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Re: COVID
« Reply #675 on: June 20, 2022, 05:49:05 PM »
And as predicted, both of us tested positive for Covid today.  Both have a sore throat, which is all. Hopefully it remains that way.

Wishing you a speedy recovery with no complications and full resolution of symptoms! <3


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Re: COVID
« Reply #676 on: June 20, 2022, 07:02:35 PM »
I've had enough friends and acquaintances be hospitalised or die from heart issues in the last two years that I think we will be seeing the effects of covid for a very long time. Just this week a good friend in Canada with no pre-existing conditions ended up hospitalised with blood clots through his lungs, he just thought it was a bad backache and got checked out just in case - if he hadn't he probably wouldn't still be here.

Aquila you are lucky people respect your mask wearing, for me we are back to how it was prepandemic with people being complete jerks to me and friends who rely on them. One had someone actually cough on them and laugh last week. So it must depend on the part of the country you're in and how many Tory voters are in the area, she was in Gove's constituency at the time.

I've accepted that life will be extremely isolating until they have a treatment for long covid. We are really hoping to go to a music event in London in September, and have a couple comedy shows planned this summer, but will be sticking with FFP3 masks 100% of the time when indoors. Need to purchase and bedazzle an electrostatic mask.


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Re: COVID
« Reply #677 on: June 20, 2022, 10:39:39 PM »
I remember in Glasgow, during the first week of lockdown and mask requirements, my daughter and I were wearing our masks while out on a walk. We were in and out of a shop for groceries, and didn't want to take the masks off until we got home and could do it properly. Of course, as we're walking down the sidewalk some jerk in a car stopped at a light shouts something inane over to us about "not going to catch that virus, are you ladies?"  That's the worst hassling we ever really had about masks in the UK. There was the homeless guy who basically strafed us and the rest of the line waiting to go into Tesco by coughing all over us as we went by. And there were some shops that were putting the "distance" markers at 3 feet instead of 6 (Scotland was 6 while England was 3 for a while) on the floors, but who did enforce masking.  But generally, although people were pretty bad about not wearing masks properly, they at least had them on and didn't give others much static for doing so. (Of course, our house movers, when they came to pack us up, weren't wearing masks as they should have been. But we were able to open all the windows and had a heck of a cross-ventilation going and we didn't have to argue about it. Besides, that was back in the day of the first Covid strain.)

Here we've been harassed in elevators. I've been "called out" while at a crowded festival for wearing a mask. People - mostly white old men of a particular type - have made it a point to do a lot of coughing in our presence. (Yes, I can tell a fake cough from a real one.) We took all the blankets to the laundromat ~today~ to give them a good wash before storing them for the summer. Some old geezer came in and sat five feet from my daughter and spent the hour pretty much coughing non-stop - with one of the fakest coughs I've ever heard, and an evil look on his face. The Daughter was just about to unload on him when the dryers finished, so I was spared having to listen to that tirade. Although it would have been entertaining, I'm sure, and absolutely not what geezerman was expecting.   8)

We've both received some pretty evil stares from people who, in a different point in my life, I would have called "white trash" in stores - for a while it was pretty uniform behaviour in Walmart, and one of the reasons we rarely go in there. (Thank goodness for click-and-collect!)  I guess they've all found something else to be vitriolic about now....  There's a specific type - we can pretty much call it before it happens. A generic meanness of expression. And generally of the "lower" socioeconomic classes (and not aware that they are).  The Daughter excels at mad-dogging anyone who gives her a nasty stare. She can all but drill holes in steel with her stare.  8) ;) So she now wards off a lot of the interactions before they start to become truly annoying.

Now it's primarily the institutional issues.  While it hasn't happened to me (because it's not the nature of  my job), I know people who are being forced back into the office after two highly productive years at home. They are government workers, for the most part. Apparently the economy of the areas of town near the government buildings just hasn't been the same without all that foot traffic, so the workers are being strong-armed back into the office by the governor's office. Several people I know have said, basically, "screw that" and put in for early retirement. No job is worth the morgue or an extended stay in a convalescent facility.

And still, the other day, I was in Macy's to do a click-and-collect. There was a particularly unpleasant woman (maskless) complaining about how bad the service was, and why didn't they have more people working the registers. She gave the poor guy at the till hell. Obviously she missed the whole thing - like, duh, pandemic? People not willing to risk their lives for minimum wage? (Then again, she struck me as the type of person who would be obnoxious if not treated like a princess regardless of the current state of the world. God forbid she had to wait in a four person line for like 10 minutes of her day.....)  ::)

So, yeah, humanity in general is not really high on my "esteemed" list right now. Since the start of the pandemic I've had two dead parents, one dead aunt, one dead cousin, one dead friend-from-school (none of whose funerals I could attend because of, yep, the C word), and several acquaintances being extremely ill (and not all of them are recovered yet). Except for the dead ones, every one of them reports being discounted - it's just not that bad, is it?- or ghosted completely by people they thought were friends.  And by their employers. And "society" in general.

I can understand why medieval hermits lived the life they did, some days.
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Re: COVID
« Reply #678 on: June 21, 2022, 08:23:40 AM »
Lots of good stuff in your post Aquila. I hope you're starting to feel a bit better these days? 

I also think that it's not that people don't care. They do. It's just that a LOT of people have had Covid (maybe a few times even) especially after vaccination and had mild cases (many still felt absolutely horrible), but not hospital treatment.  After months and months and months of (the media) saying if you get Covid, you'll DIE, to have a mild case and survive fine, it changes your perception of risk (even if you know you there others with much higher risk still around),  and well you just want to get on with it. 

It's really hard to tell how Covid will impact you until you get it.  And I certainly don't recommend it.  I'm immunocompromised, but had my 3 shots, and the variant that I had, well it wasn't fun, but it wasn't awful.  I was actually feeling better after about 3 days.  But my husband, not immunocompromised felt like a train wreck for weeks.  Other high risk folks  I know have gotten monoclonal antibodies and been much better (because medicine is always improving! - Just because the media doesn't report on it doesn't mean there aren't people wanting to study and improve outcomes). And sadly, I have known folks in hospital and are struggling with long Covid (who had no underlying conditions). And others who have died. 

It's a crapshoot, and it's still out there (and rising cases again).  But, the human psyche is hard tuned to their own risk (and isn't very good at accessing it, actually!) and if you've had a 'mild' case, you do just want to get out there and get back to normal.   

On the other extreme, a dotted line report of mine is based in Shanghai. She's just come off 6 months maternity leave. Her 7 month baby has never been anywhere except the hospital and their apartment and hasn't met anyone except his parents and grandmother.  She was due to finally be able to go her to hometown for the weekend, but 1 person in their district (of billions of people) got Covid and they all had to lockdown again.  That is absolutely not what I want in my life! 
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Re: COVID
« Reply #679 on: June 21, 2022, 08:56:42 AM »
I'm with Phatbeetle, people are basically good and try to do what's right to help others.  Trying to figure out what's right is pretty much impossible as we are bombarded with conflicting facts and information and misinformation.  All I can do is my best and try not to judge other people too harshly for whatever they do.   

I did another volunteer shift at the vaccination center the other day and one of the people who worked there mentioned that the mask wearing requirement inside those places was going to be dropped.  A lot of what I did was making sure people had masks and asking them to change their custom masks for one of ours and never had anyone complain about wearing a mask.


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Re: COVID
« Reply #680 on: June 21, 2022, 09:21:37 AM »
My experience is very much a "people don't mind what other people do".  There were plenty of people at the concert with masks on.  Those that were wearing masks were wearing top quality masks.  And they were rocking out and having as much fun as every else.  Okay, maybe not QUITE as much fun as people who were chugging beer all night.   ;D

I have ZERO issue putting on a mask and have several friends where we always wear masks.

I am nervous for our trip to the USA next month.  It seems masks are super political there and I can't really get an answer from my parents as to if they want us to wear masks or not.  I know my brother and his family won't.  But we will do whatever makes them comfortable. 


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Re: COVID
« Reply #681 on: June 21, 2022, 09:25:33 AM »
My experience is very much a "people don't mind what other people do".

I have ZERO issue putting on a mask and have several friends where we always wear masks.

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Re: COVID
« Reply #682 on: June 21, 2022, 10:50:10 AM »
I am nervous for our trip to the USA next month.  It seems masks are super political there and I can't really get an answer from my parents as to if they want us to wear masks or not.  I know my brother and his family won't.  But we will do whatever makes them comfortable. 

I was in the USA in February, and the mask rules were totally all over the place - even within the same town or state! One place didn't require masks at all, and practically had signs celebrating it. One place advised that while it wasn't a legal requirement to wear masks, wearing them was still highly recommended if possible out of respect and safety for all patrons. One place said it's their business practice that masks should be worn, and if not happy with it, to please take your business elsewhere (and a big sign on the door that said No Mask, No Entry). And one place (a concert venue) specified that not only were masks required for entry, but they had to be N95-level ones. And they totally checked everyone entering; I saw them turn away a few people without the right mask type.

EDIT - and PS, I hope you have a great time! :D


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Re: COVID
« Reply #683 on: June 21, 2022, 01:58:59 PM »
Where we live in a small town in the NE of England mask wearing had dropped to near zero but is picking up again, including my wife and I who now wear masks again inside shops. We’ve never seen anybody get questioned or mocked about wearing a mask which is great, no pressure nowadays. Wear or not wear, each to his own.

We have just been talking with my wife’s sister in Edinburgh. Along with 8 friends they just did the West Highland Way over 9 days. (95 miles) and as I mentioned above she caught Covid, tested positive the day after she got back. She is now feeling a bit sick and pretty fatigued each day.  Along with 2 others she wore a mask almost all the time so is pretty ticked off that she was the one that caught it first, and 2 others have now tested positive.
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Re: COVID
« Reply #684 on: June 21, 2022, 02:02:32 PM »
Hope your SIL feels better soon durhamlad!
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Re: COVID
« Reply #685 on: June 21, 2022, 02:10:51 PM »
Hope your SIL feels better soon durhamlad!

Thanks, hopefully she will be okay.

Throughout the whole pandemic period she has been really, really careful about not catching it. In February 2020 she had open heart surgery (to fix an ascending aortic dissection) and for the first 3 weeks she was home we were living with her to help her recover. We had to leave her earlier than planned on March 22nd because that the first full lockdown was imminent.
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Re: COVID
« Reply #686 on: June 21, 2022, 02:58:46 PM »
We have just been talking with my wife’s sister in Edinburgh. Along with 8 friends they just did the West Highland Way over 9 days. (95 miles) and as I mentioned above she caught Covid, tested positive the day after she got back. She is now feeling a bit sick and pretty fatigued each day.  Along with 2 others she wore a mask almost all the time so is pretty ticked off that she was the one that caught it first, and 2 others have now tested positive.

That's such a shame, and mostly outdoors too. I hope it doesn't come to much.


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Re: COVID
« Reply #687 on: June 23, 2022, 02:58:36 AM »
At the risk of being accused of being "preachy" or "trying to save" anyone, again....

It lingers in the air, and can do so for several hours, and actually does survive on surfaces for quite some time (although that's not the main mode of infection). Where the  warnings they were giving for Covid early on were that being near someone for 15 minutes straight who might be contagious was the danger point, it's now 15 minutes, cumulatively, of exposure in any 24 hours. It doesn't have to be the same person, or the same cloud of virus. And, of course, the chance of infection rises exponentially depending on how much of said virus is inhaled. If you get a substantial lung full of the crud, the "15 minute rule" is moot.  Especially if you have some comorbidity or immunologic issue.

So hopefully your sister-in-law didn't get too heavy a whiff when she had her mask off and recovers quickly and completely. That just stinks, when you're doing everything you can and you still catch it!
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Re: COVID
« Reply #688 on: June 23, 2022, 01:23:48 PM »
The latest data on how audiences in the UK are feeling about attending cultural events. Very interesting and insightful! 

https://www.theaudienceagency.org/evidence/covid-19-cultural-participation-monitor/recent-key-insights#Willingness_to_attend
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Re: COVID
« Reply #689 on: June 23, 2022, 02:56:19 PM »
Without question, I think a huge impact to covid numbers is that there are NO MORE RULES.  So if you have covid,  you are in this weird state of flux of the government saying "no more rules, we have to live with covid" and the drill we had for two years of "stay home, save lives".

Case, in point.  My husband took a test on Monday morning after I did one that was positive.  It was positive.  He has a really really really critical week at work this week (meetings that have been in the diary for 2 months with several people travelling from out of town for a big summit today).  He stayed home on Monday but it was very much "Ummm, what am I supposed to do?"  He felt fine.  He wouldn't have known he was positive if he hadn't taken a test.

Since then, he has become quite unwell.  And he's glad he stayed home.  And unfortunately numerous people have become ill this week and at 10am this morning, they decided to cancel and reschedule the giant summit for today. 

It's hard.  I have tickets to a 2020 rescheduled event in mid-July that I would happily request a refund for.  My heart just isn't in it anymore.  But there is no option of a refund....  so I'll go.  And probably get covid a third time....   ::)


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