COVID19 - How it's affecting you

We weren’t huge pub goers because it’s very expensive £40-50+ for taxis round trip, let alone the night out, but I do miss a good night out.  I will probably go sometime end of July.  No doubt hubby would drive though, I think......

And from the American press:

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/england-pub-opening-coronavirus-chaos/index.html

Hopefully people will show some restraint. From what we've seen here in Glasgow, however, that is in very short supply.

I also hope people use restraint but fear the worst.  It has been some weeks since the mass demonstrations for black lives matter and the crowded beaches a couple of weeks ago. So far, the infection rates have continued to trend down.

I won’t be going back to the pub yet, I am not dying for a drink.

The CNN article mirrors a false premise I’ve seen elsewhere, that because Britain has one of the highest death rates in the world that it shouldn’t reopen yet. The total death rate is never going to come down,  it is the current death rate and current rate of infection that matters.  The total death rate is 650/million, which is horrendous, but the 7 day rolling average is 1.6/million which, along with a 7 day rolling average infection rate of 12 /million is what they are gambling on. And it’s a gamble for sure.

I also hope people use restraint but fear the worst.  It has been some weeks since the mass demonstrations for black lives matter and the crowded beaches a couple of weeks ago. So far, the infection rates have continued to trend down.

What i do want to note though is that the majority of people attending BLM protests are wearing masks and doing what they can to be as safe as possible and i think that is worth noting.


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What i do want to note though is that the majority of people attending BLM protests are wearing masks and doing what they can to be as safe as possible and i think that is worth noting.


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Not many on the beaches were wearing masks, but I believe the outdoors aspect is very important regardless of masks. The 3 outbreaks since workers went back all originated indoors, including the big one at Leicester, which is why I won’t be going inside any pubs or restaurants anytime soon.

Not many on the beaches were wearing masks, but I believe the outdoors aspect is very important regardless of masks. The 3 outbreaks since workers went back all originated indoors, including the big one at Leicester, which is why I won’t be going inside any pubs or restaurants anytime soon.

Yeah i think very few on beaches were in masks or distancing. Just seen a lot of people saying how we can blame the protesters if there's a second wave but they are the ones wearing masks and trying to take safety precautions but they are ignoring people going to parks and breaking rules about how many people to meet up with or going to the beach etc who aren't.

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Yeah, based on what I have seen out of the US the demonstrations weren't the causes of outbreaks, it has been parties and indoor events (because those tended to become "super spreading" events). One person in South Korea spread it to many people by attending nightclubs and caused their closure shortly after they reopened.

My fear is that because no one is wearing masks for daily activities like grocery shopping, reopening the pubs will start a trickle of outbreaks that will hit vulnerable folks going about their days and front line staff. The research thus far is pretty clear that the most high risk activity is indoors, where talking happens without masks, and where you are in the same space for an extended period of time (restaurants, pubs and offices were the highest risk). I really hope more people start wearing masks after they attend pubs and restaurants because that is what will protect everyone else if they happen to pick something up.

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Yeah i think very few on beaches were in masks or distancing. Just seen a lot of people saying how we can blame the protesters if there's a second wave but they are the ones wearing masks and trying to take safety precautions but they are ignoring people going to parks and breaking rules about how many people to meet up with or going to the beach etc who aren't.

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It has been so long since the protests that no way could any outbreak be attributed to them. It is indoor activities that are the biggest danger where folks are in close proximity for long periods of time. I don’t recall any local outbreak either here or  other European country  being attributed to anything other than indoor activities, the recent outbreaks in Germany originated from a tower block and a meat packing plant.

It has been so long since the protests that in way could any outbreak be attributed to them. It is indoor activities that are the biggest danger where folks are in close proximity for long periods of time. I don’t recall any local outbreak either here or  other European country  being attributed to anything other than indoor activities, the recent outbreaks in Germany originated from a tower black and a meat packing plant.

Exactly. I think it just seemed like an easy activity ro atribute blame to.

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Yeah, based on what I have seen out of the US the demonstrations weren't the causes of outbreaks, it has been parties and indoor events (because those tended to become "super spreading" events). One person in South Korea spread it to many people by attending nightclubs and caused their closure shortly after they reopened.

My fear is that because no one is wearing masks for daily activities like grocery shopping, reopening the pubs will start a trickle of outbreaks that will hit vulnerable folks going about their days and front line staff. The research thus far is pretty clear that the most high risk activity is indoors, where talking happens without masks, and where you are in the same space for an extended period of time (restaurants, pubs and offices were the highest risk). I really hope more people start wearing masks after they attend pubs and restaurants because that is what will protect everyone else if they happen to pick something up.

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I couldn’t agree more. I wish England would follow Scotland’s lead and make mask wearing in shops mandatory.

It's worth mentioning that in the US boomers seem to be the most ignorant. My mom is still working in an office (with masks and social distancing mandatory) and she is travelling to see my great aunt this weekend, in a state with many outbreaks and needing to stop to use public restrooms along the way. I will not forgive her if she brings covid to my great aunt! She doesn't need to make that trip but she has decided there's no risk. Grr.

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I don't wear a mask outside but again, when I'm outside there is no one else around.  Went to the tip this week and it was just me and one other car in the entire estate. 

I do wear one inside.  I'm a bit hestiant about the restaurant booking but my friend is going this weekend, so she'll be able to reassure me if it's okay or not.  Everyone I've asked has said they would go, as they know all the precautions will be in place and people (diners) won't be moving around the restaurant.  But I'm not committing yet!

Just got back from our exploratory walk around town between 12:30 and 1pm.

Some pubs were open but didn't see anyone inside, even the rugby club with lots of outside seating had no one outside drinking.  Maybe they are all waiting until tonight.  After seeing Matt's cartoon today where his wife arrived home with her hair all over the place saying that the hairdresser had been down the pub I was expecting to see at least someone having a drink.

We had a Thai curry at one of the cafes that had opened up, where they have a one-way system in from the street and out the side entrance after ordering. The side entrance is onto a courtyard shared with other shops and has a number of benches and tables to sit at.  Food and drink delivered to table with disposable containers but regular metal utensils, which we were told to leave on the table afterwards.  There were at least 2 other cafes with outside seating plus some with carry-out only. The town centre has plenty of benches to sit at. So far so good while the weather stays warm and dry. 

Cafe Nero was open for the first time and had small tables well distanced inside, a few of which were in use. Costa remains closed.  3 of our small cafes have closed their doors for good but a brand new one is opening up on the 10th, but they do have more floor space plus an outdoor area. I plan on fattening the curve in support of these little businesses but my wife is too weight conscious to eat out too often so my son and I will have to just do our best 

I couldn’t agree more. I wish England would follow Scotland’s lead and make mask wearing in shops mandatory.

I wish they'd actually WEAR them!   

It's worth mentioning that in the US boomers seem to be the most ignorant. My mom is still working in an office (with masks and social distancing mandatory) and she is travelling to see my great aunt this weekend, in a state with many outbreaks and needing to stop to use public restrooms along the way. I will not forgive her if she brings covid to my great aunt! She doesn't need to make that trip but she has decided there's no risk. Grr.

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All the Boomers I know are at least taking some precautions, although they don't seem to have quite the grasp on it they should. I know one in her 70s who believes everything she hears on Fox News - ala, anything Trump has said. Another has a severely immunocompromised spouse and they still go out to the grocery store together and to play golf, and they've had family with young children in to visit for weekends at a time lately - just when it's spiking in their area! OMG, I am seriously worried about them. 

While the Boomers are a little clueless, the 20s-30s really aren't doing all that well with this. There are those idiots holding Covid parties (I hope that's just a made-up story, but I can see it happening) and whomever catches it first gets the cash prize pot.  They have been packing the bars and the beaches. I've got a cousin in Fla who says it's been like Spring Break there for weeks. I'm less worried about the beaches than the bars. Close quarters, booze-brain, and aerosolized Covid. Not a good combination.  The Daughter stays in contact with her friends  in SoCal. They are wearing masks, thank goodness, but are still popping out to the store and stuff as if nothing is going on. One of them has had a new baby, and while they are restricting visitors a bit, they are still having friends in to help with the baby. (Eeeek!)

A lot of all that is probably caused by the mixed messages they've been getting, I think. Along with thinking it's an "old people's disease" combined with the I-don't-care-as-long-as-I-can-have-fun mentality. (Nothing new there.)

Read something online that may or may not be true - you can never tell until it happens, but nothing surprises me anymore. That Trump is going to change his tune from "we're fighting the virus" to "learn to live with it." (Which is practical, but not at all encouraging!) Of course we're all going to have to learn to live with it. Unless we get really lucky and it mutates to a less virulent form. Which is NOT what I've been reading has been happening - apparently the virus now has mutated from what initially hit in Europe and was subsequently  transmitted to the USA to become more infectious, although no more lethal. And there is some question as to if those mutations will set back work on vaccines.

Live with it. Do Bears Poop In The Woods?

While the Boomers are a little clueless, the 20s-30s really aren't doing all that well with this. There are those idiots holding Covid parties (I hope that's just a made-up story, but I can see it happening) and whomever catches it first gets the cash prize pot.  They have been packing the bars and the beaches. I've got a cousin in Fla who says it's been like Spring Break there for weeks.

From what i read about those parties -if that's legit and not just a one off/rumour gone out of control, it's teenagers. Where are the parents???  Can't say much about florida because i don't know anybody there, but from what i know about new england based on people i do know, it does seem to be the older generations not thinking, beliving, or taking precautions (my parents included and it drives me crazy). Beaches i've seen have been all ages but can't speak for the bars.


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