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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 10:11:59 AM »
clarelynn - you have hit this spot on.

For most folks this will make little difference.

After 7 years of UK residence one become taxable in the UK on worldwide income, unless you want to pay £30,000.

If you become taxable on worldwide income in the UK you can claim credit for US taxes payable.

Where it may cost real money is if you have income that is either tax-free in the States such as muni interest or income/gains that are taxed differently such as gains on sales of US mutual funds which are taxable as capital gains by the US but as income by the UK.


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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2007, 11:50:22 AM »
Big difference in inheritance tax, though.  You don't want to be domiciled in the UK if the bulk of your assets are offshore and you are very rich.  While that doesn't describe most of the readers of this forum, if you are very rich, y'all might be better off paying the £30,000 to remain non-dom.
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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2007, 01:51:51 PM »
But the £30,000 payment has NO IMPACT on actual domicile for inheritance tax purposes.  It is merely an annual charge that could be paid by anyone who wants the benefit of claiming the remittance basis.

It does not and will not affect actual domicile status.  Lizzit's statement is a popular urban myth but not quite correct.

If wealthy one would continue to plan just as before the proposed changes come into effect next April because whether or not you pay the £30,000 charge you remain non-UK domiciled if you are non-UK domiciled.

So - by analogy - the million or so workers from Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe who work here in the UK will remain non-UK domiciled even though hardly any of them would be able to afford to pay the £30,000 charge.


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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2007, 06:34:30 AM »
The law hasn't been finalized yet; from my reading of the source documents, this point isn't clear yet.  Hence my warning about inheritance tax issues.

It does appear that you can choose annually whether to pay the £30,000 or not, but again, this hasn't been finalized yet so not yet clear.

I guess it's all just a wait and see game.
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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2007, 09:35:24 AM »
my friend's accountant sent him the following press release on non-dom....

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<http://www.withyking.co.uk/news/news-detail.cfm> December 03, 2007

Tax update for individuals - Autumn 2007

The taxation of 'non-doms'

The pre-budget report heralded a proposed massive change in the UK tax treatment of those who are foreign domiciled but UK resident. The final detail has yet to come out, and while there is a promise/threat of further consultation, the rough idea of what is proposed is as follows:

*       When an individual comes to the UK without the intention of staying here permanently or indefinitely (he or she essentially sees his or her country of birth as their home) they have historically been able to live here on the basis of a reasonably beneficial tax treatment. This treatment was known as the 'remittance basis' and essentially meant that they paid UK tax only on their UK income, UK capital gains and on any foreign income or gains the proceeds of which were received in the UK. Foreign earnings or other income and gains realised on foreign assets were not taxed if the proceeds were never remitted here.
*       The proposal now is that once an individual has been in the UK for seven years they will be taxed on their worldwide income and gains on an arising basis whether or not they bring any of the money in question to the UK. If they want to continue to benefit from the remittance basis of taxation then they will have to pay an annual levy of £30,000. For the vast majority of foreign domiciled individuals living here, this clearly makes no sense. One would have to have foreign income and gains which you did not need to bring to the UK in excess of £100,000 per annum to make the payment of the levy worthwhile.

While perhaps understandable in terms of 'fairness', the practicalities of the new arrangement will be extremely difficult. The foreign domiciliary with £10,000 of foreign interest in a foreign currency may well suffer tax in the jurisdiction in which the income arose and will also have to calculate sterling equivalents of the interest, currency gains and losses and seek double taxation relief. The burden will be on them, however, to provide details of this income in their UK self-assessment tax return.

For the substantially wealthy foreign domiciliary there are also indications of some hugely important changes. Normal planning for a foreign domiciliary of substantial wealth was to hold foreign investments which were not intended to be used in the UK within a non-resident trust while the individual temporarily lived here. Such arrangements allowed capital gains to be generated free of UK capital gains tax. Such arrangements would seem now to be at risk, no matter when they were set up and even if the individual pays the annual £30,000 levy. Similarly, mechanisms used to seek to convert income into capital prior to remittance would appear to be at risk.

A silver lining?

As mentioned above, this may not be the end for the offshore trust because, given the change in capital gains tax rates, there may be advantages in UK domiciled individuals creating offshore trusts by Will. These may allow growth of a fund capital gains tax free until such time as payments are made to intended beneficiaries, and without the current penal rates of tax (up to 64%) applying on payments to the UK. Following the changes to capital gains tax, even the supplemented capital gains tax charge reaches only 28.8% - significantly below the income tax rate applying to the higher rate taxpayer.

What to do now

1.  Keep a close eye on press releases as more detail becomes clear;
2.  Consider realising assets standing at a significant gain, whether held in trust or not, before April 2008;
3.  Gather information from your offshore bank/investment manager regarding cash and investments held by you offshore;
4.  Keep your fingers crossed that the changes will not be as potentially penal as they at first appear.
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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2008, 06:15:19 PM »
Does anyone know if Social Security payments made in the U.S. are protected from tax in the U.K. under the new non-dom laws?  My accountant in the U.K. hasn't been much help in this area.

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Re: Conservative Party plans to affect non-domiciles?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2008, 06:32:11 PM »
The treatment of US social security is complex depending on domicile status, the remittance basis, the existing tax treaty and levels of other income.

If your existing UK accountant is not familiar with the rules then you should instruct him to take specialist advice so that you get the best overall answer.


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