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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2019, 07:30:46 PM »
Does anyone know what kind of proof the UKVI is looking for, for proof of marriage?

Texas issues a marriage license, it doesnt issue a marriage certificate. The marriage license itself is the grandiose document signed by the officiant on the day of the wedding. It bears a gold seal. The only next step up from here is to send a certified copy to the state offices and they can verify that its real, but that doesn't seem any more official than exactly what is issued to married couples from the county.

Anyone know if this big fancy license will pass muster? Again it's all that they issue, and it was signed by the officiant on the day of the wedding saying she joined my wife and I in matrimony at such and such date and time. It's not like I have an option, as I dont have time to wait on the state to send anything back to me.

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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2019, 07:39:11 PM »
Does anyone know what kind of proof the UKVI is looking for, for proof of marriage?

Texas issues a marriage license, it doesnt issue a marriage certificate. The marriage license itself is the grandiose document signed by the officiant on the day of the wedding. It bears a gold seal. The only next step up from here is to send a certified copy to the state offices and they can verify that its real, but that doesn't seem any more official than exactly what is issued to married couples from the county.

Anyone know if this big fancy license will pass muster? Again it's all that they issue, and it was signed by the officiant on the day of the wedding saying she joined my wife and I in matrimony at such and such date and time. It's not like I have an option, as I dont have time to wait on the state to send anything back to me.

Thanks!

What you have there is what you need to provide.


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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2019, 07:49:37 PM »
What you have there is what you need to provide.

Thank you for the quick reply! I'm really sweating every detail. Thank you.

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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2019, 08:02:53 PM »
Thank you for the quick reply! I'm really sweating every detail. Thank you.

I hear you!  :)  But it's far better to address every little question before you apply. The wait is hard. The less you have to second guess, the better!


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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2019, 03:25:55 AM »
Big question!

As I understand it (and as the Appendix FM:SE still states), applicants can apply under Category A or Category B. Of course, Cat. A is for those employed continuously by the same employer for 6 or more months, and under Cat. A one need only produce evidence covering those 6 months, showing 9,300 or more in earnings in that period. Cat. B is for those with employment for less than 6 months, or who otherwise don't meet the financial requirement based on 6 months alone, and will have to provide evidence for 12 months, showing 18,600 or more in earnings in those 12 months. I know senior members will roll their eyes at this haha but I just want to write it out clearly for anyone reading as green as I am.


Here's where it gets confusing.. for me anyway. The application DOES NOT ask about Category A or Category B. It asks if "they have been employed by the same employer for the last 6 months prior to the application. Upon answering "Yes" ( I don't know what happens if you answer "No"), you are asked "What do they earn?" with options of, "Same amount continuously above the financial requirement amount", "Same amount continuously below the requirement amount", "Not the same amount continuously, above the required amount", and "Not the same amount, below the required amount"

Now, my sponsoring wife earns the same amount in monthly pay, that amount is just above the 1550 cut off (if salaried), as she has a fixed number of hours a week (40). However, she is also paid for overtime and various other payments which some months put her a few hundred up.

If I answer that she earns 'the same amount continuously, above the required amount', then it doesn't ask for any further employment or financial documents details, it just moves me right along to giving the employer contact. It does ask if there's anything else I'd like to say about the application, but that's it.

If I answer that she earns "not the same amount continuously, above the required amount", then I am taken to a different page entirely than had I answered in the above way. Instead I am to tick boxes affirming that I'll provide the following as evidence, "Payslips covering any period of salaried employment (current and previous) in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application" (exact words); a Letter of Employment with the same guidelines as given in the Specified Evidence (they now split confirmation of employment and confirmation of salary into separate lines so now a total of 5 bullet points); and Bank Statements corresponding to the payslips.

Now what is confusing, is that I am inclined that the page which asks about all this evidence is what I want, as we are submitting those things, except that, I/we are providing 7 months of payslips, and it asks about any period in the 12 months prior to the application. Which makes me think that this is Category B.

Does anyone know what exactly is meant here? Does my wife earn the same amount, or not the same amount, and why is it the case that if I say she does not earn the same amount, I am asked about providing evidence which I would think is still required even if I had answer that she earns "the same amount"? And finally, why is it that it asks about Payslips from any period in 12 months from current and any previous employers, which sounds an awful lot like Category B?

Argh!! Is the new application more, or less, opaque than before? I looked at the Appendix 2 previously and it seemed much clearer honestly.



EDIT: As another question, it also asks if I will be providing a P90 or a Signed contract of my wife's employment. I have a contract I can provide, but it is an original from last March. If I were to submit the employment contract, would it need to be dated within 28 days of the application date? Or is that strictly for the payslips, employment letter, bank statements, sponsor letter, homeowner letter (all of these are signed and dated)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2019, 07:43:36 AM by YorkshireTexan »
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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2019, 12:04:43 PM »
You only want to be considering her fixed, base salary, not including any overtime or bonuses, so I would tick:

"Same amount continuously above the financial requirement amount"

Basically, since you are Category A, you do NOT want to tick any option that tells you to supply 12 months of payslips/bank statements, because as you point out, that is for Category B.

Argh!! Is the new application more, or less, opaque than before? I looked at the Appendix 2 previously and it seemed much clearer honestly.

Every time they change something, the process and instructions become more confusing and opaque :(. The old UKBA website (before it became UKVI) was nice and detailed and easy to understand, and then they redesigned the entire gov.uk website and the majority of the useful information was deleted :(.

EDIT: As another question, it also asks if I will be providing a P90 or a Signed contract of my wife's employment. I have a contract I can provide, but it is an original from last March. If I were to submit the employment contract, would it need to be dated within 28 days of the application date? Or is that strictly for the payslips, employment letter, bank statements, sponsor letter, homeowner letter (all of these are signed and dated)

No, the contract should be the original document that was issued and signed at the beginning of the employment... whenever that was.

You can include her latest P60 as well if you like (as they can ask for it), though because P60s are only issued in April each year and the latest one will only cover her earnings from April 6th 2018 to April 5th 2019, it's not that important to include it as it won't be relevant to her last 6 months of income.

The ONLY things that must be dated within 28 days of submitting the online application are the following financial documents:
- latest payslip
- latest bank statement
- employer letter

Nothing else has to be dated within 28 days, though ideally you want other letters etc. to be dated as close to the application date as possible, so that the information is recent and up-to-date.


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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2019, 06:51:27 PM »
ksand24,

Thank you for addressing everything individually. It's so appreciated.

My inclination was to tick the consistent amount box, since I had already had to calculate her annual income.

What makes no sense, is that if I say she doesn't earn a consistent amount, I'm made to verify from a checklist, all of the things that I would have to provide anyway, with the difference being the ambiguous wording about 'any period in the last 12 months' for the payslips. It just seems odd that I have to verify I'm providing bank statements and an employment letter and say if I'm providing a contract, only if I tick the 'not a consistent amount' box, and if I say it's a consistent amount, no verification of the required documents, just asks me if I want to say anything else I haven't already said. Truly odd.

I'm going to try all the options just to see if I can glean any extra info that might prove useful, but I'll ultimately follow your advice and I'll post what comes of it. Thank you!
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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2019, 02:29:42 AM »
That section confused me too. I HAD to check "not the same amount continuously; above the required amount" because my husband's income is nonsalaried. They don't give any other option for nonsalaried income, so I commented in the box. I also only sent 7 months of payslips and the corresponding bank statements even though they asked for 12, and I was still approved.
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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2019, 02:47:55 AM »
That section confused me too. I HAD to check "not the same amount continuously; above the required amount" because my husband's income is nonsalaried. They don't give any other option for nonsalaried income, so I commented in the box. I also only sent 7 months of payslips and the corresponding bank statements even though they asked for 12, and I was still approved.

Hmm well my wife is non salaried as well, though her base pay is consistent. As in, the same 40 hours every week.

NorthBoston2London:
Does your husband not have fixed hours?
Do you recall what you wrote in your comment to clarify things?

I'll probably still tick the "same amount" option, but I'd really appreciate hearing what you commented that may have been the correct clarification they were looking.

Though I am thinking I should stick with "earns same amount continuously" as each month's base pay is consistent, perhaps I should still mention that it is non-salaried, or does it really matter since applications have never specified about the salary/non-salaried distinction anyway? The main way to let the ECO know that the applicaiton should be calculated on an average instead of simpy by the 1550/month cutoff had been to make it clear in the letters that the pay was hourly and to never mention salary. Even though my wife earns just above 1550 per month anyway, would it still be beneficial to mention in the extra comments that she is non-salaried? Or is that over-complicating things?
 
And is it fair to assume that "Earns same amount continuously, above the required amount" is simply the new application's version of Category A?

 
*Edited to add some questions*
« Last Edit: December 17, 2019, 01:28:00 AM by YorkshireTexan »
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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2019, 03:08:31 PM »
Hmm well my wife is non salaried as well, though her base pay is consistent. As in, the same 40 hours every week.

NorthBoston2London:
Does your husband not have fixed hours?
Do you recall what you wrote in your comment to clarify things?

I'll probably still tick the "same amount" option, but I'd really appreciate hearing what you commented that may have been the correct clarification they were looking.

Though I am thinking I should stick with "earns same amount continuously" as each month's base pay is consistent, perhaps I should still mention that it is non-salaried, or does it really matter since applications have never specified about the salary/non-salaried distinction anyway? The main way to let the ECO know that the applicaiton should be calculated on an average instead of simpy by the 1550/month cutoff had been to make it clear in the letters that the pay was hourly and to never mention salary. Even though my wife earns just above 1550 per month anyway, would it still be beneficial to mention in the extra comments that she is non-salaried? Or is that over-complicating things?
 
And is it fair to assume that "Earns same amount continuously, above the required amount" is simply the new applications version of Category A?

 
*Edited to add some questions*

My husband earns an hourly wage and works a minimum of 50 hours per week, but he often takes extra shifts. My comment in the box explained that he is a nonsalaried employee, is paid an hourly wage and works a minimum of 50 hours per week.I knew that Category A only requires 6 months of bank statements and corresponding bank statements, so that is what I sent.
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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2019, 09:17:13 PM »
I'm stuck here too. My husband and I have to use a combined income and it is saying I have to provide 12 months of payslips, regardless if I choose consistently earns the same amount or not.

I'm not sure what to do now. Do I need to get the 12 months of payslips or just 6 months?

I really hate this!



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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2019, 10:17:51 PM »
I'm stuck here too. My husband and I have to use a combined income and it is saying I have to provide 12 months of payslips, regardless if I choose consistently earns the same amount or not.

I'm not sure what to do now. Do I need to get the 12 months of payslips or just 6 months?

I really hate this!



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It seems to be an error in the design of the online form.

If you know you meet Category A (both employed by your current companies for at least 6 months, earning current salary for all of those 6 months), then you ONLY need to provide 6 months of payslips and bank statements, regardless of what the online application says.


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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2019, 10:20:35 PM »
It seems to be an error in the design of the online form.

If you know you meet Category A (both employed by your current companies for at least 6 months, earning current salary for all of those 6 months), then you ONLY need to provide 6 months of payslips and bank statements, regardless of what the online application says.


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That's what I'm going to go with then. I've been there for 2 years and he's been at his for 4 years.

He makes more than the minimum but with bonuses and overtime, which is not addressed in the employment letter,  so we need to use my income as well.

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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2019, 12:44:33 AM »
It seems to be an error in the design of the online form.

If you know you meet Category A (both employed by your current companies for at least 6 months, earning current salary for all of those 6 months), then you ONLY need to provide 6 months of payslips and bank statements, regardless of what the online application says.


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Do you mind if I ask your opinion then, is it the case that I should stick with "the same amount continuously" despite my wife being non-salaried? I mean that's how it was before right, that under Category A, the distinction was never explicit in the form, it was only inferred by the ECO from the employment letter or payslips? Otherwise I'd be selecting "not the same amount" and have to write a comment as well, or do I need to in any case make sure I clarify that she isnt salaried?
AFAIK the point of declaring whether salaried or not is purely to get the ECO to change how the projected annual income is calculated, and since my wife earns above 1550 monthly in base pay anyway (very narrowly), it wouldnt matter if I commented that she is not-salaried? Her rate of pay has been the same since her contract began, and every months payslip is above 1550 for her base monthly earning.

Thank you. Crazy problem for everyone to have.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2019, 12:55:42 AM by YorkshireTexan »
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Re: Final Document Checklist and Letters, Submitting next week (Dec 2019)
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2019, 01:13:03 AM »
I'm stuck here too. My husband and I have to use a combined income and it is saying I have to provide 12 months of payslips, regardless if I choose consistently earns the same amount or not.

I'm not sure what to do now. Do I need to get the 12 months of payslips or just 6 months?

I really hate this!



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I tried all the options and the only one that doesnt mention the "12 months of payslips" (which is itself worded strangely) is the first option - "same amount, above the amount".

What's bizarre to me is that for all the options but the first, you are reminded of and have to verify all the evidence you're submitting (payslips and statements and even the optional P60 and contract)as well as the ID's, and if you select the first, then it only mentions the ID's.
FLR(M) was approved
Applied without solicitor, digitised and uploaded docs myself
Paid for Super Priority and got same-day result
Best advice: Start your actual application online a year out, best way to really find out what you need


Priority Spouse Visa, applied from USA:
-Online application submission - 19 Dec 2019
-Biometrics taken (walked in a week early) 20 Dec
-Online application received in Sheffield email - 23 Dec
-Decision email on 20th January 2020 (18 WD)
-Pp arrived on 22nd Jan (I provided my own UPS return label/envelop


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