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Applying to enter the UK Partner
« on: December 15, 2020, 12:47:15 AM »
Hi There,

My names Christopher, I'm a British Citizen living in NYC with my wife and our son (uk citizen). My wife is applying to enter as a UK partner. I have a confirmed job offer from a small company in the UK that starts on the 5th April. We have filled in most of the application and compiled all the docs including the offer letter and contract of employment. We also have a lawyer going over everything and checking all is in order. He did however throw me off with a question about what they consider to be a 'legitimate offer of employment'. The company I'll be working for is registered with Companies House in the UK and has been around for 5 years, it has a relatively small turnover as a startup and its only just began to ramp up. He asked me to reach out to the company and ask for a hire justification letter which I recieved and have added to the documents. He mentioned that as its a smaller company it may come under close scrutiny. Has anybody had a similar experience with this situation?

Cheers,

-Chris


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2020, 07:01:26 AM »
Welcome to the forum :).

We also have a lawyer going over everything and checking all is in order.

A lawyer really is not needed unless any of the following applies:
- your wife has serious criminal convictions that would result in a visa refusal
- your wife has had multiple UK visa refusals in the past
- your wife has worked illegally in the UK in the past
- your wife has been an illegal overstayer in the UK in the past

If your application is straightforward, then a lawyer is not necessary, as you can find all the information you need for free on the UKVI website, and here on this forum.

Unfortunately, there are only a small number of lawyers who know what they are talking about when it comes to straightforward visa applications, and I've lost count of the number of people who have found this forum after being given very bad and incorrect advice by immigration lawyers... in some cases, advice that, had it been taken, would have resulted in their visa being refused!

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He did however throw me off with a question about what they consider to be a 'legitimate offer of employment'. The company I'll be working for is registered with Companies House in the UK and has been around for 5 years, it has a relatively small turnover as a startup and its only just began to ramp up. He asked me to reach out to the company and ask for a hire justification letter which I recieved and have added to the documents. He mentioned that as its a smaller company it may come under close scrutiny. Has anybody had a similar experience with this situation?

As long as the company is legitimate and can provide you with an official job offer on company letterhead, and ideally a signed job contract as well, there shouldn't be a problem.

The official guidance from the government (Appendix FM-SE) simply states that you need:

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4. In respect of a job offer in the UK (for an applicant’s partner or parent’s partner returning to salaried employment in the UK at paragraphs E-ECP.3.2.(a) and E-ECC.2.2.(a) of Appendix FM) a letter from the employer must be provided:
(a) confirming the job offer, the gross annual salary and the starting date of the employment which must be within 3 months of the applicant’s partner’s return to the UK; or
(b) enclosing a signed contract of employment, which must have a starting date within 3 months of the applicant’s partner’s return to the UK.

Do you have all your previous employment evidence sorted out as well, such as payslips and bank statements from either the last 6 or 12 months (depending on which financial category you are applying under)?


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2020, 03:23:06 PM »
Hey thanks for the quick response! Glad to be part of the community!

Yes we may have jumped the gun in hiring the lawyer but we only got him to verify all the docs and application were in order. We didn't pay very much.

Everything else is pretty straight forward. My wife doesn't have any past refusals, convictions, or has overstayed/worked illegally in the UK.

Im' a freelance in NYC for the last ten years and I have all my tax returns and invoices bank statements to back that up. Earnings have been consistently above the 18500.

Regarding the job offer I have in the UK. I have a signed contract, start date, and a signed offer letter on company letterhead. They also provided me with a letter stating why they want to hire me. (lawyer advised I ask for that)

My concern is how does the home office look at job offers and decide if they are legitimate? If that company is new and doesn't have a history of high turnover would they decide its not a legitimate job offer?

Apologies if I may be overthinking this.



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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2020, 04:11:11 PM »
Yes we may have jumped the gun in hiring the lawyer but we only got him to verify all the docs and application were in order. We didn't pay very much.

That's good - though, lawyers have been known to give incorrect advice and to tell people to include the wrong documents, so I'd just be aware of that.

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Im' a freelance in NYC for the last ten years and I have all my tax returns and invoices bank statements to back that up.

Just to check, do you have all the required documents for self-employment income?

The requirements are (paragraph 7 of Appendix FM-SE) - for self-employment outside the UK, you provide the equivalent:

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7. In respect of self-employment in the UK as a partner, as a sole trader or in a franchise all of the following must be provided:
(a) Evidence of the amount of tax payable, paid and unpaid for the last full financial year.

(b) The following documents for the last full financial year, or for the last two such years (where those documents show the necessary level of gross profit as an average of those two years):
(i) annual self-assessment tax return to HMRC (a copy or print-out);
and
(ii) Statement of Account (SA300 or SA302).

(c) Proof of registration with HMRC as self-employed if available.

(d) Each partner’s Unique Tax Reference Number (UTR) and/or the UTR of the partnership or business.

(e) Where the person holds or held a separate business bank account(s), bank statements for the same 12-month period as the tax return(s).

(f) personal bank statements for the same 12-month period as the tax return(s) showing that the income from self-employment has been paid into an account in the name of the person or in the name of the person and their partner jointly.

(g) Evidence of ongoing self-employment through the provision of at least one of the following: a bank statement dated no more than three months earlier than the date of application showing transactions relating to ongoing trading, or evidence dated no more than three months earlier than the date of application of the renewal of a licence to trade or of ongoing payment of business rates, business-related insurance premiums, employer National Insurance contributions or franchise payments to the parent company.

(h) One of the following documents must also be submitted:
(i)
   (aa) If the business is required to produce annual audited accounts, such accounts for the last full financial year;
or
   (bb) If the business is not required to produce annual audited accounts, unaudited accounts for the last full financial year and an accountant’s certificate of confirmation, from an accountant who is a member of a UK Recognised Supervisory Body (as defined in the Companies Act 2006) or who is a member of the Institute of Financial Accountants, The Association of Authorised Public Accountants, The Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy, The Chartered Institute of Management Accountants, the Association of International Accountants and The Association of Accounting Technicians;
(ii) A certificate of VAT registration and the VAT return for the last full financial year (a copy or print-out) confirming the VAT registration number, if turnover is in excess of £79,000 or was in excess of the threshold which applied during the last full financial year;
(iii) Evidence to show appropriate planning permission or local planning authority consent is held to operate the type/class of business at the trading address (where this is a local authority requirement); or
(iv) A franchise agreement signed by both parties.

(i) The document referred to in paragraph 7(h)(iv) must be provided if the organisation is a franchise.

8. In respect of self-employment outside of the UK, evidence should be a reasonable equivalent to that set out in paragraph 7.

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Earnings have been consistently above the 18500.

Just to clarify, it's £18,600, not £18,500... it might not seem like a big difference, but that £100 is important - for some, it will be the difference between a visa refusal and a visa approval.

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Regarding the job offer I have in the UK. I have a signed contract, start date, and a signed offer letter on company letterhead. They also provided me with a letter stating why they want to hire me. (lawyer advised I ask for that)

All you need is the signed contract and the offer letter. As long as they are official and printed on company letterhead, and the job offer meets the requirements, they should be accepted without issue.

I've been giving daily advice on the documents required for a spousal visa for almost 15 years and I've never heard of anyone needing to send a letter stating why the company wants to hire them. It is not listed in the official requirements, therefore it is not needed and is unlikely to even be looked at.

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My concern is how does the home office look at job offers and decide if they are legitimate? If that company is new and doesn't have a history of high turnover would they decide its not a legitimate job offer?

They will read the offer letter and the contract, tick a box to say that the job offer meets the requirement, and move on to the next part of the application.

In 15 years, I think I've only seen a job offer be questioned maybe 2 times... and those circumstances were:
- the job offer was made by a close relative of the UK sponsor and the legitimacy of the job was questionable
- the job offer letter was not on company letterhead, which made UKVI question whether the company even existed (i.e. it looked like the letter was written by a friend and printed at home).


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2020, 04:45:20 PM »
Hi again,

My freelance earnings have been well above the required amount for the last ten years and I have all the equivalent evidence to back that up including tax returns, invoices, bank statements. The American versions of the uk docs are equivalent but as there isn't a specific list by country its hard to be 100% they will accept them. Would you advise to leave that 2nd letter from the employer out of the submitted docs? Thanks again for all your advice!

Also my wife had a speeding ticket which she didn't pay immediately but subsequently has. Is this something that goes on the application where it asks for any criminal convictions etc.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2020, 05:47:45 PM »
Would you advise to leave that 2nd letter from the employer out of the submitted docs? Thanks again for all your advice!

I’m not sure.

It isn’t needed, but also I don’t think it will be an issue if you include it either... so it’s up to you.

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Also my wife had a speeding ticket which she didn't pay immediately but subsequently has. Is this something that goes on the application where it asks for any criminal convictions etc.

It won’t affect her visa, but it should be declared on the application, to show she is being honest and transparent. I would also include a copy of her driving record and any paperwork she has from the ticket.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2020, 01:02:33 AM »
Thank you so much for the advice on this. The lawyer actually told me to leave the driving ticket off the application which I thought was odd. My wife is trying to obtain her driving record but the DMV's website is terrible so obtaining a copy might be tricky.

The Docs I have so far are.

1.    My Sons Birth Certificate
2.    My Sons UK Passport
3.    My Birth Certificate
4.    My Divorce Decree
5.    My Passport
6.    Wife's Passport
7.    Wife's CV
8.    Wife's Tax Returns 2019 & 2018
9.    Evidence of Shared Financial Responsibility - Apartment Leases 2017 -2020
10.    Marriage Certificate
11.    Permission To Stay At Family Home when we first arrive. Letter from my parents / Proof of ownership of the house / Photos of Mum and Dad's Passports
12.    Family photos

13.   Financial Requirement
   i.   My Self Employment Invoices 2019
   ii.   My Self Employment Invoices 2020
   iii.   My Tax Returns 2018 /2019
   iv.   My 2019 Business Account Statements
   v.   My 2020 Business Account Statements
   vi.   Job Offer Package / Offer Letter / Contract

I think that covers everything. I'm tending on the side of leaving out the extra letter outlining why they are employing me as its answering a question the home office hasn't asked so may seem a bit strange.

Am I missing anything there?

Thanks again!



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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2020, 11:39:59 AM »
Okay, you do not need any of the following as they are not required or relevant to the application:

1.    My Sons Birth Certificate
2.    My Sons UK Passport
3.    My Birth Certificate
7.    Wife's CV
12.    Family photos... you should only include 1 or 2 photos of you and your wife and no one else, to meet the requirement that you have met 1 time in person

You are missing:
- all previous passports your wife has ever held
- mandatory sponsor letter of support for the visa, outlining how you meet each requirement to sponsor her, plus a short, one paragraph history of your relationship
Evidence of living together for every year you have lived together:
- 1-2 items of mail in you and your wife’s name per year to prove you have been living together... this can include:
House deeds
Rental agreements
Mortgage statements
Utility bills
Tax returns (which you already have)
Evidence of your relationship from when you started dating up until you moved in together (and also any time you have lived apart since getting married, if applicable):
- flight tickets from visits to see each other
- letters/cards sent to each other
- evidence of regular communication while living apart: screenshots of email inboxes/message logs/phone logs

So, the documents you need are:

Application Documents
- Wife’s US passport
- Scans of all her previous passports
The following you will be able to sort out/add after applying online:
- First page of online application form
- stamped biometrics appointment sheet
- return shipping label
- return packaging
- receipt for settlement priority processing, if using
- IHS surcharge number/receipt

Sponsor Documents
- scan of Photo page of your U.K. passport
- Sponsor letter of support containing the following:
Paragraph 1: how you are eligible to be a sponsor (your UK citizenship), plus your residential history (i.e. how long you lived in the UK, how long you have lived in the US)
Paragraph 2: how you meet the financial requirement and which financial category you are using
Paragraph 3: where you will live together in the UK, including full address, property details, who owns it
Paragraph 4: short, factual history of your relationship (dates/locations only, no personal emotions) and reasons why you are choosing to settle in the UK instead of staying in the US

Finances - Category B (job offer in the UK)
Evidence of job offer:
   vi.   Job Offer Package / Offer Letter / Contract
Evidence of £18,600 earned in the last 12 months:
i.   My Self Employment Invoices 2019
ii.   My Self Employment Invoices 2020
iii.   My Tax Returns 2018 /2019
iv.   My 2019 Business Account Statements
v.   My 2020 Business Account Statements
I assume you have all the required documents as laid out in Appendix FM 1.7

Accommodation
- Parents’ Land Registry document
- their latest mortgage statement if they have a mortgage
- letter from them confirming you, your wife and son have permission to live with them and that the home will not be overcrowded (number of bedrooms + living rooms, plus total number of people who will be living there)
- I don’t think copies of their passports are actually required but you can send a copy if you want

Evidence of relationship
- marriage certificate
- 2 photos of you and your wife, no one else in the photo... I normally recommend sending 1 from the beginning of the relationship and 1 recent
- Evidence of living together for the entire length of time you have lived together, in the form of mail addressed to both of you at the same address (either joint or separate mail), such as:
Rental agreements
Annual tax returns
Electricity/gas bills
Phone bills
Internet/TV bills
- Evidence of regular communication for the entire length of your relationship that you did not live together, such as:
Boarding passes from trips to see each other
Letters/cards sent to each other
Evidence of regular email/phone/message contact by way of screenshots


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2020, 07:48:27 PM »
Thank you thats extremely helpful!

Which service is best to use for the documents and biometrics?. I'm in NYC and I clicked premium service center. Its only giving me an option to pay either 1200 or 2000 at VFS Global. I may have made a mistake here.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2020, 08:23:16 PM »
Which service is best to use for the documents and biometrics?. I'm in NYC and I clicked premium service center. Its only giving me an option to pay either 1200 or 2000 at VFS Global. I may have made a mistake here.

Yeah, you don't want a Premium Service Center, as you can only give biometrics there if you pay for either the $1,200 or the $2,000 services... and those services are a complete waste of money. They don't get your application processed any faster than not paying for them, so you're basically just paying an extra $1,200 to be able to keep your passport while the visa is processing.

What you want to select is 'USA - Application Support Centre' under Premium Services (https://www.vfsglobal.co.uk/us/en/premium-services) and you book biometrics at one of the USCIS Application Support Centres in New York state... the locations/addresses of the centres in New York State can be looked up here: https://egov.uscis.gov/office-locator/#/ascresults/NY/New%20York

And in terms of which services you may wish to purchase, there is:
- Priority Visa for Settlement (https://www.vfsglobal.co.uk/us/en/premium-services/priority-visa-for-settlement), which costs $796 and gets your application processed in about 30 working days (compared to 60+ working days)

and either:
- Return Courier (https://www.vfsglobal.co.uk/us/en/premium-services/return-courier) - which is $45 for return UPS shipping only (so you have to sort out the outbound shipping to New York yourself)
or
- Roundtrip Courier (https://www.vfsglobal.co.uk/us/en/premium-services/roundtrip-courier) - which is $75 for round trip UPS shipping


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2020, 08:28:06 PM »
I may have screwed up as it won't let me go back and pick another option without cancelling the application and starting again.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2020, 08:33:09 PM »
I may have screwed up as it won't let me go back and pick another option without cancelling the application and starting again.

How far into the process are you on the VFS Global website and what exactly is it saying?

The VFS Global FAQ (https://www.vfsglobal.co.uk/en/visa/help/usa) says:

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An additional service was added to my basket and I couldn’t/can’t remove it. What can I do?

If you are still in the process of booking your appointment, you can remove any unwanted services from your Cart on the ‘Review and Pay’ page, by clicking on the edit icon and removing that service. If you experience any issues with removing unwanted services, or if you paid for a service in error; please visit the homepage of the country you are travelling from, and select the ‘Request a refund’ link at the bottom of the page.

I was asked to pay for a service I didn’t want or need, or one that was not available on the day of my appointment. What can I do?

We are sorry that you had to pay for a service that you didn’t need, or wasn’t subsequently available. Please visit the homepage of the country you are travelling from, and select the ‘Request a refund’ link at the bottom of the page.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2020, 08:39:16 PM »
Im on the VFS global Services Page and its asking to select one of two premium packages. A $2000 or a $1200 package. Screen before that was customer details which was mostly autofilled but no option to select the standard package. I think because I had selected premium in error on the UK GOV site its now fixed unless I cancel the application and start again.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2020, 09:12:22 PM »
I think because I had selected premium in error on the UK GOV site its now fixed unless I cancel the application and start again.

Ah, okay - yes, I think that's the issue.

If you select 'premium' when you submit the online application, that means you are planning to purchase either the $1,200 standard settlement service (60+ working days for processing) or the $2,000 premium settlement service (which includes the $796 priority service, so 30 working days for processing).

If you don't select premium, then you just book biometrics at an ASC, upload your documents and mail your passport to the New York Scanning Hub for processing. If you want the visa processed within 30 working days you can also purchase the $796 priority service.

Is there any way you can go back into your online application and change that part? Or is there an FAQ on the gov.uk website that tells you what to do if you select the wrong thing?

Some things you might be able to do:
- see if you can change the selection on your online application

- see if you can contact anyone at UKVI to find out if it can be changed (https://www.gov.uk/contact-ukvi-inside-outside-uk/y/outside-the-uk/english)

- see if you can contact anyone at VFS Global to see if they can sort out booking an appointment at an ASC instead of a premium centre (not sure if they are easily contactable or not)

- if you can afford it (and are happy to), you could purchase either the $1,200 or $2,000 premium service anyway and submit your documents and biometrics that way instead

- you could cancel your application, apply for a refund, and then reapply. It can take several weeks for the refund to come through though, so you may have to pay the full amount twice.


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Re: Applying to enter the UK Partner
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2020, 10:35:43 PM »
I contacted UK GOV and they advised the only option was to cancel and start again. Bit of a pain but I don't fancy paying $1200. Ive gotten all the way through back to the three options on the UK GOV site 'pay' tab which are:

Standard Service at a Department of Homeland Security support center $2115

Settlement Priority $2911

VFS Global Center Services $2115 for standard service, then you can select and pay for your chosen service package later.

I think I picked VFS previously but then I must have clicked 'premium' in the next screen. Not entirely sure.

Which one do you advise to choose?


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