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Work permit AND university?
« on: May 25, 2004, 05:00:08 AM »
Hello all,

Just a quick question: I will be a Registered Nurse going over to the U.K. in a few years.  Since I plan to become a midwife over there, does a work visa allow me also to pursue an education as well at the same time?  I could wait until I become a midwife here (Certified Nurse Midwife), but the truth is, the training in the U.K. is more comprehensive, as midwives over there are given charge of a greater range of clients than midwives here.  Consequently, their preperatory work is superior.  I also don't want to abandon my nursing school here, as I feel it might give me a better range of working options over in the U.K.  While it might be difficult to go over "just" as a student (and we do wish to stay there permanently), I feel being a nurse would pretty much guarantee an open door to the U.K.  Thoughts or suggestions anyone?  I appreciate your comments!

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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2004, 02:02:58 PM »
You have two options really. You could go on a work permit which would allow you to work and yes, go to school if you wanted (you'd be paying international student tuition). Or you could get a student visa which would allow you to work for a limited number of hours per week. Of course once you have a student visa and you finish your education in the UK, you'd have to go about applying for a work visa in order to stay so really just getting a work visa (or however you plan to get to the UK (spouse, fiancee, etc))
straight off the bat is the most economical.

But yes, you can go to school in the UK. You'll be considered an international student weather you live in the UK or not, so really the government doesnt dip into education issues for immigrants and that leaves you free to go to school as you please.

If anyone knows differently, please say :)

Best of luck Rebekah!
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2004, 02:58:10 PM »
If you would like to qualify for resident tuition fees (alot cheaper then Int'l Student fees) you have to be a resident of the UK 3 years prior to your starting your education. Im not sure if you are becoming a resident, but its something to look into! I paid $12,000 for one year of college in the UK. Good luck; your adventures sound exciting!  :-*
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2004, 04:10:11 PM »
Is it 3 years from ILR? Thats what UCB told me (after the promised I could go on home fees straight from the get-go, mind you).
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2004, 04:27:59 PM »
Im sorry Mars~ what does ILR and UCB stand for?  [smiley=blush.gif]

I found that info out on (I think) the British Council website. I will search for the link and let you know.

My mom is from Italy and even if she signed for my EU passport I would have to live in the UK for three years before I qualified for home tuition fees. I did not want to wait three years to start college AGAIN so I just paid the Int'l student fees...

Ill try to find that info online for you.
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2004, 04:32:56 PM »
Thank you both for your helpful posts! 

Sarah, I have no idea how much international tuition might be there, however, if I stay here to become a midwife, I'm looking at anywhere from $12,000-20,000 to complete my B.S.N., in order to be able to progress to the Master's program for Midwives.  And since that would be post-graduate work, I would be paying anywhere from 20-38 grand a year to be able to receive my degree and certification.

Since the U.S. doesn't offer the equivalent of a four year degree in midwifery (direct-entry), I'd HAVE to go the route of a master's degree before even being allowed to practice.

Both Canada and the U.K. do offer a 4 year degree in Midwifery, and for those who are already registered nurses, they have an 18-month program to confer a BSc or HonsBS to those students.  It's this program I'm interested in, as I will have an A.S.N. degree R.N. from here first.  If I go this route, I won't have to bother with picking up two four-year degrees, but in essence, only completing my first by combining the schooling from here in the U.S. with theirs in the U.K.  I hope all of this makes sense!  It's really hard to know what's the best route to take, especially since the training here is set very differently.

One other question; I'm not opposed to paying the int'l rates, however if I'm working for the NHS as a nurse, do you think I might be supported financially through educaational endowments to defray some of the costs?  I figure they need both nurses and midwives, perhaps that would be motivation enough to help me complete my education.  And we are planning on staying there long-term, so of course I would be "paying it back" in terms of service while living there.

Ok, enough rambling.

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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2004, 04:32:57 PM »
8. Will I have to pay 'home' or 'overseas' student fees?
If you are an EU national or your parent is an EU national (for me) you will qualify for home fees if:

You have been ordinarily resident anywhere in the EEA (ignoring short absences such as holidays) for the three years immediately preceding the 1st September, 1st January or 1st April closest to the beginning of your course; and
Throughout the relevant three year period the main purpose of your residence in the EEA was not to receive full time education. You will not be automatically excluded if you were in full time education, as long as it was not the main reason for residence.
The regulations regarding eligibility for 'home' fees and Student Support are complex. If you think you may qualify but are not sure, or need further advice, contact the advice or welfare service at your institution or students union, or telephone the UKCOSA student advice line (see useful contacts)

The information above is produced in full by UKCOSA. You can download their guidance note EEA Students at www.ukcosa.org.uk/pages/guidenote.htm


http://www.educationuk.org/eu_faqs/  {this was a link from the British Council website)
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2004, 04:38:41 PM »
Rebek~

Post Graduate health
http://www.britishcouncil.org/health/themes/training.htm

Hope this helps; Im sure you are familiar with this already.

Much luck!  :-*
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2004, 04:42:04 PM »
Is it 3 years from ILR? Thats what UCB told me (after the promised I could go on home fees straight from the get-go, mind you).

It's 3 years residency - not from ILR.  As in, I moved here (on Fiancee Visa) in September 2002 - as of September 2005 I would no longer have to pay non-resident fees.

Which is GREAT news because that also means my oldest son will have his 3 years residency in before he starts uni - YIPPEE!
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2004, 05:45:49 PM »
Thanks for the peedal! Youre on top of everything! Not that it matters for me anymore (Im leaving!) but I was just currious.

Rebekah - Certainly you can look into NHS education grants. Im not sure myself because Im not into any medical occupations at all, but its worth checking out for sure!! Even international student tuition at UK Unis is a lot cheaper than school in the US. Of course, the degree for being a Midwife is exactly what youre looking for and therefore the cost issue is kind of moot. Im sure you'll really ejoy whichever route you choose. Ive always secretly fancied being a Midwife and I really respect your choice to follow that path! The world needs more excellent midwives!
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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2004, 05:27:29 AM »
Thanks Sarah, for the wonderful encouragement!

If the NHS is willing to offset some my educational expenses, great.  But if not, that's fine too, as I'd be paying here for the same education anyway, and probably a great deal more. 

I ultimately look foward to getting over there and being able to use my skills and knowledge in a good way to help others.  That's my hope anyway.  Thanks again for your help, to everyone that responded!

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Re: Work permit AND university?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2004, 06:16:48 AM »
I am starting my adult nursing programme in Sept.  I was an LPN in the States, but since that isn't recognized here I can't do the conversion course and will have to start all over and do the 3 yrs.  As far as school fees are concerned, since it is nursing they are covered and come with a bursary, however, I work at our local hospital and have applied for a sponorship which means I would get paid a regular salary (forego the bursary) at B grade and can continue my pension, etc.  The requirements for this have been that I have worked for the hospital for 1 year and then after qualifying I would contract to work another 2 years before moving on. 


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