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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #135 on: January 18, 2008, 10:55:10 AM »
hee hee, I love how we have this same conversation every couple of months on UKY ;)

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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #136 on: January 18, 2008, 10:57:14 AM »
hee hee, I love how we have this same conversation every couple of months on UKY ;)

It's not the only recurring topic...but it beats the knickers off mixer taps and peanut butter for being interesting!
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #137 on: January 18, 2008, 11:03:11 AM »
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #138 on: January 18, 2008, 11:42:35 AM »
I never said it was simple. ;)

People asked why US licences can't be exchanged and I think you've just given the basic answer there.

If it is such a logistical nightmare, then why do other EU countries have agreements with US states? I could trade my licence in Germany if I lived there.
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #139 on: January 18, 2008, 11:45:40 AM »
I would guess either:

a) The agreement is not reciprocal, in which case no logistical nightmare or

b) If the agreement is reciprocal then either the German or US driving agencies were willing to put in the effort.


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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #140 on: January 18, 2008, 11:50:27 AM »
The German agreement differs for different states:

http://www.gettingaroundgermany.info/regeln.htm


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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #141 on: January 18, 2008, 12:00:56 PM »
The German agreement differs for different states:

http://www.gettingaroundgermany.info/regeln.htm

And Switzerland doesn't care.

If it was such the ball ache that it is being made out to be, then why are there agreements with other countries in place? I've pointed out a number of them, and not even all are reciprocal.

It is a real waste of time and resources to require those who are already licensed to drive to go through the whole process again. Written test? Fine, I don't think anyone would have problems agreeing to having to take the theory (often you have to do this in the US when you move to another state). But the whole thing when I already know how to drive? Crazy. I've been driving for 10 years without incident, as Paul said, we are not teenagers.

I realise the unique positions of countries like Canada (Commonwealth) and Poland (EU member), but those drivers are no better qualified than we are, and yet are given the privilege of swapping their licence. Given the increasing flow of US immigrants to the UK, a number of whom are here for 2 or 3 years for work or study, I think the rule needs to change and some accommodation needs to be made. Other EU countries have acknowledged this, it is about time the UK does.
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #142 on: January 18, 2008, 12:02:54 PM »
it is about time the UK does.


No one is saying it shouldn't ... just suggesting reasons why it may not so far have done so.  ;)


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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #143 on: January 18, 2008, 12:05:16 PM »
Garry has hinted that our Advocacy team might take this up if there is enough support. Feel free to start a new thread with a poll to see what the general sentiment is.  :)
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #144 on: January 18, 2008, 04:55:30 PM »
So the general reason for having a limited time to use an out-of-state (or foreign) licence appears to be jurisdictional.

Yes, just the same as a state gives you 10 days, or 30 days or whatever when you move to re-register your car and obtain license plates from your new state of residence.

I think the issue that most people have is not the requirement to obtain a U.K. license, but the way the system treats already licensed drivers as though they were learning from scratch and demands the full range of tests expected of a new driver.  Couple that with the way the system grants full U.K. driving entitlement for the first year, and it just makes no sense.

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The US won't exchange our licences so we don't exchange theirs.

As with every state, Nebraska requires a license within so many days of taking of up residency, but with the usual sort of clauses that existing out-of-state license holders may not be required to take the full range of tests -- Subject to the DMV's discretion and suitable driving record, etc.  When I was there that was taken to include waiving the practical part of the test for an existing U.K. license backed by several years driving and a clean record.

The British system is too rigid:  If you hold a license from an EU country or another country on the approved list you can just swap, even if you have a terrible driving record, but anyone from a country not on that list has to start at square one even if he's been driving safely for years.

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I would be careful though, I'm not a legal expert, but it seems to me that all insurance documents include some declaration that you have a "valid licence" so if you declare that but don't (in the case of a 12 month + US licence) then they could invalidate the claim based on you misleading them, not any illegality.

Most insurers include all sorts of clauses to the effect that the policy will be invalidated if you don't comply with this or that, but my understanding is that regardless of those clauses they may not refuse a third-party claim anyway.  I'm no legal expert either, but that's the situation as I've seen it set out. 

I remember seeing something similar about a British learner (i.e. on a "provisional" license -- a learner's permit) and how it affected the insurance issue because he had told the insurer that he held a full license.  The legal response was that while he could certainly be charged under the license violation ("driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence" if not accompanied, no L-plates, etc.), he could not be charged with driving uninsured, since he did have a policy to drive the vehicle in question.

Frankly, as I see the situation an American driving on a U.S. license beyond the 12-month period is really only a committing what I would call a "paper offense."    Yes, it's illegal, but it's not really hurting anybody.  Thousands of British motorists commit similar "paper offenses" every day, by driving on an expired tax disk for a few days, by driving beyond the expiry of an MoT certificate for a week or two, by failing to notify a change of engine size, etc.
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #145 on: January 19, 2008, 06:20:20 PM »
Garry has hinted that our Advocacy team might take this up if there is enough support. Feel free to start a new thread with a poll to see what the general sentiment is.  :)

This is not a hint, but rather an outright statement.  Leah has designated a small contingent to make representations at the American Consular Services unit attached to the US Embassy in London.  We are after their support for our MP writing campaign, but if there's a strong sentiment about the driving license issue, I'll add it to the agenda.

For obvious reasons, the constituency for this issue would have to be law-abiding with respect to the current driving license restrictions because it wouldn't do to make representations on behalf of scofflaws.


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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #146 on: January 19, 2008, 06:28:44 PM »
This is not a hint, but rather an outright statement.  Leah has designated a small contingent to make representations at the American Consular Services unit attached to the US Embassy in London.  We are after their support for our MP writing campaign, but if there's a strong sentiment about the driving license issue, I'll add it to the agenda.

For obvious reasons, the constituency for this issue would have to be law-abiding with respect to the current driving license restrictions because it wouldn't do to make representations on behalf of scofflaws.

This could backfire. New rule change. No longer 12 months but only 3 months?
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #147 on: January 19, 2008, 06:34:45 PM »
This could backfire. New rule change. No longer 12 months but only 3 months?

Yes it could. 

That's why there needs to be strong sentiment for taking it forward.   ;)


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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #148 on: January 19, 2008, 09:48:12 PM »
take it from someone who learned the hard way.. I had a full US liscence and a provisional Uk liscence.. with bad advice as another poster above has stated I was done for driving otherwise than in accordance with liscence.. and when I asked in court what would have happened if I didnt have the Uk provisional  and only the US one they said I would have been done for driving without a liscence..  You might think it is a waste of time but it really isnt.. better safe than sorry i say.. I lucked out and got off pretty easy.. it could have been so much worse..
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Re: Enforcement of 12 month driving rule
« Reply #149 on: January 22, 2008, 12:28:02 AM »
well, Texas doesn't care if you have a full UK license. I told them how hard it was to get, but they couldn't do anything about it. When I took the road test, there were many people of several nationalities there, Asian, Middle eastern, Mexican/Hispanic, I am sure at least most of them were driving in their countries before moving here.

I just wish the UK way of getting a license was as easy as the US way, but then again, I am better driver for having a UK license after all those hours of lessons!
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