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Moving to Scotland...NEED ADVICE!!!!!!
« on: July 18, 2005, 06:52:44 PM »
Hello Everyone!

Well I guess I should give  a little background on myself..hopefully it will help with your advice-giving!

I'm 19 and this will be the first "big move" from my parents( haha yes!!) I went to Scotland on vacation a year ago and fell in love. Right now I am a waitress, but I want to go to school to study Theater.

I have no idea on how to move over to another country! What do I need? Where do I get it? Once over where are there any good jobs? How is public trans ( I want to live in Glasgow)...etc

If you could help it would be much appreciated!!

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Re: Moving to Scotland...NEED ADVICE!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2005, 07:20:54 PM »
Hello Everyone!

Well I guess I should give  a little background on myself..hopefully it will help with your advice-giving!

I'm 19 and this will be the first "big move" from my parents( haha yes!!) I went to Scotland on vacation a year ago and fell in love. Right now I am a waitress, but I want to go to school to study Theater.

I have no idea on how to move over to another country! What do I need? Where do I get it? Once over where are there any good jobs? How is public trans ( I want to live in Glasgow)...etc

If you could help it would be much appreciated!!

Thanks,
Manda ;D

Mandy,

First of all, you have to decide what it is you want to do -- work or study.  Doing a 4-year degree at a UK university will probably be an expensive business as you would be paying international student tuition.  In order to be eligible for home tuition fees, you need to have resided in the UK for 3 years prior to starting your course.  To get a student visa, you must be able to prove that you have sufficient funds to finance your education, and that you intend to leave at the end of your course.  Some UK universities are compatible with U.S. student loans (Title IV schools) but you have to investigate if the university that has the program you want would be compatible.  Also, it's more difficult to get grants and scholarships as a foreign student -- there are much fewer of those to go around than at a US university.  It's not a decision you should take lightly, so it's worth doing your homework on it.  As a student, you are allowed to work 20 hours per week during term time and 40 hours a week during holiday time (summer and Xmas).

Working in the UK can be VERY difficult, as a work permit/visa is required and these are challenging to obtain.  An employer must prove that there is no one more qualified than you that they can hire for a given job, only after they have exhausted their resources trying to find a UK national to fill the post.  Given the fact that you have not yet studied at university, I think you may have a difficult time qualifying for a visa, unless it is in one of the shortage areas specified on the home office Web site.  Even at that, I think that they tend to prefer EU nationals over Americans in many situations. 

The other factor that makes things difficult to get a job is the fact that it is illegal to go to the UK and search for a job whilst on a visitor's visa.  You would need to make all applications from outside of the UK, which is tough.  If you declare to an immigration officer that the purpose of your visit is to seek employment in the UK, you will almost certainly put your right to visit in jeopardy.

Not to be rude, but you're still pretty young, Mandy, so I would carefully consider all of the options and think about what they will mean for your future as well.  If you/your parents can afford the international tuition, then great.  But if you're going to need to finance it by yourself, exclusively with loans, you'll be paying all of that off for a long time to come.  You may want to consider attending a US university for awhile, and then doing a semester abroad at a Scottish university, or the BUNAC program, which allows you to live and work a student-type job for up to 6 months after you graduate from a US university. 

I know you're in love, but try not to let that cloud your judgment, because the decisions you're making now could have lasting effects.  If your significant other truly loves you, then they will wait for you until the time is truly right for you to be together.

Whatever you decide, just bear in mind that moving to a new country is a huge deal.  It requires lots of planning and careful contemplation.  It's not as easy to negotiate as it might seem.

Good luck with your decision!
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Re: Moving to Scotland...NEED ADVICE!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2005, 07:27:09 PM »
I know you're in love, but try not to let that cloud your judgment, because the decisions you're making now could have lasting effects.  If your significant other truly loves you, then they will wait for you until the time is truly right for you to be together.

I thought Mandy meant that she fell in love with Scotland, not with a person. Am I wrong?

Hummingbird, I have to say that was one of the most clearly-written, level-headed and all around A+ posts I've ever seen in response to moving questions! Way to go!
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2005, 07:33:52 PM »
I thought Mandy meant that she fell in love with Scotland, not with a person. Am I wrong?

Oh!  Did I mis-read that?  Oops!

Hummingbird, I have to say that was one of the most clearly-written, level-headed and all around A+ posts I've ever seen in response to moving questions! Way to go!

Thanks!  :)  I guess I've been through the paces so many times, with both studying and working in Scotland, I've got the drill down!  ;D



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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2005, 08:50:18 PM »
I agree with hummingbird.  Coming as an undergrad student is an option, but the fees are VERY, VERY steep for international students.  And you'll have to use US-based financial aid to fund it - grants and loans here are for British students to use.  We're talking between £7,000-£11,000/academic year.  And that's the just tuition and fees.  Then there's books and living expenses.  And I have to say, unless you live in San Francisco, Boston or NYC, you're going to find it more expensive to live here than the US.  Plus you can only work part-time during term and full-time at holidays. 

I did a year study abroad from my US university, however, and paid in-state tuition and fees b/c of an exchange programme the uni had set up. 

BUNAC is also an option after graduation.

I know when I was your age, however, I made some financial decisions I came to regret for years afterwards.  One of those was taking more student loan than absolutely necessary.  Even though it was only for one semester, I wound up paying that back for 5 years after graduation.  Not fun.

Good luck.


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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2005, 09:07:30 PM »
Y'know, aside from all the tuition fees and loans, you also have to save additional money to pay for extras like books and transportation, etc.  It took me 9 months to save $5,000 (which is the minimum they'd like to see a student have in his/her savings account) and I got absolutely hammered on the exchange rates when I got to the UK.  My savings were powdered.  It's worth keeping the exchange rate in perspective, too.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2005, 10:23:42 PM »
Oh!  Did I mis-read that?  Oops!

No, no, no. I might have been the one to mis-read it. Mandy?
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Re: Moving to Scotland...NEED ADVICE!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2005, 12:04:41 AM »
Welcome Mandy!

What schools are you looking at?

Good Luck!  :)

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2005, 12:37:12 AM »
I don't know what schools you are looking at, but I'm about to go to St Andrews so that is the one I know about. There are a number of American students there (sometimes seems more Americans than Scots), although many are there for a year abroad instead of a full degree. There is a bunch of info and helpful (or at least sometimes entertaining) forums at http://www.thesinner.net/ . There's an advice to Americans section that may be of some help.

Studying in UK as an American is expensive, as many here will vouch. I got lucky -- my wife's job with the University gets me home fees which makes it much cheaper (ie. possible). Don't expect to find the same thing very easily.

Good Luck, I hope to see you in Scotland someday.

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Re: Moving to Scotland...NEED ADVICE!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2005, 09:35:12 AM »
There are a number of American students there (sometimes seems more Americans than Scots)


The running joke among locals there is that the only Scots you'll find in St. Andrew's are hired help and shopkeepers. 



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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2005, 03:18:29 PM »
Thank You all for your advice!

With financing it really won't be a problem, my parents and grandparents have been saving since the day I was born. I have looked into and contacted the school I wish to attend ( the royal scottish academy of music & drama, obviously I'll be going for the drama) so I know exactly what I need to spend on tuition, books, and since I'm an undergrad the first year i get room&board......as of right now I can afford two years.

But I had no idea about the visas! Thanks hummingbird for the information, i'm going to look into it and make sure everything is done the right way.

P.S. I had a friend who went over to St. Andrews and he told me the exact same joke!  :)



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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2005, 04:05:33 PM »
oh and I meant I fell in love with the city...not a guy ;D


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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2005, 04:06:11 PM »
oh and I meant I fell in love with the city...not a guy ;D

AHA!! I was right!!  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2005, 05:40:06 PM »
AHA!! I was right!!  ;D

Well-spotted!  I guess I'm just so used to hearing about people hooking up  ;D
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Re: Moving to Scotland...NEED ADVICE!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2005, 06:38:26 PM »
hey mandy!!!!

wow we have a lot in common...
I went to college for musical theater in NYC and then moved in with my roommate into our own apartment after graduation.  I worked as a bartender until I got a great job at a hotel in Times square. My (socttish) boyfriend was on a work assignment in america when i met him.  i too came over to scotland and loved it.  my work at the hotel was able to transfer me to glasgow and I just arrived yesterday!!!!!! .....so i cant help that much with some of your questions but i will be able to in due time.  good luck with everything and send me a message if you need anything else.




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