Asian culture in the UK

I don't wish to take sides as I haven't watched that clip.

Not long ago, I read on BBC or big British newpaper site that in northern England Pakistani men (and I use the word men lightly) were taking young white girls off the street (not prostitutes) and using and/or selling for gang rape. The police knew who they were but were afraid to look anti-Pakistani. The Pakistani community leader of that area said it isn't about worrying about race/culture but that the issue is going after criminals who committed this terrible crime. It is sad that there was even a second of hesitancy over rounding up the criminals.

Just curious, would it have made a difference in your eyes if they had been prostitutes?  otherwise I'm not sure why you were at pains to point out that they weren't.

It is more of a grooming/statutory rape situation.  From the stories I read most of the girls "consented". 

So if we assume the prostitutes are of age that would be different. Well, to be fair I think if the girls in question were of age then this would be a different story. 

I realise this sounds like a defence, it isn't they should all go to jail. 

Just curious, would it have made a difference in your eyes if they had been prostitutes?  otherwise I'm not sure why you were at pains to point out that they weren't.

Oh yes indeed I am quite all right with the abuse of certain women over other women. Most people think prostitutes are garbage and I was trying to leap over that conclusion. I am truly sorry I even waste my breath on this forum. I have met 2 wonderful people and I will just stick with them and topics that are relevant to my situation. In the real world where people can't hide I learn real issues and there is mutual respect.

Oh yes indeed I am quite all right with the abuse of certain women over other women. Most people think prostitutes are garbage and I was trying to leap over that conclusion. I am truly sorry I even waste my breath on this forum. I have met 2 wonderful people and I will just stick with them and topics that are relevant to my situation. In the real world where people can't hide I learn real issues and there is mutual respect.

Oh, sorry.  I thought you wanted to have a discussion with other people about the news.  Apparently, you just wanted to spout off and have the whole world agree with you.

Oh, sorry.  I thought you wanted to have a discussion with other people about the news.  Apparently, you just wanted to spout off and have the whole world agree with you.

There is a fair amount of that on the forum and on other forums also.

"I have spoken so it is!"

You know I think about this a lot. Do you really need to adhere to AP standards or whatever when posting? I mean this ain't an Oxford debate. What if you are just sort of spouting off a bit, having skimmed an article six months ago on the subject. If you preface it by saying, "I read somewhere once.....can't remember the full details....", I mean that is sort of an indication that what follows might not be canonical.

Opinion is a funny thing. I personally have sort of levels of opinion floating about in the soup of tangled thoughts. Some things I am damned sure of, having invested a lot of time and effort in establishing a logical basis. Others I apply sort of an inductive/deductive blend based on bits and bobs, but always hopefully with a sort of empiricism.

For instance I am pretty sure that mankind is affecting the global climate. And I've read up on it a bit. But then I am not a climate scientist, and I have heard some pretty good arguments presented by the other team. I will participate in discussions about the subject but hopefully in a manner that lets all involved know I am not a climate scientist. I know enough about the rules of debate and logic not to (well most of the time) fall into easy traps like using anecdotal evidence (well it sure was cold last winter). But you know why not loosen the rules a bit sometimes. Pub talk can actually generate if nothing more an interesting exchange of esoteric ideas - stuff you can look into later.

 

Oh yes indeed I am quite all right with the abuse of certain women over other women. Most people think prostitutes are garbage and I was trying to leap over that conclusion. I am truly sorry I even waste my breath on this forum. I have met 2 wonderful people and I will just stick with them and topics that are relevant to my situation. In the real world where people can't hide I learn real issues and there is mutual respect.

Calm down, take a breath, chill out.

This is a discussion forum, where people discuss the news, their opinions of the news, and other people's opinions of the news.  One of the aspects of such forums is that opinions get challenged, and phrasing that gives a certain impression will get questioned.  I was asking for clarification because I have spoken to people who would consider the abduction / murder of a prostitute to be less serious than the abduction / murder of a non-prostitute.  I didn't accuse you of anything, I asked a question.

I fully accept that debate forums are not for everyone, and they may not be the perfect environment for you to post in, especially if you don't care for having your ideas challenged.  If you choose to leave then I'm sorry you feel that way.  If you choose to stay then I hope you will accept that most people are challenging your ideas, not you as a person.

You know I think about this a lot. Do you really need to adhere to AP standards or whatever when posting? I mean this ain't an Oxford debate. What if you are just sort of spouting off a bit, having skimmed an article six months ago on the subject. If you preface it by saying, "I read somewhere once.....can't remember the full details....", I mean that is sort of an indication that what follows might not be canonical.

Fine, but if the thing you (anyone, not you particularly) spout off about sounds like something that was twisted out of context by someone interested in scare-mongering, expect to be called on it.

When some random stranger on the internet claims Pakistani men are abducting white girls and the police are looking the other way, I'm going to need some stronger evidence than just what they heard from somewhere they can't remember.

Outrage is easy; proof is hard.

I think it seriously depends on the topic. There's a world of difference between "I read somewhere that eating 2 coconuts a week is good for heart health," and "I read somewhere that Asian men are kidnapping white girls and selling them into sex slavery."

Would I like a citation for a claim that coconuts might give me a healthy heart? Yeah. But it's not incendiary to leave that bit of fluffy info lying around. Not so of the claim that *insert race* is known to commit *insert crime*. That kind of claim is unhelpful at best, and actively harmful at worst.