ILR - okay where do we start?

And maybe put the council tax bill dated January 2017 to bridge the first gap?

As a side question - why is there such strictness on to the day compared to FLR(M) which was as long as you have mail in a four month window?

And maybe put the council tax bill dated January 2017 to bridge the first gap?

As a side question - why is there such strictness on to the day compared to FLR(M) which was as long as you have mail in a four month window?

It’s the same strictness for both FLR(M) and ILR. I’ve never advised anyone to have mail in a ‘4-month window’, for the last 12+ years I have always given the exact advice as I posted above... because the guidance states that the 6 documents should be evenly-spaced over either the 2 years (FLR(M)) or 2.5 years (ILR)... and evenly-spaced will mean 1 every 4 months for FLR and 1 every 5 months for ILR.

So, the documents for FLR(M) should be exactly 4 months apart (or as close as you can get) and if you have separate documents for one of the months they should be dated as close to each other as possible, ideally within a few days of each other. ILR is exactly the same, just with 5 months and not 4 months.


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Apologies ksand! I've had a misunderstanding all this time!

This is what I provided for FLR(M) which was accepted (thankfully!)

What do people think of option 2?

This is what we have so far

Applicant
- BRP Card
- Passport
- Expired Passport

Sponsor
- Passport
- Expired Passport required?
- Declaration

Child
- Birth certificate
- British Passport
- Letter to home address dated June 2019

Accommodation 
- Expired tenancy agreement
- Letter from landlord stating we are on a rolling rent agreement and happy for us to live here
- Latest Council Tax Bill

Employment 
- 12x payslips from June 2018 to June 2019 is this enough or will they need to see May 2018?
- Letter from employer stating role, permanent employee, how long I have worked there and how long I have held the certain salaries
- 12x Bank Statement showing funds earnings entering my account still have the question over appearance of different statements (see page 6). Do they need stamping or anything or will the difference be okay?
- latest P60

Correspondence
- questions still remaining on this

- Life in the UK Pass Certificate

- Marriage Certificate

Anybody at all??

You don't need:
- sponsor's expired passport
- Latest Council Tax Bill (at least you shouldn't need this, because it has no bearing on anything, but apparently the online application says you do)

Also, if you are applying Category A, you do NOT need 12 months of payslips and bank statements.

You only need 6 months.

If the application form is telling you to send 12 months because you ticked the 'not continuous' salary option due to a payrise, just ignore it. You ONLY need 12 months if you are applying Category B, and you would only need to do that if your previous salary was below £18,600.

You don't need:
- sponsor's expired passport
- Latest Council Tax Bill (at least you shouldn't need this, because it has no bearing on anything, but apparently the online application says you do)

Also, if you are applying Category A, you do NOT need 12 months of payslips and bank statements.

You only need 6 months.

If the application form is telling you to send 12 months because you ticked the 'not continuous' salary option due to a payrise, just ignore it. You ONLY need 12 months if you are applying Category B, and you would only need to do that if your previous salary was below £18,600.

Thanks ksand, but is it worth the risk providing just 6 months? The decider could think that I’ve strayed from the application requirement, even if it was the correct reason to do so, and I’d rather not run the risk

Thanks ksand, but is it worth the risk providing just 6 months? The decider could think that I’ve strayed from the application requirement, even if it was the correct reason to do so, and I’d rather not run the risk

But 12 months isn't an application requirement - from what I can tell, it's an error on the online application.

You are Category A and the whole point of Category A is that you ONLY have to provide 6 months of income evidence.

If you were still able to apply using the paper form, you would only have to provide 6 months. The immigration rules haven't changed, so there is no reason why you would suddenly have to provide 12 months instead of 6 months because someone didn't write the online application form correctly.

From Appendix FM-SE:

2. In respect of salaried employment in the UK (except where paragraph 9 applies), all of the following evidence must be provided:
(a) Payslips covering:
(i) a period of 6 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for at least 6 months (and where paragraph 13(b) of this Appendix does not apply);
or
(ii) any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months (or at least 6 months but the person does not rely on paragraph 13(a) of this Appendix), or in the financial year(s) relied upon by a self-employed person.

And Paragraphs 13a) and 13b):

Calculating Gross Annual Income under Appendix FM
13. Based on evidence that meets the requirements of this Appendix, and can be taken into account with reference to the applicable provisions of Appendix FM, gross annual income under paragraphs E-ECP.3.1., E-LTRP.3.1., E-ECC.2.1. and E-LTRC.2.1. will, subject to paragraph 21A of this Appendix, be calculated in the following ways:

(a) Where the person is in salaried employment in the UK at the date of application, has been employed by their current employer for at least 6 months and has been paid throughout the period of 6 months prior to the date of application at a level of gross annual salary which equals or exceeds the level relied upon in paragraph 13(a)(i), their gross annual income will be (where paragraph 13(b) does not apply) the total of:
(i) The level of gross annual salary relied upon in the application;
(ii) The gross amount of any specified non-employment income (other than pension income) received by them or their partner in the 12 months prior to the date of application; and
(iii) The gross annual income from a UK or foreign State pension or a private pension received by them or their partner.

(b) Where the person is in salaried employment in the UK at the date of application and has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months (or at least 6 months but the person does not rely on paragraph 13(a)), their gross annual income will be the total of:
(i) The gross annual salary from employment as it was at the date of application;
(ii) The gross amount of any specified non-employment income (other than pension income) received by them or their partner in the 12 months prior to the date of application; and
(iii) The gross annual income from a UK or foreign State pension or a private pension received by them or their partner. In addition, the requirements of paragraph 15 must be met.

Okay ksand, I will submit six months worth. Which brings me onto my next point.

I get paid on the 21st of every month (or the Friday before if it falls on a Saturday or Sunday). It does not state the paid period, merely says ‘month 6’ for example. How many payslips do I need? 6 or 7?

And on the payslips questions! I work for a company called one thing but my payslips are ‘from’ the group that own us. Would this need clarifying in the letter proving their authencity because the names don’t match?

Okay ksand, I will submit six months worth.

Which brings me onto my next point.

I get paid on the 21st of every month (or the Friday before if it falls on a Saturday or Sunday). It does not state the paid period, merely says ‘month 6’ for example. How many payslips do I need? 6 or 7?

If it only states the 21st of the month on the payslip, then your 6 months for the visa will be Dec 21st to June 21st, which means you'll need 7 months in order to cover all the way back to the day of Dec 21st:
1. Dec 21st
2. Jan 21st
3. Feb 21st
4. Mar 21st
5. Apr 21st
6. May 21st
7. June 21st
And your bank statements will need to cover every day from Dec 21st to June 21st (so, for example, you might submit full months of bank statements from December 1st to June 30th.

And on the payslips questions! I work for a company called one thing but my payslips are ‘from’ the group that own us. Would this need clarifying in the letter proving their authencity because the names don’t match?

Yes, I would have the employer confirm the name of the company that issues the payslips.

This is what I am presented with online

MANDATORY DOCUMENTS

• The passport for Mr Ben Hayward from British Citizen
• The passport issued by United States of America for Mrs Jenniffer Lagler
• Declaration signed by partner

OTHER DOCUMENTS

• The United States of America passport, identity card or official letter for Mrs Jenniffer Lynne Lagler to prove the level of English language required
• Documents supporting my other reasons to stay in the UK
• Evidence of Mr Ben David Hayward's settled status in the UK
• Evidence of council tax costs for the accommodation in the UK where you live or will live
• Evidence of monthly housing costs for the accommodation in the UK where you live or will live
• A Life in the UK test pass notification letter
• 6 letters and/or other documents addressed to you and your partner at the same address to show that you have been living together during the past 2.5 years
• All previous passports, travel documents or national identity cards that you have used to travel to or remain in the UK
• Personal bank statements corresponding to the same period(s) as the payslips showing that the salary has been paid into an account in the name of the person or in the name of the person and their partner jointly - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• Payslips covering any period of salaried employment (current and previous) in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• A letter from the employer(s) who issued the payslips confirming
  1. the employment;
  2. the gross annual salary;
  3. how long the employment has been/was held;
  4. the period over which the person has been paid the level of salary stated in their application; and
  5. the type of employment (permanent, fixed-term contract or agency) - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• A P60 for the relevant period(s) of employment relied upon - for Mr Ben David Hayward for Manufacturing Engineer
• Current Biometric Residence Permit for Mrs Jenniffer Lynne Lagler

Does everybody need to submit a P60, or is this because you submitted your financial requirement under "not continous but above MIR"? Does anyone know?

Does everybody need to submit a P60, or is this because you submitted your financial requirement under "not continous but above MIR"? Does anyone know?

A P60 is not a required document for anyone, however, the financial requirements state that they may ask to see both the original job contract and latest P60 so we suggest sending them just in case.

Mandatory financial documents:
- 6 or 12 months of payslips
- 6 or 12 months of bank statements
- employer letter

Optional but recommended financial documents:
- original job contract
- latest P60


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Does everybody need to submit a P60, or is this because you submitted your financial requirement under "not continous but above MIR"? Does anyone know?

No, not everybody needs to submit a P60. I didn't. I've never had to so I cant say when you would need to, sorry

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Okay,  going by the second list you posted, you have almost 7 months between documents 1 and 2 (early Jan 2017 and late July 2017), which is too long and then you have only 4 months between documents 2 and 3 (late July 2017 and Nov 2017), which is too short.

Then for document 4, you have almost a month between the applicant and the sponsor's documents (23rd April and 15th May) - and they need to be dated in the same month as each other, preferably in the same week, to show you were both living in the house on the same dates... also, mid-May is too late, as it's 6 months after Nov 2017.

Document 5 (Sept 2018) is then only 4 months after the sponsor's document from May, which is too short a time between them.

Same with document 6 (Jan 2019), which is only 4 months after document 5 - again too short a time.

Looking at your choice of documents from the previous post, I would suggest:

January 2017
1. Joint council tax bill (3rd January 2017)

June 2017
2. Applicant - ?
2. Sponsor - ?
(no suitably dated documents in your list - you want something dated early-mid June at the latest)

November 2017
3. Applicant - Bank Credit Terms Change (November 2017)
3. Sponsor - EON Gas Bill (November 2017)

April 2018
4. Applicant - ? (need something dated mid-late April)
4. Sponsor - EON Gas Bill (23rd April 2018)

September 2018
5. Applicant - Bank Direct Debit Letter (18th September 2018)
5. Sponsor - Pension Letter (September 2018)

February 2019
6. Applicant -  ? (need something dated in February)
6. Sponsor - EON Gas Bill (February 2019)

Holy freaking crap, Are they really getting down to the week? What happened to things being within the same month? Needing something to be dated mid-month because the last one was dated mid-month? SERIOUSLY? What is wrong with them?