The state department wants to make it more difficult to get a US passport...

Well that is what is so odd about this. 

To apply for the passport you already need to be a citizen. This won't stop people from getting a US citizenship.  If they fail to give them the information they want it won't mean their citizenship is revoked. 

None of this makes any sense.

If I read it correctly, they want you to provide birth information (5-12) if you were not born in a medical facility or your parents waited over a year to register the birth.  Otherwise you don't have to fill it out.  I assume they are asking about the religious ceremony because many are recorded. 

Listing all your places of residence and work is a bit OTT, though.  Hell I'm not that old and I cannot remember 1/5 of the addresses I've lived since birth! 

I wasn't supposed to be born in a medical facility. My mom's plan for my birth was at her midwife's home/office. I ended up being a problem and was transferred as an emergency C section to a hospital but I should've been born outside a medical facility. Lots of people are choosing to birth at home or in a non-clinical setting these days and this implies there's something "wrong" with that. I told my mom about this and the questions and she would have serious problems remembering that information for me. If she were dead/unreachable I'd have no hope of filling it out. Luckily, I'm white with two US citizen parents (and 4 US citizen grandparents and 7 US citizen great grandparents, for that matter) so I'd probably be ok anyway and they might not even ask me to fill it out. It's still seriously disturbing, though, and I don't like it.

This, to me, sounds like it's aimed at people with brown skin since they flat out admit they wouldn't require everyone to fill out the expanded form.  But if you look like you might be here illegally we'll make sure you can't get the only documentation to prove that you aren't.

I think this is probably more likely than them trying to keep people from travelling. Usually if you have a passport you don't need any other proof for eligibility for employment.

wow.  How can this be real?  They want to know the dates of your mother's pre-natal care appointments?  Where your parents lived a year before you were born?  The date you were circumcised?   This must be a joke.  Much of this information would be protected under medical privacy laws, I think.  And anyone old enough to apply for a passport and fill out this form is not going to know the dates of his/her mom's doctor's appointments before they were born ...

Thanks for posting this, vinny. 

If you read through the app, it says you must fill everything out to be considered. Then at the end it says this all voluntary. Yes, voluntary if you want the passport! I really don't consider "no choice" to be a choice. Quite frankly I find the level of information requested to be intrusive. It is none of their business what religious ceremony surrounded my birth! And relatives? Bugger off!

Granted they say this is for SOME applicants. However if it happens at all it's a risk for everyone. And could apply for renewals!

Don't you just adore how the US aims to further limit our movements and liberties?

 

I saw this on my adoptee boards. As an adoptee, I don't have access to this information. I cannot wait to not be a US citizen.

I saw this on my adoptee boards. As an adoptee, I don't have access to this information. I cannot wait to not be a US citizen.

Here's hoping you don't have trouble with that happening. Not sure if you're on a family, student, or work based visa and quite frankly I'm too lazy to check now. It's getting harder for all of us! 

As an adoptee, I don't have access to this information. I cannot wait to not be a US citizen.

You'd still be a US citizen as having a passport does not equal citizenship - it just means if for whatever strange reason this actually went through- (I have my doubts) you wouldn't have a passport-

You'd still be a US citizen as having a passport does not equal citizenship - it just means if for whatever strange reason this actually went through- (I have my doubts) you wouldn't have a passport-

prisoner of the state basically.....

I think this was an idea floated by some people that was never supposed to make it out of a committee room. 

According to MSNBC the form is only used if you don't have a birth certificate or if your birth was not registered within one year. 

Also, you don't need all the information just something to prove where you were born.  So, if you had a bris that would be evidence. 

This seems more reasoanble, after all how do you prove you are a citizen if you don't have that.

All that said, it doesn't appear it would affect immigrants at all, since they would have proof of citizenship in the form of their certificate.

According to MSNBC the form is only used if you don't have a birth certificate or if your birth was not registered within one year. 

Also, you don't need all the information just something to prove where you were born.  So, if you had a bris that would be evidence. 

This seems more reasoanble, after all how do you prove you are a citizen if you don't have that.

All that said, it doesn't appear it would affect immigrants at all, since they would have proof of citizenship in the form of their certificate.

You'd still be a US citizen as having a passport does not equal citizenship - it just means if for whatever strange reason this actually went through- (I have my doubts) you wouldn't have a passport-

Since this is a UK immigration board I thought it was a typo and the poster wanted UK citizenship so they could renounce their American citizenship. Some people seem to think like that...

But I could be wrong!

If the idea takes off, they will tell the Brits to start doing it too.  Which means duals will have to fill out that devilish form TWICE