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Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« on: July 02, 2019, 04:09:30 PM »
Hi folks,

So Lynn (US citizen) and I (UK citizen) got married 18 June in the USA after 5 years in a transatlatic relationship.  Lynn has changed her surname (family name) on her passport, driver's license, social security and at the bank - so all of the official stuff. Today (Jul 2nd), Lynn has started the online visa application process (settelement visa for a spouse - is this the right one???). Just for your information, Lynn paid to expedite her passport and it took just 8 days to get it back (result  :))

She has completed the follwing sections: (1) Passport and Trave lnformation, (2) Personal Details and Travel History, (3) Family Details, (4) Emplyment, (5) Medical Treatment, (6) Sponsor Details,(7)  English Language and (8) Additional Information - worryingly easy!  She is now at the point where she has the option to click on the Confirm Application buton, which leads to a couple of questions:

        1. Seeking assurance: clicking the Confirm Application button is not the same as submitting the application?

        2. What comes next after clicking the Confirm Application button? We think it will be proving evidence of our relationship etc.

All advice at this crtical stage welcome.

Kind regards,

Bob
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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2019, 05:17:29 PM »
Congratulations on your wedding :).

She should not submit the online application until she has ALL of her supporting documents in her hands and is completely ready to mail them to New York for processing.

Most of the supporting documents will need to come from you in the U.K. and be mailed to her in the US.

Has she printed and completed VAF4a Appendix 2, which is the second half of the application form and contains all the questions about how she qualifies for a spousal visa.

- Which financial requirement category do you meet? Do you have all your original payslips, bank statements, employer letter, P60 and job contract all ready to go?

- Where will you live together in the UK? Do you have all the paperwork for it, and permission for her to live in the property?

- Does she have all the relationship evidence (covering your whole relationship) sorted and ready to send?




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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2019, 05:21:31 PM »
It can take several weeks for the documents to be gathered, and be in exactly the correct format to meet the requirements. So she should not rush into the online application.

VAF4a Appendix 2 is here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-uk-visa-for-family-settlement-form-vaf4a

Financial requirement categories and required documents are here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/783641/Appendix-FM-1-7-Financial-Requirement-ext_1_.pdf

Document and evidence requirements are here (mainly for the financial requirements):
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-fm-se-family-members-specified-evidence



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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2019, 09:46:30 PM »
Congratulations on your wedding :).

She should not submit the online application until she has ALL of her supporting documents in her hands and is completely ready to mail them to New York for processing.

Most of the supporting documents will need to come from you in the U.K. and be mailed to her in the US.

Has she printed and completed VAF4a Appendix 2, which is the second half of the application form and contains all the questions about how she qualifies for a spousal visa.

- Which financial requirement category do you meet? Do you have all your original payslips, bank statements, employer letter, P60 and job contract all ready to go?

- Where will you live together in the UK? Do you have all the paperwork for it, and permission for her to live in the property?

- Does she have all the relationship evidence (covering your whole relationship) sorted and ready to send?




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Is a p60 needed if you have

6 months statements
6 months payslips
employer letter

?

Thank you


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2019, 09:56:11 PM »
Is a p60 needed if you have

6 months statements
6 months payslips
employer letter

?

Thank you

Mandatory documents are:
- 6 or 12 full months (depending on category) of payslips, the latest dated no more than 28 days before the online application date
- 6 or 12 full months (depending on category) of bank statements showing the deposit of every single payslip, the latest dated no more than 28 days before the online application date
- employer letter dated no more than 28 days before the online application date, stating ALL of the following:
i) current employment and salary
ii) length of employment
iii) length of time earning current salary
iv) type of employment

Optional but recommended documents, as they may ask for them:
- latest P60
- original job contract


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2019, 10:04:08 PM »
Mandatory documents are:
- 6 or 12 full months (depending on category) of payslips, the latest dated no more than 28 days before the online application date
- 6 or 12 full months (depending on category) of bank statements showing the deposit of every single payslip, the latest dated no more than 28 days before the online application date
- employer letter dated no more than 28 days before the online application date, stating ALL of the following:
i) current employment and salary
ii) length of employment
iii) length of time earning current salary
iv) type of employment

Optional but recommended documents, as they may ask for them:
- latest P60
- original job contract

Thanks

If Employer letter states

Length of Employment : (>5 years)
Status (Permanent)
Position
Salary (well above the base)

Would they reject on no comment on length on current salary? Would a promotion slip/ salary change letter stating when salary changed in addition to this make it ok?

My co do not offer with the length of time on x salary


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2019, 10:53:14 PM »
Would they reject on no comment on length on current salary? Would a promotion slip/ salary change letter stating when salary changed in addition to this make it ok?

My co do not offer with the length of time on x salary

Every single point above MUST be addressed in the letter, or the visa will be refused. So, your employer has to explicitly state the date that you started earning your current salary, as they will use that date to work out if your salary qualifies.

If you have had a salary increase in the last 6 months, the letter must also state what that previous salary was, because if you have not been earning your current salary for at least 6 months, they can only consider your previous salary towards the income requirement. So when they check your payslips, in order to work out the annual salary that can be counted for the visa, they will take the lowest payslip you have provided and multiply it by 12.

Your payslips and bank statements must also cover every single day of the 6- or 12-months you are using, and they must meet the correct formatting requirements as listed in Appendix FM-SE:

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(a) Bank statements must:
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(v) be:
(1) on official bank stationery;
or
(2) electronic bank statements which are either accompanied by a letter from the bank on its headed stationery confirming that the documents are authentic or which bear the official stamp of the issuing bank on every page.

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(bb) Payslips must be:
(i) formal payslips issued by the employer and showing the employer’s name;
or
(ii) accompanied by a letter from the employer, on the employer’s headed paper and signed by a senior official, confirming the payslips are authentic;

In the past, we have also seen refusals because the letter wasn't printed on 'official enough' paper (they didn't believe it was a genuine company), and because there were unexplained discrepancies between the payslip dates and amounts, and the dates and amounts on the bank statement deposits... because those discrepancies were not explained in the employer letter.


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2019, 02:29:33 PM »
Every single point above MUST be addressed in the letter, or the visa will be refused. So, your employer has to explicitly state the date that you started earning your current salary, as they will use that date to work out if your salary qualifies.

If you have had a salary increase in the last 6 months, the letter must also state what that previous salary was, because if you have not been earning your current salary for at least 6 months, they can only consider your previous salary towards the income requirement. So when they check your payslips, in order to work out the annual salary that can be counted for the visa, they will take the lowest payslip you have provided and multiply it by 12.

Your payslips and bank statements must also cover every single day of the 6- or 12-months you are using, and they must meet the correct formatting requirements as listed in Appendix FM-SE:

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In the past, we have also seen refusals because the letter wasn't printed on 'official enough' paper (they didn't believe it was a genuine company), and because there were unexplained discrepancies between the payslip dates and amounts, and the dates and amounts on the bank statement deposits... because those discrepancies were not explained in the employer letter.

Understood
Re bank statements. I have originals delivered in post now covering full 6m. Today’s date isn’t on every page, but obviously it goes up to a date within 28 days of the app and states page (1/20) and thus clearly correctly dated...


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2019, 03:46:27 PM »
...thank you for the speed and helpfulness of your response - it all makes perfect sense now. A couple of questions arise regarding meeting the financial requirement.

Q1.  I am in receipt of an Armed Forces Pension, which more than covers the requirement and is payable for life. Having read the Immigration Rules Appendix FM-SE: Family Members Specified, it looks like I have to provide my annual pension statement which is provided by the company managing Armed Forces Pensions and '(ii) At least one personal bank statement in the 12-month period prior to the date of application showing payment of the pension into the person's account'. Seems too easy. Can this bank statement be outside the 28 days and should I provide more than one bank statement??? Also, is it acceptable to redact other entires on the bank statement?

Q2.  As an additional level of proof, should I also include my latest P60, which shows las years income which was solely my pension???

Lynn has competed but not submitted all sections of the online visa application and is now busy putting together word documents with proof of text messages (screen shots), correspondence, emails and time spent together (a cruise and time spent in the UK/USA etc) covering the entire period of our relationship. However, we have a question about the website route for completing the online application.  Lynn has used the visa4uk website and as I said she has completed and saved all sections ready to go.  That said, she has also looked at the visas-immigration.service.gov.uk website, which seems clearer to follow and, having answered the first few questions, she arrived at the 'register your email' page.  So to my 3rd question:

Q3.  Which website should Lynn use???

Two final questions (sorry to be a pain):

Q4.  Does Lynn need a copy of the photo page of my (UK) passport to submit with the application?

Q5.  Do I need to complete a sponsor’s covering letter given that I can easily meet the financial requirement and own outright my property?

Many thanks in advance,

Bob  :)


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2019, 04:02:29 PM »
Understood
Re bank statements. I have originals delivered in post now covering full 6m. Today’s date isn’t on every page, but obviously it goes up to a date within 28 days of the app and states page (1/20) and thus clearly correctly dated...

What dates are printed on your bank statements? You have to cover a full 6 months of dates on those, and then the bank statements must cover at least all of those dates. This may mean including 7 months of each to cover every day of the 6 months.

So, for example, say you get paid on the 25th of each month and your most recent payslip is dated June 25th, and that's the only date on it... then your 6 months will be December 25th to June 25th.

This means that you will need to send the following payslips to cover every day from Dec 25th onwards:
1. Dec 25th
2. Jan 25th
3. Feb 25th
4. Mar 25th
5. Apr 25th
6. May 25th
7. June 25th

And to cover all of those dates on your bank statements, you might then send the following statements:
1. Dec 1st-31st
2. Jan 1st-31st
3. Feb 1st-28th
4. Mar 1st-31st
5. Apr 1st-30th
6. May 1st-31st
7. June 1st-30th


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2019, 04:15:01 PM »
Q1.  I am in receipt of an Armed Forces Pension, which more than covers the requirement and is payable for life. Having read the Immigration Rules Appendix FM-SE: Family Members Specified, it looks like I have to provide my annual pension statement which is provided by the company managing Armed Forces Pensions and '(ii) At least one personal bank statement in the 12-month period prior to the date of application showing payment of the pension into the person's account'. Seems too easy. Can this bank statement be outside the 28 days and should I provide more than one bank statement??? Also, is it acceptable to redact other entires on the bank statement?

Ah, if you are using pension income, then just ignore my post above about payslips :P.

Don't redact ANYTHING on the bank statements - they cannot be altered or changed in any way, or they may not be considered original. The only thing they will check on the bank statements is the deposit of your pension income - they will not look at any other transactions.

Not sure on the date of the bank statement, because the rule is that if you are providing bank statements for a period ending on the date of application, the most recent bank statement must be dated within the last 28 days before applying.

Personally, I would include at least your most recent bank statement showing the pension income. If you wanted to be safe, you could include all 12 months of statements, but I would at least send maybe 2 or 3 months, if not more.

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Q2.  As an additional level of proof, should I also include my latest P60, which shows las years income which was solely my pension???

You don't have to, as the only documents they need are the bank statement and the confirmation of your entitlement to the pension.

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Lynn has competed but not submitted all sections of the online visa application and is now busy putting together word documents with proof of text messages (screen shots), correspondence, emails and time spent together (a cruise and time spent in the UK/USA etc) covering the entire period of our relationship.

For the relationship evidence, she will want to send:
- your marriage certificate
- 1 or 2 photos of you together
- boarding passes or etickets from flights to see each other
- any letters/cards mailed to each other
- no more than 2-3 pages of correspondence screenshots for each communication type. No message content should be included, just a list of dates/names/times covering the length of time you communicated using each method (i.e. email, text, IM, calls)

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However, we have a question about the website route for completing the online application.  Lynn has used the visa4uk website and as I said she has completed and saved all sections ready to go.  That said, she has also looked at the visas-immigration.service.gov.uk website, which seems clearer to follow and, having answered the first few questions, she arrived at the 'register your email' page.  So to my 3rd question:

Q3.  Which website should Lynn use???

Honestly, I'm not sure anymore - they are in the process of changing from the visa4UK form plus Appendix 2, to the new online application which I believe has Appendix 2 included in it, but at the moment, I think both can still be used.

Most people here on the forum have applied using the visa4UK site and the paper Appendix 2, because the new form was only made available in the last few weeks. A couple of people have used the new online form though, so I think it's up to you, really.

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Two final questions (sorry to be a pain):

Q4.  Does Lynn need a copy of the photo page of my (UK) passport to submit with the application?

Yes, that is a requirement. Only the photo page is needed and it can either be a photocopy or a certified copy.

You also need to write a sponsor letter of support for the visa, addressing how you meet each requirement (your UK citizenship, the financial requirement, UK accommodation), a short history of your relationship and why you want to settle in the UK together.

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Q5.  Do I need to complete a sponsor’s covering letter given that I can easily meet the financial requirement and own outright my property?

As I just mentioned above (before I read this question), yes, the sponsor letter is a requirement. The visa can be refused without it, because they need written confirmation from you that you are in support of the application and you can meet the requirements to get the visa.

It should include:
Paragraph 1: how you qualify to be a sponsor (your UK citizenship)
Paragraph 2: how you meet the financial requirement and which category you are using
Paragraph 3: where you will live together in the UK, including property details (you will need to send your Land Registry document)
Paragraph 4: short history of the relationship - no emotions, just dates and facts (where/when you met, how often you see each other, how you keep in touch, where/when you got engaged and married), and the reason you are choosing to settle in the UK together instead of the US or another country


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2019, 08:41:21 PM »
What dates are printed on your bank statements? You have to cover a full 6 months of dates on those, and then the bank statements must cover at least all of those dates. This may mean including 7 months of each to cover every day of the 6 months.

So, for example, say you get paid on the 25th of each month and your most recent payslip is dated June 25th, and that's the only date on it... then your 6 months will be December 25th to June 25th.

This means that you will need to send the following payslips to cover every day from Dec 25th onwards:
1. Dec 25th
2. Jan 25th
3. Feb 25th
4. Mar 25th
5. Apr 25th
6. May 25th
7. June 25th

And to cover all of those dates on your bank statements, you might then send the following statements:
1. Dec 1st-31st
2. Jan 1st-31st
3. Feb 1st-28th
4. Mar 1st-31st
5. Apr 1st-30th
6. May 1st-31st
7. June 1st-30th

Payslips
Jan 1st-31st
Feb 1st-28th
Mar 1st-31st
Apr 1st-30th
May 1st-31st
June 1st-30th

Bank statements (physically delivered)
12 Dec - 26 June

Branch printout (signed stamped)
1June - 1st july

= both cover 6 months, thus satisfying requirements?

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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2019, 09:26:25 PM »
Payslips
Jan 1st-31st
Feb 1st-28th
Mar 1st-31st
Apr 1st-30th
May 1st-31st
June 1st-30th

Bank statements (physically delivered)
12 Dec - 26 June

Branch printout (signed stamped)
1June - 1st july

= both cover 6 months, thus satisfying requirements?

Thanks

As long as the payslips explicitly state the pay period dates 1st-31st Jan on them, then yes, those documents meet the requirements.

However, if they only state 31st Jan and not that they cover the whole month from the 1st, you will also need the December payslip and bank statement as well, because your 6 months will be December 30th to June 30th, and you’ll need to show pay for the day of December 30th.


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2019, 09:41:43 PM »
As long as the payslips explicitly state the pay period dates 1st-31st Jan on them, then yes, those documents meet the requirements.

However, if they only state 31st Jan and not that they cover the whole month from the 1st, you will also need the December payslip and bank statement as well, because your 6 months will be December 30th to June 30th, and you’ll need to show pay for the day of December 30th.


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They are explicit.
Ksand thank you so much. I am so grateful to you.
Just submitted app.
Question. On VFS website I have found the Priority Visa ($759) item to purchase, but for the labels it seems like it is only possible for return?

The round trip package says (NOT AVAILABLE AT USA - APPLICATION SUPPORT CENTRE)

Can you remember or see on the website the option for labels?

Thank you.


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Re: Non-Priority Spouse Visa Application in Progress
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2019, 09:59:07 PM »
Yeah, that’s a problem with the VFS website unfortunately - it only says you can buy the shipping labels if you use a Premium Centre, but you don’t need them if you use the Premium Centre!

It’d probably be easiest just to take the documents to a UPS store in the US and purchase the shipping labels from them, since the ‘courier service’ on the VFS site is nothing more than prepaid UPS labels.

One other thing you can now do is upload the documents to the VFS website instead of mailing them to New York... so you just mail the application forms, stamped biometrics letter and passports etc.

Then the applicant just keeps the original documents safe at home in case they request them to be resent.


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