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Counting down...
« on: June 13, 2008, 05:26:14 AM »
I'm starting an MA program in a few months- so nervous!  ???

Any tips from veterans? How will it be different from grad study in the US? Class format, professor availability, writing, socializing...?


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2008, 06:05:46 AM »
My master's degree last year was almost completely individual research, so was probably not similar to what you'll be doing, but as a PhD student now in the US, I can hopefully give some info on the way things work in the UK vs the US.

In general, I have found that US grad school is much more demanding and focused on individual work than the UK, in terms of: (in science, at least) you are accepted on a US masters program and then you form an individual masters program of study and research project and then it takes however long to finish (you don't always have a specific end date), but in the UK, everyone on the same degree course will usually take the same classes (with the exception of some electives), everyone takes the same amount of time to complete the course and usually everyone graduates together.

I've found that the US demands a lot more work and teaching responsibilities from grad students compared to the UK (in the UK, TAing is usually only done by PhD students and it's for extra pay on top of your research grant, so is not a necessity to gain funding). The first term of my masters in the UK, I had about 4 hours of classes per week, a couple of research papers to read and no real responsibilities (I was only on campus 2 or 3 days a week and the rest of the time just hanging out at home doing not much at all) - although the classes weren't graded as the entire degree was awarded based on the thesis, so not much pressure there.

But the first semester of grad school here, I've had to teach a lab class each week (on my own), help out with a 101 class, grade over a hundred quizzes/labs per week, take my own classes every day of the week, do very difficult homework for those classes, and work on my own research project at the same time!

In terms of UK class format, there is generally much less emphasis on participation than in the US - class participation/attendance doesn't count towards the grade and so not so many people ask questions (at least at undergrad level anyway). In lectures, it's more a case of sitting quietly in the lecture hall while the prof talks at the front, but if you have seminars/discussion groups you will be expected to contribute.

Professor availability: Well, I never usually contacted my professors outside of class time, so I'm not too sure - 'office hours' don't really exist as such (as in profs don't usually have scheduled office hours), so if you want to see a prof outside of class, you would probably email or call to arrange a time to meet or just stop by their office to see if they're free.

Writing: I have no idea - I was a physics undergrad and an earth science postgrad, so apart from my undergrad dissertation and my masters thesis, I didn't really do much writing (almost my entire undergrad degree was Math - I only wrote 5 papers in 5 years)  ::).

Socialising: I had a great social life on my masters course - everyone on the course was working in the same 'office' so we spent a lot of time together (including a month-long field trip in Central America!) - I met some of my best friends while doing my masters :). The pub will probably feature a lot in the social life of masters students ;) (my department had a weekly 'happy hour' on Friday at 5pm where all the grad students and profs could meet in the coffee lounge in the department for a few beers/glasses of wine and a bit of socialising - often followed by an evening in the pub afterward). There's also nightclubs, bars, the cinema, the theatre, restaurants, shopping etc. - all the usual stuff :).


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2008, 11:12:36 AM »
Thanks for that info, ksand24!

I'm in the same place you are, treacle, in that I'm starting an MBA programme in the UK this autumn. It's nice to have an idea of some of the differences. It's been quite a while since I was in school anyway so any info is a great help!


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2008, 04:51:10 PM »
Wonderful, ksand24!

I'm a mature student as well (30+). Would I stand out too much? AngelaK, where are you studying? I'm lucky that my school (SOAS) has a large population of mature students (though that means anyone over 25, apparently).


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2008, 04:58:44 PM »
Wonderful, ksand24!

I'm a mature student as well (30+). Would I stand out too much? AngelaK, where are you studying? I'm lucky that my school (SOAS) has a large population of mature students (though that means anyone over 25, apparently).

No problem :).

Last year, there were 14 people on my Masters course and while a good proportion of us were 22/23 years old, there were also people who were 25, 33, 34 and 52 on the course too! I don't think it'll be much of a problem though - you tend to get more mature students taking postgraduate degrees than undergraduates degrees anyway. We all got on well with each other in general - if we arranged a social gathering, for example, everyone was invited and then it was up to the individuals whether they wanted to come or not.

Having said that though, I have noticed that the grad students here in my department in the US are generally older than in the UK - a fair number of them are married/took a few years off before starting grad school whereas it's more common in the UK to go straight through from undergrad to graduate studies (I have friends in the UK who at 24/25 are now qualified medical doctors, dentists and PhD doctors!).
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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2008, 05:05:59 PM »
ksand24, that is really interesting about the differences between the two and especially about the 5 papers as a math major

Several of my mates who studied engineering here couldn't believe the diversity of classes I took for my bachelor's degree (I have a bachelor's in plastics engineering and a master's in biomedical engineering)- and they couldn't believe that I took history courses, english/grammar/writing, music, so on and so forth- of course, that was in addition to a gazillion credits of engineering coursework. 

Now my master's degree was more specialized in just engineering, but I still had about a gazillion paper's to write.  My mates here just find it amazing. 
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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2008, 05:14:56 PM »
Hey again ksand24,

As we've discussed before, I'm starting a taught course in Garden History in Sept at the University of Bristol. 

I've applied to go part-time (two years), because I want to be able to work to pay the bills.  I already owe a bunch on old school loans and don't want to add more to the burden than is absolutely necessary. 

Classes are on Tuesdays - I reckon for most of the day.  From what I understand, my "homework" will mostly be reading, reading and reading and the assessments will be writing, writing, writing. 

I'm working on the assumption that I'll be able to work the rest of the week - spending alot of my spare time hitting the books.

Just looking for reality check here - can you speak to whether or not my assumptions are correct?
 
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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2008, 05:15:26 PM »
ksand24, that is really interesting about the differences between the two and especially about the 5 papers as a math major

Several of my mates who studied engineering here couldn't believe the diversity of classes I took for my bachelor's degree (I have a bachelor's in plastics engineering and a master's in biomedical engineering)- and they couldn't believe that I took history courses, english/grammar/writing, music, so on and so forth- of course, that was in addition to a gazillion credits of engineering coursework. 

Now my master's degree was more specialized in just engineering, but I still had about a gazillion paper's to write.  My mates here just find it amazing. 

Yeah, it's a big difference between the different systems - I haven't taken a History class since I was 14 (I chose Geography instead for GCSE), an English class since I was 16, a language class since I was 16, a music class since I was 14 etc. For A-level (at 16) I chose Physics, Maths and Geography and those were the only classes I took for the next 2 years and then I decided to study for a Physics degree so my first year of undergrad I took 10 Physics classes and one Maths for Physicists class and that was it!

The only homework we had in undergrad was a weekly problems class - which involved solving problems and equations based on all the classes we were taking and barely required more than a few words of writing. Actually 4 of those 5 papers weren't even written during my Physics degree - I had to write a few short essays for my masters last year. The only one I wrote as an undergrad was a paper on Rutherford in my first year!

I'm feeling very overwhelmed here in the US now though because I just haven't had the same writing papers/giving presentations experience that everyone else has here. I have to give an informal presentation to my research group in about 45 minutes and I have no clue what I'm doing - I haven't given a presentation in 4 years (and even that one was a terrible 15-minute experience)!


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2008, 05:23:18 PM »
Classes are on Tuesdays - I reckon for most of the day.  From what I understand, my "homework" will mostly be reading, reading and reading and the assessments will be writing, writing, writing. 

I'm working on the assumption that I'll be able to work the rest of the week - spending alot of my spare time hitting the books.

Just looking for reality check here - can you speak to whether or not my assumptions are correct?
 
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To be honest, I'm not sure - every degree course is different. I'm probably a bad person to ask because I didn't really do much work in my degree  :-[. Despite the assumption about Physics degrees being difficult, mine didn't actually involve much compulsory reading or any writing papers - just solving difficult math equations. So I could get away without putting much effort in during the term and then swotting for exams nearer the end of the semester/year and still get a good degree.

However, friends of mine on other degree courses (English, languages, History, Law, even Drama) had a lot of reading to do and papers to write - several books to read and a 2,000 word essay every week or two was not uncommon. So I'm not sure you'll be able to judge for sure how many hours you can work on the other days until you've started the course and worked out how much homework/reading is required.


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2008, 05:49:07 PM »
I'm studying at the University of Exeter. I'm a little nervous as I really have no idea what to expect. It's been a very long time since I was a student (graduated with my B.A. in 1990). Funny thing is, I'm looking forward to it! I think the combination of being an adult, knowing (sorta) what I'm doing in life, and paying $30000 in tuition makes you a bit more dedicated to your studies.  :P


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 06:26:46 PM »
Definately, being in school as an adult - you have your priorites better aligned.

I wasn't a brilliant student in high school or during my first BA.  When I went back at 30 years old, it was easy to focus.  People said I took myself too seriously (never missed a class, always strived to get an A or at least a B) but it really paid off.  Great GPA and professor recommendations have helped me in many situations.  Here I am at 40, ready to do it again.

Be nervous, be excited - but know it will be great.  There will be times when it won't be the most fun thing in the world (the night before a 5 page paper is due) but mostly it will be awesome (if you dig the school thing, that is).

In terms of age differences - it's amazing how little it matters in Grad School.  You will bond with people over the fact that you're all in the same boat, floating around a tiny little pond - with the same issues and problems.  You go to each other for help, to gripe, to waste time chatting and end up making some real friends amidst aquaintences.

My best friend from grad school is 13 years younger than me, but only rarely does it feel like we are from different generations.  I've always found that people are more than just their age - some young people are mature, some older people are not etc.  Some people are accessable, others....not so much.

BTW - what is everyone studying?
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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2008, 08:14:57 PM »
I'm studying at the University of Exeter. I'm a little nervous as I really have no idea what to expect. It's been a very long time since I was a student (graduated with my B.A. in 1990). Funny thing is, I'm looking forward to it! I think the combination of being an adult, knowing (sorta) what I'm doing in life, and paying $30000 in tuition makes you a bit more dedicated to your studies.  :P

Ooh, I was an undergraduate at the University of Exeter :) - it's a lovely campus and city! I'm sure you'll love it there.

Yeah, I can imagine that high tuition fee would be a big motivation factor, lol. I was a student before Tony Blair increased the home/EU fee increases and so got away with only paying £1,000 per year (which my parents were kind enough to pay for me :)) and then £3,000 for my masters degree. I did a year abroad in the US and because of the study abroad arrangements for Europe (with the Erasmus scheme), they let us only pay half-fees for the year. So I got a year's worth of tuition in the US for only $800 (as the exchange rate was then)!

Unfortunately I still have a rapidly growing student loan hanging over my head (it's up to about £15,000 now) - and being a US grad student now living on a measly TA assistantship I have no money to start paying it back with, lol!


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Re: Counting down...
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2008, 02:39:28 AM »
I have friends in Exeter and fell in love with it the first time I visited. I figured I wanted to do my MBA (Masters in Business Administration) anyway. And this way I could do it in Exeter and pay the same in tuition for the one year program there as for a two year program anywhere in the US, so I might as well go to Exeter and be with my friends and travel and learn and have an adventure!

I'm hoping to find a job after I graduate so I can earn ££s to pay off my student loans in $$! I actually considered just getting a plain Masters degree in something business-y because it was considerably cheaper, but the MBA programme director pointed out that I'd be in lecture halls with hundreds of 18 year olds instead of small classrooms with students in their 30s or so. I decided then that if I was going to pay so much and take a year of my life to go back to school then I'd do the right thing and get the degree I need and want and do it in an environment that would be conducive to my actually learning something.

Hey Holly, what's Garden History? I have no idea what it is, but it sounds fascinating!  ;D


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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2008, 03:29:29 AM »
Angela, I'm SO glad you asked  ;D

"Garden History" is a combination of art, architecture, anthropology and plant science.  My goal is to become a conservator - a person who is qualified to analyse a historic site and determine, based on the time it was created, how to preserve it, restore it or conserve it. 

Some historic sites are restored to their former glory, some are preserved in their current state, and others are protected from demolition/decay (conserved).  Say someone buys an estate built in 1750 and wants the gardens restored.  Based on the anthropological evidence and styles of the time, I'd recommend how to best restore it.  Maybe someone finds an old farmstead from the Bronze Age.  I could locate their gardens and determine (or guess!) what was planted there.

I'm really stoked just thinking about how fascinating it will be!  Besides the pesky exams  :) and papers.  All of my life's interests consolidated into one program.   

At the same time, I'm nervous about all the unknowns - terrified that I might be making a HORRIBLE mistake - but I'm not sure how that could be possible.  I call it 'talking to my fear'.  Yes, there are doubts - but the possibilities are endless!  YAY!  Nothings permanent until I decide it is.

Am I correct that you're married to UK national, Angela?  Meeting a nice lad to settle down with would be the icing on the cake for me!

 
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2008, 04:22:12 AM »
Okay, so seriously, that DOES sound amazing! And here I am getting a boring old degree in business. I can relate to the fear bit. Everyone once in a while I wonder what the heck I'm doing, but that's just insecurity talking. I know that life is a grand adventure and this is just one chapter in it.

Adn to answer your question, no, I'm not married. I just have some great friends in Exeter who are willing to house me while I'm in school. When I first visited there (for a week) they wanted me to stay and we started researching ways for me to come over for an extended period. Right after I got home from that holiday my job got "eliminated", which presented me with a prime opportunity to do just that. So I transitioned to a job I didn't really enjoy, saved some money and went back over for 5 months as a visitor. That pretty much sealed it for me. I decided that I wanted to stay and since I also wanted to go to school, I'd just combine the two.

While there last summer, I did get a marriage proposal from a sweet boy almost half my age (he thought that would be cheaper for me than tuition--he was right!) but that was a bad idea for many reasons. ;)

I figure between school this year, IGS visa after that (during which I hope to find work that pays well enough to qualify me for the highly skilled tier 1 visa) and working for a few years, I can either meet some fine man who's willing to tolerate a bossy, slightly mad American woman or I can work long enough to qualify for FLR/ILR.

Ooops, that was seriously off topic! But back on topic, I'm really looking forward to getting back into school. I had such potential to be a good student years ago that I'm sure I'll do okay now. I love learning and writing and I have 10+ years of experience in the corporate world to bring to the year. I feel like I did when I was about to start high school or something... new subjects, new teachers, new friends... 

Related to school: my mom was so cute last week (she came to visit). She wanted to know if I needed any "school supplies". I told her that I would just buy them there. She's like, "Not even a neat binder with a kitty on it?" (Totally joking!) And I said, "Mom, the paper there's a different size." Her completely serious response: "It IS?? Why do they do that? How strange!" It'll be a learning experience for my family as well, apparently.



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