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how's this sound for a laptop?
« on: June 08, 2007, 12:33:46 PM »
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we're looking to buy a laptop. neither of us has ever had one before, and we'll use it primarily for internet access & photo storage.

anybody have any tips/suggestions/caveats?
« Last Edit: June 08, 2007, 12:54:18 PM by niku2 »
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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 12:39:06 PM »
Go for more memory and RAM. The more, the better. For photo storage, invest in an external hard-drive. Toshiba & Sony make good laptops.

I don't know what your budget is, but here are a couple I'd consider, they are more expensive than what you were looking at, however, but will last you longer.

TOSHIBA A100-027 LAPTOP - TOSHIBA A100-027 INTEL PENTIUM DUAL-CORE T2060 PROCESSOR 1.6GHZ LAPTOP
(438559)
• Vista Home Premium • 1GB RAM • 80GB HDD • 15.4'' Widescreen
price inc vat £469.99



PACKARD BELL MZ36-T015 LAPTOP - PACKARD BELL MZ36-T015 INTEL CORE 2 DUO T5500 PROCESSOR 1.66GHz LAPTOP
(001730)

• Vista Home Premium • 1GB RAM • 120GB HDD • 15.4'' Widescreen
price inc vat £548.91

TOSHIBA A100-338 LAPTOP - TOSHIBA A100-338 INTEL CORE 2 DUO T5200 PROCESSOR 1.6GHZ LAPTOP
(892720)

Key Specification
• Vista Home Premium • 1GB RAM • 100GB HDD • 15.4'' Widescreen
price inc vat £599.97
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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2007, 01:53:49 PM »
Hi Niku2

Stella Marie makes some good points there - Get as much RAM and the fastest processor within the budget you want to spend.

You do mention 'relatively' light use, internet surfing and image storage. That's fine for now, but more than likely, you'll find you will use it for more - documents and automation of various aspects of your situation, think Letters & documents, communications, looking after finances, voice comms & maybe webcams for keeping in touch with family in the US etc etc....

This 'light' spec laptop will do all of those, but not very well, you'd need a higher performing machine.

I'm seeking out a laptop at the moment too, and as always, I hunt out the very best spec Vs Price that I can.

Let me know your intended budget and I'll see what recommendations I can find for you including some at below your budget and some over. That gives you a good indication of comparisons... Also, things like
1. will you carry it around at any point? (even if its to friends houses etc?)
2. Do you wish to have something small ? or medium or large sized?
3. Budget for suitable software - Security software, Photo management software, etc
4. Budget for backup drives and software
5. Budget for any extra accessories you may want.

Good thing is, all of the above can be had 'relatively' cheaply from reputable suppliers and at a discount.

I do know of some good places to buy and I'll get you links etc as well

Cheers! DtM! West London & Slough UK!
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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 02:27:08 PM »
Also what operating system are you planning on using?  If you are planning on using Vista you will need to make sure the laptop you are buying can handle it, and all of its enhanced features.  You don't want to buy a new system only to find out after you get it that you need to upgrade it just to use the screensavers.


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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 03:07:20 PM »
as ever, you guys rock. whenever i feel clueless, i know i'll find answers on uky.

i think we're in the market for something up to £500.

as far as dennis' questions:

1) probably won't be moving around too much outside of our house. we'll have it in a dedicated area on a desk.

2) size isn't too much of an issue, although we're looking at laptops to avoid the bulkiness of a hard drive + monitor.

3) no specific budget per se, although i have noticed that some shops toss in norton antivirus for around £30 is you buy your laptop in store.

4) backup drives & software? haven't given them a thought. (see? i am clueless!)

5) as far as extra accessories, i don't foresee us requiring anything. we have a brand-new printer just waiting to get out of its box. beyond that, i don't think there's much else we need. we're both very low-tech, you see.  :P

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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2007, 03:59:29 PM »
Norton has some compatibility issues with Vista, and Vista has some pretty good spam/anti-virus stuff incorporated into it, you would do better to look around online for a free program that works with Vista instead of sinking £30 into Norton only to have to uninstall it in frustration later because it bollocks up the system.

I suggest an external hard drive for storing your photos and stuff because, especially if you are going for a laptop that doesn't have a huge amount of space, it will eat up your space very quickly. You can get fairly huge drives for cheap enough that will add to your storage space considerably.

Most laptops are wireless enabled these days so at most if you wanted to go wireless you'll need to spring for a router.



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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2007, 04:23:54 PM »
Hiya Niku2

You're just under the budget I thought you might have mentioned of £600 or so. In December I got my niece a Laptop for birthday and for use at university. I got her a Dell Inspiron 6400 for £610 inc Delivery & VAT I'll still highly recommend this machine and you can get them at £499 inc VAT and Del in a slightly more basic features/spec level.

The minimum specs I'd recommend and suggest would be
1. Core 2 Duo processor
2. 1GB of RAM minimum
3. 80 GB hard disk - any bigger is a bonus of course
4. Vista Home Premium edition (with Dell, you can still specify with Win XP and if you do, get the Media Centre 2005 edition version!)
5. most home laptops are now Widescreens and the 15.4 inch size with 1280x800 pixels at this price level is both popular and looks good.

the Dell 6400 shown at £499 all in, includes all the above (120GB hard disk) so would be ideal. If you want to upgrade certain elements you can - just go throught the customise option.

I've had 3 Dell Inspirons over the last 8 years or so, and my next one is more than likely going to be a Dell but from their top end Precision range and from Dell themselves its coming in at £scary - but some Pwer Sellers on ebay are doing the same machines (from cancelled orders) for a much better £1500. So for me I've found Dell to be excellent - others can and will strongly contest that!

I'd say don't be tempted by the cheaper Celeron processor based machines, even though they will suffice for your current needs, for the difference in price, it's worth the extra much better performance from a Core 2 Duo processor. The AMD based machines are good as well, again for the Turion processor which is their equivalent of the Core 2 Duo (just something to keep in mind when compariing - however the Intel chip really is excellent and AMD have had a hard time keeping up)

As many UKY people are MAC users, take a look at them as well - I've not had any experience with them aas yet, looking to change that soon so i can see if the fuss about them is worthwhile. Maybe speak to some of these UKY people on their experience and compare to see if you can do the same with them.

Have a look at 'reputable' brand name laptops - warranties, build quality, all vary and I'd only really purchase from a well known supplier for a bit more cash than one of the smaller volume based places - there's more chance of the bigger places sorting your machine out than smaller players (argument falls both ways here tho, bigger companies might give u the run around for customer service and the smaller guy might treat you like a king/queen)

Have a look at Evesham.com - theyre award winning and have some great priced/specced machines. Similarly have a look at http://www.meshcomputers.com/ - they currently have some secial offers on. also look at http://www.rockdirect.com/ these guys are a little pricier but have some excellent spec machines for just a little more. all 3 of these companies are very well reputed as well, all have award winning machines too.


for a roundup of 'sub £500' laptops tested in PC Pro (I subscibe to it !) look here
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/labs/151/vista-notebooks---sub-500-notebooks/products.html

That'll give you a good bit to read !

Have a look at the more expenisve reviews too for comparisons sakes!

Look at Ebuyer and Dabs.com for discounted software and utilities. You will need security software (an absolute must!) and for the paid versions, Norton 360 covers everything for around £50-60, alternatives are Zonealarm Pro and F-Secure.

Norton 360 also includes a backup uliluty as well, if you go for a dedicated solution, then a great one is Acronis True image for around £23.

have a look here for reviews

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper-labs/110594/acronis-true-image-10-home.html (use the drop down box to see each review in the group test!)

External backup drives can be picked u quite cheaply now, a large 320 GB drive is around £70 on ebuyer, so smaller capacities should be less, but for future proofing from what you've described it sounds like a good size.

Free alternatives to the software above are AVAST anti virus - very well known and recommended (only have one Anti Virus solution - never more than one, they interfere) but bear in mind it's ONLY anti virus and no other protection is offered. For Anti Phishing ad Spyware etc, get AdAware SE and/or 2007 - and Spybot Serach and Destroy. Also get Hijak this! - this program scans your PC and shows up everything. It's complicated to an extent, but if you get problems you can post up a 'hijack this' log to computer web forums and people who know alot can analyse it for you and tell you waht to get rid of

specific software such as photo editing stuff, you can get the personal or home versions of the big software again from ebuyer and dabs etc Photoshop essentials srpings to mind.

finally, take a look at the range of machines in PC world where you can touch them and see them - the All in One PC's are great! i got my cousina Sony Vaio with the 20inch TFT screen and PC built into it as they had space issues too. They're a good alternative.

hopefully this will help you ! and seems you got some homework to do! and I do NOT expect one of your 'packages' to be put through my door seeing as I've given you so much to do!!

Cheers! DtM! West London & Slough UK!


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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2007, 04:31:40 PM »
Norton has some compatibility issues with Vista, and Vista has some pretty good spam/anti-virus stuff incorporated into it, you would do better to look around online for a free program that works with Vista instead of sinking £30 into Norton only to have to uninstall it in frustration later because it bollocks up the system.


Norton 360 is certified for use under Vista - it's latest review suggests it's a very good solution.

Alot of the Freeby software as yet is playing catchup for Vista certification, for that reason and other techncial reasons I wouldn't put a non certified for that OS piece of software on, even if it was free.

Niku, there are Vista and 3rd party software compatibility issues with Vista, its Microsoft and ALL other major developers fault together (not just one party) now that vista is out, the onus is firmly on the 3rd party software houses to make their software compatible wth it, this means the consumer has 'choice' again. From what you've described so far, it's only your printer that currently may not have up to date Drivers for Vista for it, go to the manufacturers website and look up the exact model you have and see if they have 'caught up' to offer Vista drivers for it.

I'm currently evaluating Vista Ultimate on my laptop and so far only found a display driver issue which I fixed the other day, i need to try out hardware and other software as yet, but for me so far Vista has been 'ok' - with more testing and especially when I need to use it's more powerful features I can then really decide to switch over to it completely now or wait a bit longer and carry on with XP Professional.

you'll hear alot about these 'incompatibilities' and theres alot of finger pointing and bad mouthing going on - ignore those and look for what you need the PC to do and you can 'get on with it' !

Cheers! DtM! West London & Slough UK!


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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2007, 06:26:31 PM »
Hi Dennis,
I had Norton 360 + Vista and it just ended up creating more problems than it was worth, even though they are supposed to be ok with each other.




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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2007, 09:44:05 PM »
I bought my first laptop a year ago from Office Max. It is a Toshiba Satellite. I'm not a techy so this suits me fine. I paid about $300 after the rebates (I hate them).
I know you pay more in the UK but you make a lot more money there so you can afford the higher prices  ;)
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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2007, 10:43:01 PM »
Hiya Niku2

You're just under the budget I thought you might have mentioned of £600 or so. In December I got my niece a Laptop for birthday and for use at university. I got her a Dell Inspiron 6400 for £610 inc Delivery & VAT I'll still highly recommend this machine and you can get them at £499 inc VAT and Del in a slightly more basic features/spec level.

The minimum specs I'd recommend and suggest would be
1. Core 2 Duo processor
2. 1GB of RAM minimum
3. 80 GB hard disk - any bigger is a bonus of course
4. Vista Home Premium edition (with Dell, you can still specify with Win XP and if you do, get the Media Centre 2005 edition version!)
5. most home laptops are now Widescreens and the 15.4 inch size with 1280x800 pixels at this price level is both popular and looks good.

the Dell 6400 shown at £499 all in, includes all the above (120GB hard disk) so would be ideal. If you want to upgrade certain elements you can - just go throught the customise option.

I ordered a Dell 6400 laptop a couple of days ago, although it hasn't been delivered yet.

It has the same spec as this one (but only 80GB hard drive), plus a 3-year subscription to McAfee (which I hope will work okay with Vista Premium) and a 9-cell battery. I've only paid £430 for it, but got a discount via work - the original spec was about £490, which I thought was pretty good, considering I paid over £500 for my Dell Dimension 5150 PC a year ago.

I'm hoping that I haven't made a mistake going with Vista rather than XP, because I've heard that Vista still has some bugs. I've heard mixed reviews - some good, some bad.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/123115/rb/28421601736

http://h41306.www4.hp.com/section?SID=fcf2f964a93c00716be3a4528e02816ccc4:1223&secid=62612

I personally wouldn't buy from ebuyer, as everything I've ever ordered from there has been faulty and I've had to send it back (my mp3 player died after 5 days - I sent it back and got a replacement, which lasted only 6 months before it went the same way as the first; I got my money back and bought a different one from Amazon. The same thing happened when I ordered an mp3 player for my brother (completely different brand) - it broke after a couple of weeks and we had to get a refund and then buy it from Amazon instead.


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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2007, 10:46:16 PM »
I've been looking into laptops for a while and keep hearing that Toshibas are really good.  They are reasonably priced and I like the one with the security fingerprint scan.  My honey has a Toshiba and he likes it.
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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
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Re: how's this sound for a laptop?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2007, 11:03:53 PM »
I'm hoping that I haven't made a mistake going with Vista rather than XP, because I've heard that Vista still has some bugs. I've heard mixed reviews - some good, some bad.

So far, so good, I really like it. The only issues I have had has been with Norton screwing up (even messed up my sound which was extremely frustrating). I haven't been using a lot of other software yet though, but as far as all the usual Windows stuff, works a treat. The new Outlook (called Windows Mail) has a fantastic spam filter.

If you are transfering from an XP computer to a Vista computer, there is this cable you can get that does the transfer for you and I HIGHLY recommend using it, as it makes everything SOOO easy and it's all done in like, 5 minutes. It imports all your bookmarks, contacts, settings, everything you can imagine, and you don't have to hunt around and do it yourself for every program.


I've been looking into laptops for a while and keep hearing that Toshibas are really good.  They are reasonably priced and I like the one with the security fingerprint scan.  My honey has a Toshiba and he likes it.

Toshibas are great. I like them for laptops. :)

I looked at Macs and was really toying with the idea of crossing over, but they are very expensive!!


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