ILR - okay where do we start?

Unless they meant for the council tax and housing costs to be asked just of those applying using adequate maintenance but because the form is rubbish, it asks everyone for that information?

I wouldn't be surprised if it just asks everybody for everything and you're somehow just supposed to know which you need and which you don't...but I don't think it's supposed to be that way (unless something else was ticked on the application in error maybe?)

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I wouldn't be surprised if it just asks everybody for everything and you're somehow just supposed to know which you need and which you don't...but I don't think it's supposed to be that way (unless something else was ticked on the application in error maybe?)

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The online form is a mess!

The online form is a mess!

Completely. And what adds to the confusion is they make you categorise your documents and it can be hard to know which category is best for a particular document while other categories won't have any documents and can make a person worry they've forgotten items.

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I will type out my whole application and answers later today as a sanity check

I rent and it asked for council tax and ‘housing costs’ evidence. The housing costs evidence is just a tenancy agreement, it mentioned it earlier in the application.

This is what I am presented with online

MANDATORY DOCUMENTS

• The passport for Mr Ben Hayward from British Citizen
• The passport issued by United States of America for Mrs Jenniffer Lagler
• Declaration signed by partner

OTHER DOCUMENTS

• The United States of America passport, identity card or official letter for Mrs Jenniffer Lynne Lagler to prove the level of English language required
• Documents supporting my other reasons to stay in the UK
• Evidence of Mr Ben David Hayward's settled status in the UK
• Evidence of council tax costs for the accommodation in the UK where you live or will live
• Evidence of monthly housing costs for the accommodation in the UK where you live or will live
• A Life in the UK test pass notification letter
• 6 letters and/or other documents addressed to you and your partner at the same address to show that you have been living together during the past 2.5 years
• All previous passports, travel documents or national identity cards that you have used to travel to or remain in the UK
• Personal bank statements corresponding to the same period(s) as the payslips showing that the salary has been paid into an account in the name of the person or in the name of the person and their partner jointly - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• Payslips covering any period of salaried employment (current and previous) in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• A letter from the employer(s) who issued the payslips confirming
  1. the employment;
  2. the gross annual salary;
  3. how long the employment has been/was held;
  4. the period over which the person has been paid the level of salary stated in their application; and
  5. the type of employment (permanent, fixed-term contract or agency) - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• A P60 for the relevant period(s) of employment relied upon - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• Current Biometric Residence Permit for Mrs Jenniffer Lynne Lagler

This list may not be complete.  If you were advised while filling out the application that you needed correspondence or birth certificate for your child, you should include it even if it's not on this list.

I rent and it asked for council tax and ‘housing costs’ evidence. The housing costs evidence is just a tenancy agreement, it mentioned it earlier in the application.

Yeah but my tenancy agreement has expired so I am providing an additional letter from the landlord saying we have permission to live there just to be sure.

This list may not be complete.  If you were advised while filling out the application that you needed correspondence or birth certificate for your child, you should include it even if it's not on this list.

That's what I was saying. It specifically does not ask for birth certificate of our child or any sort of proof that she exists! In the list and throughout the application

I am assuming she is not classed as a dependant child? Or is she?

Here is her application:

Check your answers

Check the information below before you continue to the next section.

Personal information

Title  Mrs
All given names  Jenniffer Lynne
Family name  Lagler

Telephone number   07XXXXXXXXX
Home address
XXXXXXXX
WIRRAL
XXXX XXX
(address verified)
I want to receive mail at a different address  No

What is your gender, as shown in your passport or travel document?  Female
What is your relationship status?  Married or a civil partner

Nationality details

Country of nationality  United States of America
Country of birth  United States of America
Place of birth  Pennsylvania
Date of birth  XX XXX 1987

Do you have a valid passport?  Yes
Passport number  XXXXX
Issuing authority  United States Department of State
Issue date  XX XXXX 2018
Expiry date  XX XXXX 2028
Confirm you can provide this passport  I can provide this passport if required 

Do you have a valid national identity card?  No 

Do you currently hold, or have you ever held, any other nationality or citizenship?  No

Do you have any family in your country of birth, nationality or any other country where you have lived for more than 5 years?  Yes
   Provide details (lists family, location and communications)
Do you have any friends in your country of birth, nationality or any other country where you have lived for more than 5 years?  Yes
   Provide details(lists close friends, location and communications)
Are you part of any social groups or do you have other cultural ties in your country of birth, nationality or any other country where you have lived for more than 5 years?  Yes
   Provide details  Penn State Alumni. State College PA. Undergraduate

Biometric residence permit details

Are you able to provide a biometric residence permit (BRP) card with this application?  Yes

Place of issue   UK
Enter your permit number   XXXXX
Issue date  9 January 2017
Expiry date  28 July 2019

Immigration details

Do you have any Home Office reference numbers?  Yes
Enter any Home Office reference numbers  (lists number from FLR in January)

Current status

What is your current National Insurance number?  XX 12 34 56 C

Personal information

Have you passed the Life in the UK test?  Yes
What languages do you speak fluently?   English
Time lived in the UK  5 years, 1 month
Have you been out of the UK since you started living here?  Yes

Absence details
Date you left the UK   4 July 2014
Date you returned to the UK  6 July 2014
Reason for this period of absence  Vacation

(lists a bunch more from visits etc)

Travel history (UK)

Have you ever been:◦refused a visa for the UK
◦deported from the UK
◦removed from the UK
◦required to leave the UK
◦refused entry at the UK border   No


Travel history (other)

Have you ever been:◦refused a visa for any country other than the UK
◦deported from any country other than the UK
◦removed from any country other than the UK
◦required to leave any country other than the UK
◦refused entry at the border of any country other than the UK   No


Convictions and other penalties

At any time have you ever had any of the following, in the UK or in another country?◦ A criminal conviction
◦ A penalty for a driving offence, for example disqualification for speeding or no motor insurance
◦ An arrest or charge for which you are currently on, or awaiting trial
◦ A caution, warning, reprimand or other penalty
◦ A civil court judgment against you, for example for non payment of debt, bankruptcy proceedings or anti-social behaviour
◦ A civil penalty issued under UK immigration law    No, I have never had any of these

Other history

In either peace or war time have you ever been involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity, or genocide? No ChangeWar crimes
Have you ever been involved in, supported or encouraged terrorist activities in any country? No ChangeTerrorist activities
Have you ever been a member of, or given support to, an organisation which has been concerned in terrorism? No ChangeTerrorist organisations
Have you, by any means or medium, expressed views that justify or glorify terrorist violence or that may encourage others to commit terrorist or other serious criminal acts? No ChangeTerrorist views
Have you ever engaged in any other activities which might indicate that you may not be considered to be a person of good character?   No

Current partner

Title  Mr
Given names  Ben David
Family name  Hayward

What is the gender of your partner, as shown on their passport or travel document?  Male

Country of nationality  British Citizen
Date of birth  XX XXXX 1989

What is your partner's basis for living in the UK?  British Citizen
How long have they had British citizenship?  From birth
I confirm I will provide:  Evidence of Mr Ben David Hayward's settled status in the UK

Spouse / partner details

Has your partner previously been sponsored as a partner of a settled person?  No

Current partner

What is your partner's current National Insurance number?   JH 12 34 56 A

Spouse / partner details

What languages does your partner speak fluently?  English

What languages do you and your partner use to communicate with each other?  English

When did you first meet your current partner?  15 March 2013

When did the relationship with your partner begin?  15 March 2013

Were you related to Mr Ben David Hayward before you became partners?  No

Are you and your partner married or in a civil partnership?  Yes

Were you married or in a civil partnership when you were last granted leave in this category?  Yes

When did you marry or enter a civil partnership?  25 February 2014
Where did you marry or enter a civil partnership?  City Clerks Office, 141 Worth St, New York, NY 10013, USA
What type of ceremony was your wedding or civil partnership?  Registry Office, legal wedding
Is or was this an arranged marriage?  No

What age were you when you entered into marriage or civil partnership with your partner?  26
What age was your partner at the time of the marriage or a civil partnership?  24 

Do you and your partner have any children together?  Yes
Do you have any children whose parent is not your partner?  No
Does your partner have any children living in the UK from a previous relationship?  No
Do you and your partner currently live together?  Yes

Current partner

How long has your partner lived in the UK?  30 years, 2 months

What is your partner's UK address?
XX XXXX
Wirral
XXXX XXX
How long has your partner lived at this address?  2 years, 6 months
Is this your partner's main residence?  Yes

Spouse / partner details

When did you and your partner begin living together?   11 May 2014
Have you lived with your partner permanently in the UK since being granted temporary leave as a partner?  Yes
Could you and your partner live together outside the UK if necessary?  Yes
Do you or your partner have any physical or mental conditions which require at home personal care or medical assistance?  No
Do you or your partner have any learning disabilities?   No

Relationship details

Are you currently married or in a civil partnership with another person? No
Have you previously been married or in a civil partnership?  No
 

Do we add our daughter as an additional applicant or not?

Do we add our daughter as an additional applicant or not?

No.  Your daughter is already a UK citizen from birth. She is a dependent child, but she is not applying for leave to remain as she's a UKC and doesn't need ILR.  It looks as though you have answered the questions correctly, so if they didn't ask for evidence of the child's residence when you responded to those questions (click to edit your responses and you can read what's on the page to make sure), I guess UKVI don't need it.  Still, I would try to have something on hand in case they ask for it.

It literally just says this which is the only entry point where I enter anything to do with having a child

We put that we had children, even though they are adult and not dependant, as the question does not qualify if the question refers to children over or under 18. We would have been lying if we answered 'no' and then went on to say that the reason we wanted to stay here was to be close to our children! We also provided their birth certificates and passport bio pages although we were not asked for them.


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We put that we had children, even though they are adult and not dependant, as the question does not qualify if the question refers to children over or under 18. We would have been lying if we answered 'no' and then went on to say that the reason we wanted to stay here was to be close to our children! We also provided their birth certificates and passport bio pages although we were not asked for them.


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Did you put them as added applicants? Or just tick 'yes' when asked if you had children?

Yeah but my tenancy agreement has expired so I am providing an additional letter from the landlord saying we have permission to live there just to be sure.

Does your tenancy agreement say on it that it will become a rolling tenancy on expiry? If so, you do not need a letter from the landlord.

The majority of people applying will be on a tenancy that has expired and turned into a rolling tenancy, so they will be familiar with the process.


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