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64 countries ranked, UK came in at 58, just above India and Turkey. 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/the-10-worst-countries-to-live-in-the-world-as-an-expat-230131660.html

Here's the best places:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/best-places-in-the-world-to-live-as-an-expat-080003590.html

Taiwan, Vietnam and Czech Republic are at the top of the list. 

I'm not sure I agree wholeheartedly, as there's plenty of good things here.  I think this is skewed towards actual expats (someone who moves because of a job ) and doesn't really match the experiences of people who live here.


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Re: UK ranks highly as the worst place in the world to live as an expat
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2019, 02:35:10 PM »
64 countries ranked, UK came in at 58, just above India and Turkey. 

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/the-10-worst-countries-to-live-in-the-world-as-an-expat-230131660.html

Here's the best places:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/best-places-in-the-world-to-live-as-an-expat-080003590.html

Taiwan, Vietnam and Czech Republic are at the top of the list. 

I'm not sure I agree wholeheartedly, as there's plenty of good things here.  I think this is skewed towards actual expats (someone who moves because of a job ) and doesn't really match the experiences of people who live here.

Yeah, being assigned over here for a job or a deployment is a very different thing than voluntarily deciding you want to move over here to live. I can definitely see how that might color the ratings.  There are many lovely things about this country, and some seriously annoying negatives. But, then, that works everywhere. I can think of some things about the USA, for example, that I am very glad that we have left behind. As well as many things we miss. (Sometimes quite a bit.)  I do think, though, that if you're brought up in one culture with almost no exposure to any other, and suddenly are plopped into a different one (and the UK is NOT like the USA, aside from a generally-shared base language) it could be like being thrown off a boat into the North Atlantic. In winter.  ;) ;)

And then there's Brexit, and the resurfacing ethnocentrism one encounters from time to time, as "an outsider."  8)
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Re: UK ranks highly as the worst place in the world to live as an expat
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2019, 03:00:21 PM »
I think I could work in many countries if the money is right, but it is usually harder for the non working spouse and children to adapt to a new country, particularly if the culture and language is far different from their own.

And then there are the best countries to retire to. Panama is ranked best, and having known a couple who worked there for about 8 years I can say that they had nothing but praise for it and the people there.

If you are looking for an English speaking country to retire to then Ireland is highest on the list, the 18th best, as ranked in this list.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/worlds-best-countries-to-retire-abroad-2019/
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2019, 04:05:51 PM »
I’m dubious about the idea of going somewhere far away to retire.  I like Thailand, but once I’m drooling and incontinent I’m sure the charm will wear off and I’ll just want to die near my family. 

My old neighbor went to Portugal to retire but as soon as his health started going downhill he was back here for the NHS


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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2019, 05:52:29 PM »
I think I could work in many countries if the money is right, but it is usually harder for the non working spouse and children to adapt to a new country, particularly if the culture and language is far different from their own.

And then there are the best countries to retire to. Panama is ranked best, and having known a couple who worked there for about 8 years I can say that they had nothing but praise for it and the people there.

If you are looking for an English speaking country to retire to then Ireland is highest on the list, the 18th best, as ranked in this list.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/worlds-best-countries-to-retire-abroad-2019/

Too bad the taxes are so ghastly and the housing in such short supply in Ireland.

Panama. Ah, the land of biting bugs, steamy hot weather, more bugs....  It doesn't sound like a great place to retire to, to me! But then, I chose Scotland, so that shows how well my brain does (or doesn't) work!
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2019, 08:42:21 PM »
Too bad the taxes are so ghastly and the housing in such short supply in Ireland.

Panama. Ah, the land of biting bugs, steamy hot weather, more bugs....  It doesn't sound like a great place to retire to, to me! But then, I chose Scotland, so that shows how well my brain does (or doesn't) work!

When it comes to settling down later in life I think the heart often trumps the brain.
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Re: UK ranks highly as the worst place in the world to live as an expat
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 06:38:26 PM »
AHA, finally some GOOD news!


ALL loyalist and republican marches planned in Glasgow this weekend have been prohibited. Glasgow City Council has taken the unprecedented step to ban six public processions following advice from Police Scotland.  The decision was made after two weekends of violence, with large protests against marches across the city. Processions had been organised for Saturday by Bridgeton Protestant Boys Flute Band, Pride of the North Flute Band, Republican Network for Unity and the Whiteinch Orange and Purple District, which was planning to march in two separate locations. Partick Orange and Purple District had arranged to march on Sunday. The organisers can appeal the decisions made by the council.

A council spokesman said: "A meeting of the city’s Public Processions Committee has ordered the prohibition of six marches that had been due to take place this weekend. "The council has always been clear that the law expects it to facilitate public processions; including those that some people oppose or find offensive."However, the right to march has to be balanced against the rights of people and communities across Glasgow. Today, committee has acted to protect the interests of those communities - taking into account the threat to public safety and the likelihood of widespread disruption and disorder. Its decisions follow the recommendations made by the Chief Executive, having also considered expert evidence on behalf of the Chief Constable of Police Scotland. The city has already witnessed an unacceptable level of disruption and disorder associated with parades and counter-protests in recent weeks. It is clear, both from the intelligence gathered by police and the tone of comments made by supporters and protestors, that tensions are high and the situation threatens to deteriorate further....


 https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/17896252.republican-loyalist-marches-weekend-banned-glasgow-city-council/


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Re: UK ranks highly as the worst place in the world to live as an expat
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2019, 08:09:28 AM »
Looks like good news on the face of it, but I'm not sure how happy I am for council to decide who can express a political opinion. 

Why not just arrest those that are causing trouble?  Repeat as necessary.


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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2019, 10:24:12 AM »
I believe it's because last weekend cost them (I think the figure was) £300,000 in policing costs, and that doesn't begin to look at the economic damage. And then there's the poor cop who got a flare to the face. The city can't afford that to have that go on.  And, from what I'm reading (and there is absolutely no way to know how accurate that is) the tensions are ramping up badly. Supposedly there are police infiltrators on both sides gathering that info? So, let that go on and deal with the aftermath, maybe some cars/buildings burnt or people killed, or prohibit it?  Philosophically, yes, everyone should have a right to peacefully march to express whatever cause they happen to espouse. That would mean that they'd also have to let Nazis or the KKK march if they applied for a permit. Distasteful, but their "right" under the law here.  Realistically, however, this is not working. It's a dysfunctional situation and leading to serious public disorder.  Peaceful demonstrations are one thing. Riots are not in the same league.

I'm not sure it's terribly easy to arrest every rioter, either. Do you arrest the guy who first throws the brick that hits the other guy in the head, or the people who then respond in kind? Given all variables, I have to agree with them that it's best to just prohibit the marches.  If they were "just" marches, political or otherwise, I'd have no objection (although the business owners on the routes may have, and people trying to use the public transportation that gets discontinued). These are marching provocations, and violence is becoming more common and more serious. I don't care which side is marching - although it does appear that the violence is pretty much targeted at the Irish from the Orange orders. So do they just summarily put all the Orange order types in jail for the weekend, and then give them the statutory slap on the wrist that passes for consequences here because they can't play well with other children? At what cost?

In kindergarten it was always that things are taken away if the kiddies can't share/play well with them. I'm not sure that's not a good idea for this. Again, if it was just marching, that's one thing. Gangs of thugs attacking the marchers and the ensuing riots is quite another.
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Re: UK ranks highly as the worst place in the world to live as an expat
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2019, 09:00:02 AM »
My personal feeling is that if you hate it so much here, leave. Nowhere is perfect. I actually laughed when I read the heading. It cannot be that bad, can it? Yes, it can be miserable when the weather is s**t and there is rampant racism here and anti foreigner sentiment, but you get that in most countries, don't you? Including the USA. Last time I checked, Britain wasn't putting up a huge, ghastly wall. Nor do they detain illegal immigrants and separate them from their children. Nor do they expect low income citizens to live without access to health care.  If it were so bad here, why are so many people desperately trying to come here?


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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2019, 10:41:58 AM »
My personal feeling is that if you hate it so much here, leave.
The article was about people who move to a foreign country on a temporary basis because of work.  They can't leave without losing their job.   


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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2019, 12:00:24 PM »
The article was about people who move to a foreign country on a temporary basis because of work.  They can't leave without losing their job.

Exactly, let's keep on topic.
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