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turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« on: April 30, 2008, 12:49:45 PM »
We are now living with my inlaws for the next 8 months or so. Both of them, but my FIL in particular, are obsessed with turning off ALL mains socket switches at night. The only one they leave on is the fridge. They swear they hear tons of news stories about laptops that catch fire, etc etc. They are also very worried about the cordless phone and DAB radio we brought with us. Both have those larger box-type plugs that get warm when plugged in.

While having to turn things back on every morning is a PITA, I can live with it. But DH and I do think that they are fearful for little reason. And coming from a country where you can't turn the sockets off, it does make it a little tiresome for me. ;-)

So what's the deal? Are they right to do this or just overly cautious?

(BTW, this may have been discussed in a previous thread but I'm on dial-up temporarily so don't want to use the search as it will take forever!).
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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2008, 01:02:47 PM »
We turn them off at home.  Not due to a fire fear or anything.  But, DH was able to prove to me that it actually saves quite a bit on electricity.  Now it is just habit, but, it used to be annoying.
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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2008, 01:03:55 PM »
My Dad does this and lectured us as children!  Very annoying.

The only thing I'm wary about and that I make sure is switched of at the socket is mobile phone chargers, I'm pretty sure that these are dangerous but can't give you any reason why other than I'm sure I heard that once!

Everything else I leave plugged in and switched on!


Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2008, 01:09:24 PM »
When I first came over I was staying at DH's house and his housemate kept getting quite annoyed with me because everytime I was done with an appliance I shut off the switch AND unplugged it.  Mainly because I really didnt know that you could leave them on and unplugged.. these sockets were new to me and i wasnt sure how to work them.

Now, we unplug the most dangerous things but the phone and toaster stay plugged in all the time... but switched off.


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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2008, 01:15:26 PM »
My parents are the same!! And anytime they have visited us they tell us to turn off this, that and the other.  I think you do save a bit by turning everything off but I'm blowed if I'm resetting the Sky box or oven clock every day.


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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2008, 01:16:47 PM »
DH was able to prove to me that it actually saves quite a bit on electricity.

How?  I have heard the same, and tend to switch them off, but my boyfriend doesn't believe it would save a thing...
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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2008, 01:18:26 PM »
I think it saves money if it is something like a Tv or VCR that is on standby, but surely it can't save money if it is say a desk lamp that is switched off can it?

I admit I could totally be wrong, but it just seems unlikely.


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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2008, 01:18:56 PM »
How?  I have heard the same, and tend to switch them off, but my boyfriend doesn't believe it would save a thing...

He showed me the electric bill before we switched things off and then after.  We saved £6 a month by doing it.  That is £72 a year!
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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2008, 01:33:51 PM »
It will save when there are standby lights, but things like TV's usually have larger switches that will get rid of the stanby light anyway.

And you shouldn't keep resetting a Sky box anyway, it can affect the memory.

My mum always switches things off and unplugs at the mains...I think she is paranoid that, if the house it hit by lightning, the current will travel down the wiring and blow the telly up.  I always take the pi$$ out of her for this, but sometimes you have to humour mothers.

I am sure Paul will be along to tell us the truth of this at some point  ;D

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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2008, 01:36:25 PM »
I watched a Oprah program last week that was about people going green. there was a scientist on the show who said even though your aren't using any electrical appliances it is still using 40% energy. so he suggested that if you weren't using any appliances that it is better to unplugged them or if they are plug into a power strip to shut the power strip off.

If you wanted to have a look here is the link.

http://www.oprah.com/world/enviro/green/living/green_living_main.jhtml



Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2008, 01:44:05 PM »
I watched a Oprah program last week that was about people going green. there was a scientist on the show who said even though your aren't using any electrical appliances it is still using 40% energy. so he suggested that if you weren't using any appliances that it is better to unplugged them or if they are plug into a power strip to shut the power strip off.

Would it make any difference that Oprah is filmed in America and their outlets dont have an on/off switch .. its just plugged in or not plugged in?


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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2008, 01:52:32 PM »
...even though your aren't using any electrical appliances it is still using 40% energy...

Any appliance is too vague.  Things that have a physical shut-off switch won't draw any power.

As a rule things that will draw power include:
  • Anything in standby mode. (Even if it doesn't say standby if you can turn it on with the remote control it's in standby)
  • Anything with a transformer (like a 'power brick') will draw power as long as the transformer is plugged in (and the socket switched on) - this includes phone chargers.
  • Obviously anything with a clock.

If it's worth while to unplug them depends.  I don't unplug the microwave because I don't want to re set the clock every day.  I don't unplug the TV but I do turn it off at night (not standby.)  I do unplug my phone charger because it saves power and doesn't inconvenience me.

BTW from a power saving point-of-view physically unplugging and turning off the socket are the same.


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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2008, 02:55:27 PM »
I switch off most things at the wall out of habit, I don't unplug them though.


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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2008, 05:10:34 PM »
We switch off everything but the fridge and phone when we leave for a trip but usually everything stays on. At least the outlets we're using. If nothing's plugged in, we turn it off.


We were visiting my FIL though and went for a day trip and he turned off the plug that had my computer plugged in while I was downloading something substatial for work. If he'd let me know, I'd have paused the download but he didn't, so I lost about 4Gigs of downloaded information that I had to redo.

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Re: turning off the mains switches - necessary??
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2008, 05:53:59 PM »
They are also very worried about the cordless phone and DAB radio we brought with us. Both have those larger box-type plugs that get warm when plugged in.

The "wall wart" power supplies contain a transformer, so they are intended to get slightly warm during normal use.   Personally -- and in common with a good many other technical friends -- I don't like these units for other reasons, but so long as they are designed and protected properly, they are O.K. in this respect.

Unfortunately, there have been some cases of badly designed units finding their way onto the market in both the U.K. and the U.S., totally devoid of any fusing or over-temperature protection.  I stripped one apart a few months ago which was like that.   You can guess where it was made. 

there was a scientist on the show who said even though your aren't using any electrical appliances it is still using 40% energy.

I'd like to know how he arrived at a 40% figure.  It will depend entirely upon the type and design of the appliance concerned. 

As PR noted, anything which has a real on/off switch (you know, the "old fashioned" type which actually has an "on" and an "off" position) will use zero energy when switched off.  That includes closet lights with a pull-chain, electric drills with a trigger switch, a heater where you physically move a rotary, toggle, or rocker switch to on or off, etc. 

When it comes to stuff which has a standby mode, the ratio of in-use to standby power depends upon what it is.   In standby mode, the unit is still consuming a small amount of power to run the control circuitry and the receiver which detects the signal from your remote control (plus whatever else it needs in standby mode, such as the clock on a VCR).   

If that control circuitry which is on all the time consumes, say, 8 watts, and the appliance draws a total of 20 watts when it's in use, then yes, it's using 40% in standby mode.  But if you had the same 8-watt control circuitry switching a 1000-watt heater on and off remotely, that's a different story altogether.

It's true to say that in the case of things like a TV set that proportion is now higher than it once was, not because the amount of power consumed on standby is that much higher but because the total power that the set consumes when operating has dropped over the years.  An average 26-inch color TV today uses considerably less power than the equivalent 26-inch color TV of 30 years ago, for example, although the standby power may well be about the same.

My mum always switches things off and unplugs at the mains...I think she is paranoid that, if the house it hit by lightning, the current will travel down the wiring and blow the telly up.

There is a certain level of protection from lightning afforded by unplugging equipment when it's not in use, although generally to indirect strikes where induced voltages travel down power and telephone lines.  If you're unlucky enough to suffer a direct strike on the house though, things are going to get toasted no matter what!

In the early days of television there was considerable persuasion from some quarters to switch off the set when unattended, and it's true that in a tiny minority of failures a fire did result, so it's advice which wasn't without merit.   Once switched off at the set though (and "off at the set" in those days really did mean "off," not standby) the extra push to unplug at the wall every night was really going a little overboard. 

Like "no sockets in the bathroom" though, this is something which has been ingrained in the British psyche for a long time, often reinforced by overcautious safety messages, like this one:

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