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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #330 on: March 28, 2020, 02:29:53 PM »
They've started sending food parcels to people that were identified as "shielding" by the NHS, but with no regard for medical conditions or allergies. So delivering entirely wheat based products to a person with celiac, and still no way for them to get delivery orders in. I'm so grossed out by how this country has managed this. That also excludes all the homebound people that didn't have the very limited conditions the NHS used. :(

On the other hand, the US had just 32,000 confirmed cases on March 23, and has over 100,000 today.  They've had over 1700 coronavirus deaths, so far, and they have taken only a piecemeal approach to shutting down the economy and enforcing social distancing.  And on a governmental level, there isn't even a parcel delivery for people who need to shield in the US.  It is difficult everywhere, and my husband and I do feel like we're been left to fend for ourselves a bit since he is considered "essential" and can't stay out of the office  (and Wales NHS doesn't have the same vulnerable peoples list and provisions... we've not got anything).  But for all of the UK's shortcomings, I would much rather be here than in the US.
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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #331 on: March 28, 2020, 02:50:44 PM »
They've started sending food parcels to people that were identified as "shielding" by the NHS, but with no regard for medical conditions or allergies. So delivering entirely wheat based products to a person with celiac, and still no way for them to get delivery orders in. I'm so grossed out by how this country has managed this. That also excludes all the homebound people that didn't have the very limited conditions the NHS used. :(

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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #332 on: March 28, 2020, 03:09:22 PM »
On the other hand, the US had just 32,000 confirmed cases on March 23, and has over 100,000 today.  They've had over 1700 coronavirus deaths, so far, and they have taken only a piecemeal approach to shutting down the economy and enforcing social distancing.  And on a governmental level, there isn't even a parcel delivery for people who need to shield in the US.  It is difficult everywhere, and my husband and I do feel like we're been left to fend for ourselves a bit since he is considered "essential" and can't stay out of the office  (and Wales NHS doesn't have the same vulnerable peoples list and provisions... we've not got anything).  But for all of the UK's shortcomings, I would much rather be here than in the US.

I'm glad we dawdled. Regardless of how this progresses, we are better off here for all this. The ICU bill for survivors in the USA who had to have an ICU bed for 20 or 30 days will be just crushing debt. (Consider that one overnight for observation in a standard room, with one MRI and a couple of aspirin cost us $14,000 10 years ago - or, rather, our insurance company.)

Apparently Michigan has gotten on Trump's bad side, and the suppliers they had relied on to send them PPE, etc., are now telling them that that they've been told to not send anything to Michigan and are cancelling the orders - and sending it to FEMA. Who is not apparently sending it to Michigan.

This nightmare just gets worse and worse.



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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #333 on: March 28, 2020, 03:10:03 PM »
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I am not on their list, moderate asthma and a moderate heart condition on top of a rare disease do not qualify me. Nor does MS or a lot of other incredibly severe conditions.  But this is coming from groups I'm in where people are literally going hungry. I'm not, I sourced fresh food and shared where I have, but will run out of household goods soon. I don't understand why they are arbitrarily sending things to people without asking what they need. It's incredibly wasteful. It sounds like Wokingham has done better than many places if your neighbours managed to give you lots of extra fresh food, because that was not what has been shared elsewhere (like animal products going to vegans even).

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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #334 on: March 28, 2020, 06:26:31 PM »
I am not on their list, moderate asthma and a moderate heart condition on top of a rare disease do not qualify me. Nor does MS or a lot of other incredibly severe conditions.  But this is coming from groups I'm in where people are literally going hungry. I'm not, I sourced fresh food and shared where I have, but will run out of household goods soon. I don't understand why they are arbitrarily sending things to people without asking what they need. It's incredibly wasteful. It sounds like Wokingham has done better than many places if your neighbours managed to give you lots of extra fresh food, because that was not what has been shared elsewhere (like animal products going to vegans even).

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Beggars can't be choosers. At this point in the game, people are going to have to accept what is given to them. It is free. It is help. Volunteers are killing themselves trying to get to vulnerable people.

I would be raging if I brought a STARVING person food and they complained it was the wrong brand.



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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #335 on: March 28, 2020, 06:49:43 PM »
  Funny thing happened on my Next door app: A GP has told me that she doesn't care what conditions the visor is made under, she's going to sanitise it anyway and she definitely wants some.  So, we are going to get started.  Maybe that stuff I ordered won't go to waste after all.

@jimbocz , have you seen this? https://www.3dcrowd.uk

A bunch of volunteers are doing exactly what you are doing, 3d printing visors to use in the crisis. You can sign up with them if you want to!


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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #336 on: March 28, 2020, 07:01:29 PM »
Beggars can't be choosers. At this point in the game, people are going to have to accept what is given to them. It is free. It is help. Volunteers are killing themselves trying to get to vulnerable people.

I would be raging if I brought a STARVING person food and they complained it was the wrong brand.

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As would I!   But one must remember that if you literally cannot eat something because it makes you ill, getting a bag full of it is not helpful, even if it was meant to be. I certainly would not turn it down, but I'd have no use for it, potentially. For example, if I had nothing in the house and got a box of food that was entirely carbs, I'd be in a world of hurt if I was type 2 diabetic. But it wouldn't kill me right away. A type 1 diabetic would be in even worse shape - especially if they have to ration their insulin. Carbs are the enemy, they can kill. Other conditions have other food restrictions. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

I still wonder if there should not be something set up where people with special food needs (not desires, such as vegan or whatever, but actual special needs) could exchange things locally that they've received that they can't use with other things from people who can use them and have something to trade?
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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #337 on: March 28, 2020, 07:04:19 PM »
Except coeliacs can’t eat gluten at all and if course food allergies mean that food is a no go.  Medical issues for sure.

Brands/meat vs non meat/tastes, that’s different. Hopefully people can get food though. I hope.  It’s definitely trying to organise an army though quickly so there will be huge teething pains. This isn’t easy or quick and people are having to think on their feet. Lots of good will and generosity though, so I hope people will get food they need.
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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #338 on: March 28, 2020, 07:10:00 PM »
Except coeliacs can’t eat gluten at all and if course food allergies mean that food is a no go.  Medical issues for sure.

Brands/meat vs non meat/tastes, that’s different. Hopefully people can get food though. I hope.  It’s definitely trying to organise an army though quickly so there will be huge teething pains. This isn’t easy or quick and people are having to think on their feet. Lots of good will and generosity though, so I hope people will get food they need.
Then those items get put aside or don't accept the delivery. You do not however complain about what someone has given you for free.

We need to step up now and take some personal responsibility because we are going to see times like we've never seen before. 

Times are changing fast people... volunteers are trying. The government cannot accommodate every person. It is an impossible task.

There are specialty groups that can be found on Facebook. There are tons of them. Volunteers reaching out within their special needs communities.

Unfortunately, not everyone will have their needs catered to so they will need to make some tough decisions.





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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #339 on: March 28, 2020, 07:19:12 PM »
I would assume they are offering it up to others in the community, or will be when they are able to leave the house, but there is a significant amount of food insecurity among people with coeliac and allergies right now. Fresh vegetables for someone with gastroparesis doesn't help when they need specific meal replacement shakes they can't buy due to delivery slot unavailability, and so on. It's not as simple as being the wrong brand, much more that it can send people to the hospital and put further strain on limited health resources while putting their lives at risk from Covid-19.

Seeing the temper tantrums Trump is throwing with people's lives in the balance makes me glad I am not there now, but I am also ready to go home when this is over, whenever that may be, but will not be able to afford to.

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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #340 on: March 28, 2020, 07:31:33 PM »
@jimbocz , have you seen this? https://www.3dcrowd.uk

A bunch of volunteers are doing exactly what you are doing, 3d printing visors to use in the crisis. You can sign up with them if you want to!
  No, I hadn't seen that.  I'm printing right now for a local GP, but we are mostly faffing around with the printer.  My kid is pissing me off because he just wants to play Minecraft.  Grrrrr


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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #341 on: March 28, 2020, 07:34:56 PM »
Yes Tami, lots of good groups trying to help and get food out. Amazing ones in our community (only ones I am seeing because not looked anywhere else, obviously)

The various charities for different conditions trying to help individuals too.

It is frightening and scary for so many. For sure. I think definitely this acknowledged by the huge waves of volunteers and community groups who are trying their best. 
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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #342 on: March 28, 2020, 08:06:40 PM »
Interesting times coming, for sure. Hopefully not as bad as they could be.

I've been homeless, and I remember going days without eating so the Daughter could eat. The "bad old days". I remember very clearly. I hope to God I never see times like that again.  One can talk about preparing and taking care of oneself until they are blue in the face, but there are times when circumstances are the driver - not you - and all you can do is react the best you can. I have watched people slowly die for want of medical care and decent housing, and never want to see that again. These were people who worked hard all their lives, did all the right things, were not frivolous, and for whom circumstances fell apart through no fault of their own. You can prepare all you can, sometimes, and it's not enough.

I regularly go down my risk-assessment protocols. Once the US border reopens and this settles down, I'll have to re-evaluate. Here the government is entirely more proactive. It's a freaking train wreck there. But all my funding is from the USA. If the exchange rate turns sour, I could be in a world of hurt here. Whatever income I had coming in would be steady in the USA. (Until SS collapses, or the pension fund implodes.) My medical would be covered, more or less, here - at least it would be to the same standard as everyone else got. I would need to be sure to move to a state that has Medicaid, so that if anything happened to my insurance or Medicare I'd get at least NHS quality healthcare in an emergency.  If I lived in the USA I hopefully could have some land and a few chickens and a good garden. So I regularly have the urge to bolt, get a place there and get it paid off as quickly as I can so that I can scrounge if I have to to make ends meet. I've kind of been thinking like that for several months. I love it here, but in hard times my "risk" is worse than a local's here. I have hedged as many bets as I can and can only hope fate is kind to us all. Needless to say, I'm actually more afraid of getting caught up in a major economic depression (not recession) than Covid-19. Covid would be quick.  It keeps me tossing and turning late at night.

My father used to tell me about life in the Great Depression - he was a teen then. How he had to go to the train tracks where the coal trains went around a bend to scrounge for any coal that fell off them to take home to help heat the house. And how a sibling with a serious illness was incapacitated for the rest of his life because they could not afford a doctor for a simple procedure.  He was the most complete tightwad any of my friends had ever met - we saved string, we saved paper bags to use over, we re-used tinfoil, we saved everything. Mended everything. He drilled into us "want" was not the same as "need". And we ~never~ bought on credit.  I remember as a child we would have bread and gravy for supper sometimes, because that was all there was. And he was always thankful to have it, so we never knew our situation.  I used to get so mad at him when I was growing up. It wasn't until later I understood why he was as he was. I hope those times don't come again. That spectre really does frighten me badly.

The one thing I really do like about here, though, in all this that is kind of hit-or-miss in the States these days is that sense of community. The people who show up with the bags of food. We saw it in the South, the church ladies would take food to needy families. But it's not necessarily a wide-spread thing like it seems to be here. I think that'll do everyone here in good stead, in the long run.

Sorry, rambling. Not enough sleep. Be safe, be well everyone.
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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #343 on: March 29, 2020, 07:10:23 PM »
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Re: COVID19 - How it's affecting you
« Reply #344 on: March 30, 2020, 09:54:16 AM »
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