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Hope you have no bad side effect. We have out flu shots scheduled for the morning, hoping that they are no worse than the Covid shots 10 days ago.

Thank you!     I hope you're fine too. 

All I can think is that if it doesn't matter which brand of vaccine you get you're lucky. Being allergic to some of the inactive ingredients is a pain, because the immune response from the vaccine itself sets off one of my conditions the added hit from the inactives = higher anaphylaxis risk. It's often not being picky when you need to find out about the brand in advance, but unless you exist in chronic illness communities where these things matter you probably wouldn't have seen it before covid.

I'm still on the fence about the bivalent. Every jab so far has caused a 6+ month flare, each worse than the last.

I have always had really nasty responses to the Covid vaccines that lasted several days. This Bivalent Moderna was very different - some weird side-effects on the day of the shot, and a little tired the next day. NO Covid arm at all. (Seriously I was wearing a darned goose-egg and my arm down to my elbow turned red and sore, and then later itched like mad on the first four shots!).  No high fever. No massive body aches and pains and being in bed for a couple of days. Etc., etc.

I can't decide if that means it's all working extremely well or not working at all, given the first four reactions!   Hopefully the former, because there are no other options.

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Sigh... Centaurus. Of course. Well whatever was I thinking. Latest shot was going to just shut the chances down. Glad I have a lot of masks stocked up.

I have always had really nasty responses to the Covid vaccines that lasted several days. This Bivalent Moderna was very different - some weird side-effects on the day of the shot, and a little tired the next day. NO Covid arm at all. (Seriously I was wearing a darned goose-egg and my arm down to my elbow turned red and sore, and then later itched like mad on the first four shots!).  No high fever. No massive body aches and pains and being in bed for a couple of days. Etc., etc.

I can't decide if that means it's all working extremely well or not working at all, given the first four reactions!   Hopefully the former, because there are no other options.

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Sigh... Centaurus. Of course. Well whatever was I thinking. Latest shot was going to just shut the chances down. Glad I have a lot of masks stocked up.

Centaurus?  What have I missed?

We both have the flu vaccine yesterday, 10 days after the Pfizer bivalent. Slight sore arm yesterday, nothing at all today thank goodness. This is in line with what my reaction usually is although the flu vaccine of 2017 left me sore and feeling unwell for days.

Centaurus?  What have I missed?

We both have the flu vaccine yesterday, 10 days after the Pfizer bivalent. Slight sore arm yesterday, nothing at all today thank goodness. This is in line with what my reaction usually is although the flu vaccine of 2017 left me sore and feeling unwell for days.

https://nitter.it/kprather88  -  scroll down to the article on the findings from the Sato Lab

shortcut --->  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1579446368128860161.html

I'm set to get my flu shot on a week from tomorrow. Thankfully, the same protocols (masking, washing hands, avoiding crowds, good ventilation) works pretty well against catching the flu.

I have always had really nasty responses to the Covid vaccines that lasted several days. This Bivalent Moderna was very different - some weird side-effects on the day of the shot, and a little tired the next day. NO Covid arm at all. (Seriously I was wearing a darned goose-egg and my arm down to my elbow turned red and sore, and then later itched like mad on the first four shots!).  No high fever. No massive body aches and pains and being in bed for a couple of days. Etc., etc.

I can't decide if that means it's all working extremely well or not working at all, given the first four reactions!   Hopefully the former, because there are no other options.

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Sigh... Centaurus. Of course. Well whatever was I thinking. Latest shot was going to just shut the chances down. Glad I have a lot of masks stocked up.

This makes me feel better about scheduling mine. The last 3 have been rough with a multi month flare. Let me know if a week or two after you still feel okay. With AZ it took about a week for the side effects to start in force, and then 6 months of wanting to claw my skin off.

This makes me feel better about scheduling mine. The last 3 have been rough with a multi month flare. Let me know if a week or two after you still feel okay. With AZ it took about a week for the side effects to start in force, and then 6 months of wanting to claw my skin off.

Happy to.  I believe for the first couple of vaccinations I was good until late on the day after the shot. I think they were on Thursdays, and by Saturday I felt like death warmed over, with a stout fever, body aches, and a really, really sore arm. (The Daughter said hers hurt to move at all and felt worse than when she had broken it years ago.)  I was still dragging badly two weeks later. The third and fourth I don't believe I had a fever, but was pretty under the weather for several days - as in a couple of weeks to get over it, but could do more than for the first two.  This one - aside from the strange symptoms, I'm doing ok still. Well enough Sunday after having the shot on Friday afternoon to go take a turning fork to several beds in my garden. I got tired pretty quickly, but being able to hike down to the garden and do the work was a world of difference from what I had expected to have been doing. 

Daughter has to go get hers still - I suspect it'll be on a Saturday in about two weeks. With the way her immune system is (or, isn't, realistically), if she doesn't have a bad reaction again it'll be really something amazing.

https://nitter.it/kprather88  -  scroll down to the article on the findings from the Sato Lab

shortcut --->  https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1579446368128860161.html

I'm set to get my flu shot on a week from tomorrow. Thankfully, the same protocols (masking, washing hands, avoiding crowds, good ventilation) works pretty well against catching the flu.

Thanks. I’d not heard of it yet. (It was apparently given the name Centaurours by a Twitter user. ) Sounds like it is not a variant of concern yet.


https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/centaurus-what-we-know-about-new-covid-variant-and-why-theres-no-cause-alarm

The World Health Organization has classified BA.2.75 as a variant of interest, rather than a variant of concern. This means it’s being monitored but there’s not yet evidence it will cause problems.

Thanks. I’d not heard of it yet. (It was apparently given the name Centaurours by a Twitter user. ) Sounds like it is not a variant of concern yet.


https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/centaurus-what-we-know-about-new-covid-variant-and-why-theres-no-cause-alarm

Yeah, they all kinda start out like that. 

You did actually read the results of the study that were released on Oct 10th, right? As in, hot off the press from a reputable research lab?  Your GAVI artilce was published in early August, which would probably have it being drafted up in late July.    Things change.

Yeah, they all kinda start out like that. 

You did actually read the results of the study that were released on Oct 10th, right? As in, hot off the press from a reputable research lab?  Your GAVI artilce was published in early August, which would probably have it being drafted up in late July.    Things change.

I’m just never worried until the CDC, WHO, etc publicise it as a variant of concern. They are far better qualified than I am to analyse published data.

I understand that many folks track all this stuff and about it, but I’m just not that kind of person. If something is beyond my sphere of control I try not to stress about it.

I’m just never worried until the CDC, WHO, etc publicise it as a variant of concern. They are far better qualified than I am to analyse published data.

I understand that many folks track all this stuff and about it, but I’m just not that kind of person. If something is beyond my sphere of control I try not to stress about it.

I hear ya.  If they weren't so politicized, I would probably tend to go down that path, too.  And if I hadn't worked with some truly reputable and competent researchers in the past (who I rely on a heck of a lot more than governmental entities who have to factor in economics and politics into what info they disseminate), I'd probably be a bit more complacent. Having seen what the researchers were finding and comparing it to what we were "officially" being told.... yeah, no.  WAY too many instances of the two streams of info being on the opposite sides of the galaxy from each other. Without politics or economics even considered in that mix.

[An aside - you display an Interesting trait quite often here that  I've seen in a lot of British people I've met. Same kind of mindset - I don't have any control so I'll let the government (or other power entity) tell me when I need to worry.  Then blithely carrying on. (Not meant to be a disparagement, just an observation.)  I have seen reports that the UK government office in charge of such things (the name escapes me now) was working like mad to create a campaign to try to get people there to cut energy use during the winter, when fuel reserves are likely to be highly precarious. It was supposedly shut down cold by Downing Street.  Same thing, I guess. An uninformed public is a docile public - who will continue to go to work, pay taxes, and buy things. The apple cart will not be upset. My instinct says that the population is trained from diapers on up to accept mandates from authority figures way more than is common over here.]

In the meantime [insert stormy clouds and really bad sci-fi movie impending doom music here]  You Have Been Warned! 

[An aside - you display an Interesting trait quite often here that  I've seen in a lot of British people I've met. Same kind of mindset - I don't have any control so I'll let the government (or other power entity) tell me when I need to worry.  Then blithely carrying on. (Not meant to be a disparagement, just an observation.) 

I actually learned this trait during management training in the USA, including the lesson that wasting time effort trying to change things you cannot control is not going to make you a successful person.

I actually learned this trait during management training in the USA, including the lesson that wasting time effort trying to change things you cannot control is not going to make you a successful person.

And so not even developing contingency plans for the worst case scenario isn't worth the time, either? (Yeah, you must have had some odd management training - but then, there are some REALLY bizarre management schools-of-thought running loose....) So, a flood is coming. You can't stop the flood. So you just sit and wait for someone to tell you to leave your flood-prone home. At the last minute.

That's just... well, good luck getting to higher ground. And finding a new home.   

And so not even developing contingency plans for the worst case scenario isn't worth the time, either? (Yeah, you must have had some odd management training - but then, there are some REALLY bizarre management schools-of-thought running loose....) So, a flood is coming. You can't stop the flood. So you just sit and wait for someone to tell you to leave your flood-prone home. At the last minute.

That's just... well, good luck getting to higher ground. And finding a new home.   

Now you are you are just being silly and hysterical.  What do you suggest I do to prepare for the possibility of this new variant  becoming a variant of concern or worse? 

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I never said anything about not developing contingency plans,  just not to waste time and effort trying to control things outside of your control. At work we had all sorts of contingency plans for events outside of our control, as I do at home.

Now you are you are just being silly and hysterical.  What do you suggest I do to prepare for the possibility of this new variant  becoming a variant of concern or worse? 

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I never said anything about not developing contingency plans,  just not to waste time and effort trying to control things outside of your control. At work we had all sorts of contingency plans for events outside of our control, as I do at home.

Silly and hysterical.  Tsk, Tsk.  That's right up there, you realize, with some of the most serious minimizing and denial tactics out there?

What do I suggest?

For starters, stay aware  of the developments as the virus mutates. Which it will - too many people are letting themselves catch it and, thus, giving it a lovely little set of petri dishes. You''re a relatively educated person. It's not like you'll have to be running to the dictionary to look up word meanings in the research reports.

Remember that governments are horrifically slow in getting information out. And that they do tend to temper what they say with broader agendas.  So... be informed from reputable sources other than what the BBC (or NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX) and the government (here or there) is telling you.

If you haven't already:

Prepare to maintain as much social distance as you can.

Make sure you have adequate food, medical, and other supplies stocked up so that you can minimize the amount of time you will have to leave the house in case of a surge in your area or in case you or a family member becomes infected and you have to quarantine.

Mask up with N-95 or better masks. Not later. Now. (They work pretty well against the flu, too.)

Be sure the areas in which you spend time are adequately ventilated. And, given the coming cold/wet (ok, well colder and wetter over there) season, have good quality HEPA filtering air cleaners of MERV13 or higher.

Have the usual arrangements available to isolate any individual in your family who may become infected.

I assume you've already had all the vaccinations that are currently available, and are well boosted. If a new booster or vaccine is developed, hop on that ASAP.

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I'm not talking about controlling a situation you can't control, I'm talking about preparing to respond to it.  Sitting around waiting for someone to tell you that, again the flood analogy, you should leave your house when the water can rise rapidly and is already at the doorstep....  Once again, hope you're a strong swimmer. 

Silly and hysterical.  Tsk, Tsk.  That's right up there, you realize, with some of the most serious minimizing and denial tactics out there?

What do I suggest?

For starters, stay aware  of the developments as the virus mutates. Which it will - too many people are letting themselves catch it and, thus, giving it a lovely little set of petri dishes. You''re a relatively educated person. It's not like you'll have to be running to the dictionary to look up word meanings in the research reports.

Remember that governments are horrifically slow in getting information out. And that they do tend to temper what they say with broader agendas.  So... be informed from reputable sources other than what the BBC (or NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX) and the government (here or there) is telling you.

If you haven't already:

Prepare to maintain as much social distance as you can.

Make sure you have adequate food, medical, and other supplies stocked up so that you can minimize the amount of time you will have to leave the house in case of a surge in your area or in case you or a family member becomes infected and you have to quarantine.

Mask up with N-95 or better masks. Not later. Now. (They work pretty well against the flu, too.)

Be sure the areas in which you spend time are adequately ventilated. And, given the coming cold/wet (ok, well colder and wetter over there) season, have good quality HEPA filtering air cleaners of MERV13 or higher.

Have the usual arrangements available to isolate any individual in your family who may become infected.

I assume you've already had all the vaccinations that are currently available, and are well boosted. If a new booster or vaccine is developed, hop on that ASAP.

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I'm not talking about controlling a situation you can't control, I'm talking about preparing to respond to it.  Sitting around waiting for someone to tell you that, again the flood analogy, you should leave your house when the water can rise rapidly and is already at the doorstep....  Once again, hope you're a strong swimmer. 

Thank you for your advice.