Now asking for NHS surcharge when it was $0 for 15 year old?

I should also say that even though this is how a good chunk of America is...

I think it's absolute crap! No one deserves to be treated poorly due to their ethnicity. It's been something that's been going on for centuries and everyone should be working to stop it rather than to perpetuate it. And I have been so disappointed in my country since the 2016 Electoral season started last summer. I thought we were making such strides.

Says ther person who didn't even know what on what terms he was allowed to be in the UK all these years, as he didn't look at the stamp in his passport

I think that's from your exact quote, Sirius...

It actually matches up to what you said. 'Pure ignorance' was your next sentence there...

I think that's from your exact quote, Sirius...

It actually matches up to what you said. 'Pure ignorance' was your next sentence there...

I meant that as "pure ignorance' goes, he has everyone else beat.

How can you not know what terms allows you stay in a country, when it is stamped in your passport?

I meant that as "pure ignorance' goes, he has everyone else beat.

How can you not know what terms allows you stay in a country, when it is stamped in your passport?

No, I get what you're saying. But he was quoting you. I'm not sure that quote even had anything from him in it.

The former. I spent Christmas with some Mexican/British friends and they have family in the US.

So what is happening in the US in some places, is it just based on colour of skin?

UKIP has a lot of supporters who are Asian British and Black British. UKIP (UK Independence Party) is about the UK wanting to be independent from the EU. The EU is now 27 European countries who have joined together, first for trade and now some of that group want to keep furthering integration to try to make that European Union, one country. i.e. same taxes, same laws, same currency (we already know that will never work because of the different economies). European ancestry is different shades of white, from the darker shade of white from the southern countries like Spain and Greece, to the lightest shades of white as you go further north i.e. Sweden. Nature coping with the different climates.



Pure ignorance. I loved the "speak English". That shows how stupid the abusers are if they don't know that the US doesn't have it's own language. Countries that are built on immigration are going to have a lot of different languages from other countries and not everyone is going to speak the same imported language.

I had the misfortune to see a small part of a Jerry Springer show when I was flicking channels, which seemed to be filmed a long time ago, but there was someone ranting about Mexicans speaking Spanish in the US. Do the Spanish in the US get picked on for speaking their own language? Or the Italians for speaking Italian? Or is it just the darker skinned people like Mexicans, who happen to speak the Spanish language?

My masters is in International Business.  The big thing professors used to always teach was:  What do you call someone who speaks two languages?  bilingual.  What do you call someone who speaks three languages?  trilingual.  What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American.

I had to prove proficiency in a second language to graduate and I know Spanish.  Which was very useful living in Florida (large Cuban population), not so much in Colorado.

But honestly, I think the Brits are WAY worse than Americans at being open to other languages.  I get that this is England where English is spoken.  But the lack of knowledge of foreign languages is really shocking to me.  And it could just be my experience of my inlaws, but they don't try to learn any basic parts of languages when travelling either which annoys me.  At least learn hello, goodbye, thank you, etc.   

Yeah, I heard that 'joke' too. I don't know a second language though. It's not even an option in any of the school systems I went to to start a language until you are 14/15 in high school!

Spanish not being useful in Colorado? That's just weird to me... I lived there for 20 years and there are a lot of Spanish speakers. I quite literally spoke to people who only spoke Spanish, but I worked in the hospitality industry. They would call and ask to speak with someone who spoke Spanish, and when no one was available or they got frustrated with our inability to communicate they'd hang up.

- Asians moving over during the Wild West/Gold Rush times - lots of laws to make their lives difficult.
- The Irish immigrating during the Famine years. They were hated by a LOT of people. Have you seen Blazing Saddles? They make a 'joke about being willing to take the blacks and the Chinese but not the Irish. Seriously. It happened in the movie and it absolutely happened in real life.



- Then all of the hispanics moving to America from Puerto Rico, and other Caribbean countries, were treated terribly. 
 
- The Greeks were looked down on, the Italians were looked down on. We didn't have a lot of immigrants from Spain, I think mostly in part to how Communist/Fascist they were and a lot of their immigrants probably went to South American instead... Our Spanish speakers are mostly from Latin and South America.

I didn't realise that.

I don't think it happens so much in Australia, another country built on immigtation. Unless i just don't see it when I am over there?

I remember hearing that the Irish didn't used to have a good time in the UK when they moved over during the 1800s.

By the way... the United Kingdom doesn't have an official language either... It only has a national langauge of English, just like the US.

  Nice try. The UK is made up of four countries and they all have their own language. The other three just tend to use the language of one of those four countries,, which is a shame. They are doing more get their own language more widely spoken by their citizens.

Go to Wales and they have the signs in Welsh and English. In the 80s they decided to teach Welsh in their schools again as although north Wales spoke Welsh, it was lost in south Wales.

When I lived in South Wales my neighbour was fluent in Welsh and I did try to learn it, but although I started to understand, they laughed at my attempts to speak it. It's all those LLLL that I struggled to get my tongue around. I struggled trying to pronouce the nanes of their towns and villages too, unless they told me the correct pronunciation. My German is quite bad too as I can't make those guttural sounds.

Spanish not being useful in Colorado? That's just weird to me... I lived there for 20 years and there are a lot of Spanish speakers. I quite literally spoke to people who only spoke Spanish, but I worked in the hospitality industry. They would call and ask to speak with someone who spoke Spanish, and when no one was available or they got frustrated with our inability to communicate they'd hang up.

No where near the amount of Spanish speakers in Colorado as Florida!  Surprised me too. 

No, I get what you're saying. But he was quoting you. I'm not sure that quote even had anything from him in it.

He cropped it to try and look clever, but that ship has sailed after passportgate SS

  Nice try. The UK is made up of four countries and they all have their own language. The other three just tend to use the language of one of those four countries,, which is a shame. They are doing more get their own language more widely spoken by their citizens.

Go to Wales and they have the signs in Welsh and English. In the 80s they decided to teach Welsh in their schools again as although north Wales spoke Welsh, it was lost in south Wales.

When I lived in South Wales my neighbour was fluent in Welsh and I did try to learn it, but although I started to understand, they laughed at my attempts to speak it. It's all those LLLL that I struggled to get my tongue around. I struggled trying to pronouce the nanes of their towns and villages too, unless they told me the correct pronunciation. My German is quite bad too as I can't make those guttural sounds.

Actually it's true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_Kingdom

I didn't realise that.

I don't think it happens so much in Australia, another country built on immigtation. Unless i just don't see it when I am over there?

Australia can be just as bad as the US.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2016/04/08/4439686.htm

You have to read past the bit where it talks about multiculturalism being in their laws. It's the same in the US. It's not within the law to be racist...

'If Australian multiculturalism is such a success, what explains the persistence of racism? Perhaps the easiest explanation is that any multicultural success remains incomplete. Our sensibilities are still catching up with the changes that have occurred within the composition of our population.

And it's more than just social sensibilities that have lagged behind. Our institutions and organisations have failed to change to reflect our multicultural realities. Another way of saying this is to say that racism exists in structural forms. It resides not only in social interactions, but also in the systems and rules that govern what is normal and what is deviant.'


Unless you have a minority person in your group, you aren't likely to notice how differently they are treated unless you are actively watching for it.

This is one black American woman's experience living in the Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/social/the-reality-of-racism-in-australia-20160629-gpun8t.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/02/new-zealand-warned-overt-racism-australia

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/racism-in-australia-maxine-beneba-clarke-writes-from-experience/news-story/5b41d0a574d0982a370f1d2445211849

http://mashable.com/2016/08/08/racist-encounter-flight-australia/#SzS9eIPdFPqp

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-28192696
' Studies have shown that Mr Goodes is not alone. Angeline Ferdinand, a research fellow at the University of Melbourne, told the BBC that a staggering 97% of Aborigines she had surveyed had suffered racial discrimination in the past year.

"The most frequent forms of racism tend to be jokes and comments, stretching all the way to physical abuse and having property vandalised or destroyed," she said.

"Even as someone working in this area I was surprised at how common they were," the US-born academic added. "There is research in Australia to demonstrate that racism is increasing overall." '

I meant that as "pure ignorance' goes, he has everyone else beat.

How can you not know what terms allows you stay in a country, when it is stamped in your passport?

If you are referring to ignorance of the rules about immigration, I'll admit to that.  Although I doubt I have everyone else beat.  My immigration was sorted years ago, it's just not that important to me, once I confirmed that the xenophobes can't vote me out. 

I am not ignorant in spotting racism, and able to understand that a racist party can have black and Asian members.  I think that's where we disagreed.