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/become-a-british-citizen-by-naturalisation-form-an which specifically states

1.22 How do you intend to satisfy the requirement to have sufficient knowledge of language and life in the UK? See pages 12 to 16 in the accompanying Booklet AN.
I have passed the Life in the UK test and attach confirmation:
And either
...
...
I am a national of a majority English speaking country. (You must check the list of acceptable countries that are considered “a majority English speaking country”, to meet this requirement).

There are 8 possible options for proving it despite hms_seahorse screenshot showing only 3 in the online form

So that page links to the pdf application form here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/become-a-british-citizen-by-naturalisation-form-an which specifically states
There are 8 possible options for proving it despite hms_seahorse screenshot showing only 3 in the online form

That reminds me. When my husband applied on the old paper form, there was no box to check for "national of an English speaking country" so I literally wrote it on to the form under the other options. They revised the form shortly afterwords.

I wonder if it would be worth using the paper form, even though it is only- To be used by people in the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and British overseas territories, and by people who live elsewhere and want to apply by post. and explaining the reason why?

I'd certainly call them to make them aware of their error. It should be easy to fix at their end.

Citizenship and nationality enquiries nationalityenquiries@homeoffice.gov.uk
Telephone: 0300 123 2253
Monday to Thursday, 9am to 4:45pm
Friday, 9am to 4:30pm

https://www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside-outside-uk/y/inside-the-uk/british-citizenship-and-nationality

 HMS Seahorse.. do NOT sit the test, it's not necessary!

Okay, so I’ve just gone through the application online to “fake apply”.  I’m getting the same thing.

Okay, so your diploma is framed.  Can you peel off the tape on the back of the frame carefully and remove it?  I’ve changed out photos that have been professionally framed before, so I know if you are careful this can be done.

I’m anal retentive and have a few sealed copies of my transcripts, but I realise not everyone does this. 

Also, ABSOLUTELY no need to wait a year.  After all, right now, you are unemployed. 

I AM UNEMPLOYED! THIS IS AMAZING NEWS. Breathing.

I am absolutely baffled about what to do on the English requirement. The thing is, my grandmother had the first degree framed for me as a gift, and although I am generally not a sentimental person, if I messed up, I would be so gutted that I'd rather have done just about anything else. I'd be able to cope on the one I had framed. But not the other. It's too much to bear, even if deeply irrational.

Do you think I could pay a framer to do both? Honestly, two trips to the framers sounds ridiculous as well. I'm still leaning towards taking the English test.

(I had transcripts!! I used them to get into a graduate programme!!! Because OF COURSE, like a complete pleb, I didn't think UKVI would change the English requirement rules on me.)

There are 8 possible options for proving it despite hms_seahorse screenshot showing only 3 in the online form

Well, there are only 3 options these days. Just a matter of choosing which one is the least hassle now!

I don't think UKVI changed the requirement, per se. I think it's more that the online application doesn't seem to allow you to bi-pass things if you're exempt due to being a US citizen.

The other option is to put "no" for degree and then add an additional letter to say that you DO have a US degree taught in English but you don't have a copy of those diplomas easily accessible but that you're exempt from needing to meet this requirement due to being a US citizen. Also add that you can request copies if required. That way you're being honest and telling them about the degree but bi-passing that in the rigid online application. Just apologise in the notes/letter and say that you weren't sure of a better way to communicate this and this is the best way you could think of to communicate the information. I don't forsee this being an issue whatsoever. I bet they won't even ask, but if they do, you can then cross that bridge of how to get the diploma situation out of the way when you come to it.

Yesterday I cried and then had some healing cheese, and I'm back at it again today.

Which of these is an 18-year-old speeding ticket? I wasn't stripped of my driving licence or arrested or even asked to do anything but pay a fine. Is it a caution? I can't believe my application is in jeopardy over a bloody speeding ticket nearly half a lifetime ago.

Yesterday I cried and then had some healing cheese, and I'm back at it again today.

Which of these is an 18-year-old speeding ticket? I wasn't stripped of my driving licence or arrested or even asked to do anything but pay a fine. Is it a caution? I can't believe my application is in jeopardy over a bloody speeding ticket nearly half a lifetime ago.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd probably say "a caution, warning, reprimand, or other penalty" but hopefully somebody else who's been in a similar situation can advise for certain on that one.

I don't think UKVI changed the requirement, per se. I think it's more that the online application doesn't seem to allow you to bi-pass things if you're exempt due to being a US citizen.

The other option is to put "no" for degree and then add an additional letter to say that you DO have a US degree taught in English but you don't have a copy of those diplomas easily accessible but that you're exempt from needing to meet this requirement due to being a US citizen. Also add that you can request copies if required. That way you're being honest and telling them about the degree but bi-passing that in the rigid online application. Just apologise in the notes/letter and say that you weren't sure of a better way to communicate this and this is the best way you could think of to communicate the information. I don't forsee this being an issue whatsoever. I bet they won't even ask, but if they do, you can then cross that bridge of how to get the diploma situation out of the way when you come to it.

I thought about this, but then I remembered that UKVI pay functional illiterates approximately £9.75 an hour, and I lost my confidence. But maybe.

For now, I am ticking 'no' for everything in that section, and I'll decide when I've done the rest.

Still putting an English-requirement decision on hold.

However, I'm now at the point where it wants to know if I've ever made other applications. I don't bloody remember the date we went for FLR(M). If I give the wrong date is that worse or better than leaving it blank?

I know even honest mistakes are 'lying' and 'deception' and ... what's the word ... 'abuse' that will get me 'shut down', so I'd like to choose my battles carefully. (I haven't even gotten to the supporting documents, and I'm losing my will to live with this.)

Still putting an English-requirement decision on hold.

However, I'm now at the point where it wants to know if I've ever made other applications. I don't bloody remember the date we went for FLR(M). If I give the wrong date is that worse or better than leaving it blank?

I know even honest mistakes are 'lying' and 'deception' and ... what's the word ... 'abuse' that will get me 'shut down', so I'd like to choose my battles carefully. (I haven't even gotten to the supporting documents, and I'm losing my will to live with this.)

I found what I could in my emails for my past applications (like FLR-M and ILR) but couldn’t get dates/specific info for my first application so just left it blank as it was designated as optional.

Seriously, for your English language requirement, just submit as no for everything and write a note to explain the situation. You’re stressing yourself out way more than you need to with this and making it harder for yourself. Remind yourself that citizenship is an added bonus. You have ILR and this application won’t impact that. Small mistakes won’t be lies or deception or abuse. The supporting docs are p*ss easy compared to the visa app docs (it’s literally 1/3rd of what’s required for visa app).


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Taking a look at your previous posts on the forum, your in-person appointment for FLR(M) was 14th November 2015 and you posted on 17th November that it had been approved:
https://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=86416.msg1131054#msg1131054




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Taking a look at your previous posts on the forum, your in-person appointment for FLR(M) was 14th November 2015 and you posted on 17th November that it had been approved:
https://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=86416.msg1131054#msg1131054

Ah, thank you for being smarter than I! Here is what I ended up finding in an old post ... what a nightmare timeline:

I moved my FLR(M) appointment to accommodate a work trip that came up at the last minute, so was able to go to Stockholm (13th), come back (14th), get the application approved (16th), and now have BRP in hand (18th) in time for a holiday to Italy (26th).

yeeeeeshhhhhh

I found what I could in my emails for my past applications (like FLR-M and ILR) but couldn’t get dates/specific info for my first application so just left it blank as it was designated as optional.

Seriously, for your English language requirement, just submit as no for everything and write a note to explain the situation. You’re stressing yourself out way more than you need to with this and making it harder for yourself. Remind yourself that citizenship is an added bonus. You have ILR and this application won’t impact that. Small mistakes won’t be lies or deception or abuse. The supporting docs are p*ss easy compared to the visa app docs (it’s literally 1/3rd of what’s required for visa app).

Without going into my faulty wiring as a human, and how poor writing/inaccurate communication + official situations = brain meltdown, I get what you're saying, and I appreciate the vote of confidence. But for me, citizenship isn't an added bonus. ILR means I'm trapped here or, worse, have to go to America. Citizenship means I could accept a job in Amsterdam or Singapore, ANYWHERE a new opportunity arises, without our having to do this all over again. It's the one piece of paper that both guards our shared future and opens it up, and it's hard to put that in the hands of a government body that demonstrably should not be trusted. (Also, if I did make an honest mistake somewhere along the way, they could defo still call that deception and strip me of everything.)