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« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2009, 01:02:45 PM »
and what's up with "definately"? Is that a common misspelling in the US too? Makes me want to scream when I see it.



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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2009, 01:10:55 PM »

SOME of the differences, yes. You'll see that I've already mentioned "fall". Aluminum is another original British spelling. Believe me, you're preaching to the converted, having fended off insulting and ignorant remarks from pretentious Brits.


Don't forget, though, that many spelling differences occurred (some never adopted like "tung" instead of "tongue" which my Midlands DH charmlingly pronounces "tong" LOL) when Noah Webster (of Miriam-Webster fame) deliberately changed the spellings of words to simplify (read: "Americanize") them.



Well, it doesn't really matter who is using the oldest style or spelling, but that we are understood.  ;)  I just really hate the stereotype that a lot of Americans have of Brits speaking very formally and properly, when we're really more guilty of being a bit stiff.  Just look at the example of "lift" and "elevator".  I saw a really interesting linguistics website a few years ago that compared the two, and it's funny to see just how much we as Americans often use language in a very stiff, anti-colloquial way.

I think people should (within reason) use the language they are asked to at work, but in day to day life, I think a lot of Brits are taking the p--- when you accidentally let something like "I am going to the store" slip out and they stare at you blankly, until realisation spreads across their faces.  "Oh, you mean you are going round the shops."


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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2009, 01:14:51 PM »
when you accidentally let something like "I am going to the store" slip out and they stare at you blankly, until realisation spreads across their faces.  "Oh, you mean you are going round the shops."
I first read this as "going to the shore" which is north east USA lingo for "going to the beach" or "going to the New Jersey coast"!  I'm sure Brits would stare blankly at that one as well.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2009, 01:15:40 PM »
Totally agree, though I think they're mostly kidding, not that I'm always in the mood, particularly if there's been something particularly "anti-american" in the press that day.

I said "sidewalk" the other day (which I rarely do) and some smart ass here said, "after 20 years, I'd expect you to get that right by now" or some such crap and I nearly cockpunched him. I think the look on my face said it all and he sort of simpered and was ultra nice for a bit after. I felt bad because I do think he was trying to be funny but he just caught me on a bad day LOL

I do swear that if I hear, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" one more bloody time I'm going to go postal.


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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2009, 01:30:03 PM »
persisting in doing things "the way you were raised" seems to indicate not only a worrying refusal to adapt to new circumstances, but also disrespect to the country you now live in.

Also well said.


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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2009, 01:54:06 PM »
There are some really good posts on here that make me think.

When we use words that are American in Britain it can be taken as 'being in your face'.

I have met people in both countries who don't like people from the other country. So be it.

Someone I worked with in the US told me he had passed through the UK when he was in the US military and had asked a local Brit for directions. The reply he got was "I don't talk to Americans". One would wonder 'Why not'?

To complicate things I sometimes use British words in the US because I like them and I think people know I'm emphasizing the alternative words from across the pond.

Spelling. I use the spelling of which ever country I'm in mainly because I don't want the reader to be distracted from what I'm writing about.

Someone wrote earlier about if you read something and you see spelling errors you maybe judgemental about their level of education. I have to agree. In the US this is less so because some successful people have poor spelling skills and they rely on their secretaries to cover up.


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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2009, 02:09:25 PM »
I think we're living with the legacy of American GIs from WW2. In general, not remembered in the fondest light.

"Overpaid, oversexed and over here".


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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2009, 02:21:33 PM »
Well, that and the ugly American (which usually is the ugly North American), corporate imperialism (not exactly your average American's fault), our wars, and things like George W.  After someone else becomes the world leading power, people will probably wax poetic about the years when we were the biggest PITA the world had to worry about.

I just finished a sci-fi novel written by a British writer with lots of American military characters.  It was written in the early naughties and was pretty critical of the US.  The interesting thing, and perhaps the only interesting thing about it, was to see how this British man views us when he's doing something as unreserved as writing.  It was a bit surprising how this particular man didn't really understand American culture at all.  Some of the criticisms were dead on, but others (like calling an Indian woman "black" or calling proper written English "Harvard English") was way off.  It just seems odd in this day and age, but it also made me nervous about ever trying to attempt to write something with a British character in it.  It was sort of like when you read a book written by a man with a woman lead character (or vice versa) and it just seems off.  I knew it has to be challenging for a writer to cross cultural boundaries for characters, but I didn't think that it would be so different in such a visceral way.  I think there is more difference between our use of English than changing a few words and adding a few "u"s.
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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2009, 02:25:06 PM »
I changed my resume to British English spelling. After all, I needed a job more than I needed to prove a point to anyone!   :P

First thing I did when I got my FLR was see an agency specialising in providing legal support staff to law firms and worked with them to change my CV to one more appropriate for British jobs.

Then I signed up for some basics lessons is Scots law at Pittman training.

I still didn't have a good grasp on British spellings when I started my first assignment, so I relied a lot on templates left in place by the last temp till I got the lay of the land.  ;)

Thankfully, I had many years of Latin at the hands of the Domincan nuns at Catholic school, so a lot of the legal terms weren't yet another challenge!

Hey, when in Rome takes on a whole new meaning when you need a pay packet for the bills!  

And I'd already had the humiliating experience of having moved to the country where I didn't speak the language well and was dumped into high school there.  

That put things in perspective.


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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2009, 02:25:43 PM »
I think we're living with the legacy of American GIs from WW2. In general, not remembered in the fondest light.

"Overpaid, oversexed and over here".

Apparently this is a true story: at one point during World War II, so many GIs were arriving in Britain that the authorities feared that they would not be able to house them all straight away. The barrack building programme was behind schedule. So they had a publicity campaign urging owners of houses with spare rooms to have one or more GIs  "billeted" with them. One very posh elderly upper class lady felt she had to do her duty, and wrote to volunteer. She felt, she said in her letter, that she had to do her bit for the war effort, but she hoped the military authorities would understand if she specified that she didn't want them to send any Jewish GIs to live in her house. Enough was enough, after all. A few weeks later there was a knock at the door. Standing on the doorstep were two huge black GIs. "There must be some mistake" she gasped. "Oh, no, ma'am," one of them assured her. "No mistake. Sergeant Cohen sent us himself."


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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2009, 02:27:35 PM »
Apparently this is a true story: at one point during World War II, so many GIs were arriving in Britain that the authorities feared that they would not be able to house them all straight away. The barrack building programme was behind schedule. So they had a publicity campaign urging owners of houses with spare rooms to have one or more GIs  "billeted" with them. One very posh elderly upper class lady felt she had to do her duty, and wrote to volunteer. She felt, she said in her letter, that she had to do her bit for the war effort, but she hoped the military authorities would understand if she specified that she didn't want them to send any Jewish GIs to live in her house. Enough was enough, after all. A few weeks later there was a knock at the door. Standing on the doorstep were two huge black GIs. "There must be some mistake" she gasped. "Oh, no, ma'am," one of them assured her. "No mistake. Sergeant Cohen sent us himself."


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« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2009, 02:28:37 PM »
I think we're living with the legacy of American GIs from WW2. In general, not remembered in the fondest light.

Yeah, unfortunately my granddad thought like this - he was in the navy in WWII and did not speak fondly of Americans. He would never have wanted to step foot in the US and it sounds awful to say, but after he died it gave my grandmother the opportunity to come with us on several family trips to the US to visit my relatives that she wouldn't have been able to go on if he was still alive (she's even said as much herself).


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« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2009, 03:14:15 PM »
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she specified that she didn't want them to send any Jewish GIs to live in her house. Enough was enough, after all.
Why?  Were there many racist and anti-semitic posh elderly people during that time in England?
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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2009, 03:20:30 PM »
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Why?  Were there many racist and anti-semitic posh elderly people during that time in England?

Anti-Semitism was extremely widespread in all of Europe and America for a very long time. America turned away boatfuls of Jews, knowing full well that at best they were going back to starving ghettos and with some suspicion that something terrible was going on. It was why people let Hitler get away with rounding up Jews throughout Europe- people were happy to see them go elsewhere (same with gypsies). Most people's feelings stopped short of genocide, though, which is why when the full extent of the Holocaust was exposed the anti-Semitism went down dramatically.
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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2009, 03:26:07 PM »
Anti-Semitism was extremely widespread in all of Europe and America for a very long time. America turned away boatfuls of Jews, knowing full well that at best they were going back to starving ghettos and with some suspicion that something terrible was going on. It was why people let Hitler get away with rounding up Jews throughout Europe- people were happy to see them go elsewhere (same with gypsies). Most people's feelings stopped short of genocide, though, which is why when the full extent of the Holocaust was exposed the anti-Semitism went down dramatically.

It's also why there are large populations of Germanic Jews in Latin America.

I went to high school with many originally from Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela, etc. whose grandparents had been turned away from America but found refuge in Latin American countries.


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