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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2011, 11:32:48 AM »
In NYS it depended on the year.  Skipping over elementary school, we had NYS History in 7th grade, which was awesomely in depth.  Brilliant course which I still remember big parts of.  We had US in 8th which was a gloss over.  Then Freshman and Sophomore it was a more in depth World History, which covered a bit of British history, probably more than most other specific countries.  Junior year was Government for two quarters and Economics the other two.  Final year was elective social sciences.  I think we had an AP History course (I can't remember which because I didn't take it), Psychology, and Sociology.

Elementary Social Studies I can't remember all that well to say what we studied when.  We definitely did American History in 4th grade and World Cultures in 3rd.  I don't remember what we did in 4th and 5th.


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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2011, 12:13:27 PM »
We also had Modern History (1930 to the present) senior year. That included a lot of recent WWII British stuff.
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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2011, 04:54:30 PM »
Sort of related:  On Facebook, I'm seeing all these status updates about America gaining independence from England.  I then realised that, at least in my school district, it was generally taught as England and the English rather than Great Britain or the British, and there really was never a stated difference between the two, it was kind of just interchangeable terms. 

It's just sort of funny.  I wonder if that's part of why a lot of Americans think mostly of England when they think of the UK.
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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2011, 04:56:35 PM »
I guess because the king is considered "English."  Maybe?


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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2011, 05:01:32 PM »
Yeah, I wonder! I mean, it was definitely Great Britain at that point, since Scotland joined up in 1707 and Wales well before that.  Truthfully, at this point I know a heck of a lot more about Scottish/British history during that period of time than I do of the US, at least on a deeper level. But I don't know if there are some kind of technicalities or what.  Or it could just be that it's easier to explain it as England to school children?  Or the US isn't really bothered? All of the above?  :P
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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2011, 05:06:26 PM »
US media outlets regularly refer to the queen as the queen of England as well. Which is funny since it was a Scottish king who created the union of crowns and coined the name Great Britain :P
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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2011, 05:10:54 PM »
True.  That age old phrase of "If you're such-and-such, then I'm the Queen of England!".  :D

I know we were at least taught that Paul Revere said "The British are coming", but I really think it was just considered another name for the English, for the purposes of our education.  I don't think you would have been marked down on a test for answering "the English" rather than "the British".
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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2011, 05:26:54 PM »
I'm actually pretty impressed with how much DF knows about American history.  He's complained to me that he thinks his school should have taught less American history and more UK history.  For example, he knows quite a lot about the Great Depression, but nothing about what was happening in the UK at the same time. 


Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2011, 07:21:38 PM »
Found this on my Facebook page from the US Embassy and National Geographic.....just thought it was interesting........

Brian Handwerk

for National Geographic News

Published June 30, 2011

Many time-honored patriotic tales turn out to be more fiction than fact. In anticipation of the Fourth of July, here's a look at some memorable myths from the birth of the United States.

1. The Declaration of Independence Was Signed on July 4

Independence Day is celebrated two days too late. The Second Continental Congress voted for a Declaration of Independence on July 2, prompting John Adams to write his wife, "I am apt to believe that [July 2, 1776], will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival."

Adams correctly foresaw shows, games, sports, buns, bells, and bonfires—but he got the date wrong. The written document wasn't edited and approved until the Fourth of July, and that was the date printers affixed to "broadside" announcements sent out across the land. July 2 was soon forgotten.

(Related: "U.S. Independence Celebrated on the Wrong Day?")

In fact, no one actually signed the Declaration of Independence at any time during July 1776. Signing began on August 2, with John Hancock's famously bold scribble, and wasn't completed until late November.

2. Paul Revere Rode Solo

Patriot Paul Revere really did hit the road on the night of April 18, 1775, to alert the countryside that British troops were on the move. But the image of an inspired, lone rider isn't accurate. Revere was part of a low-tech—but highly effective—early-warning system.

The system did include lanterns at Boston's Old North Church, from whose steeple the church sexton, Robert Newman, held two lanterns as a signal that the British were coming. However Revere wasn't watching for them that night.

Revere and fellow rider William Dawes, who was sent by a different route, successfully reached Lexington, Massachusetts, to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock that they'd likely be arrested. But Revere and Dawes were captured by the British with third rider Samuel Prescott soon afterward.

The liberties later taken with the Revere legend weren't mistakes but deliberate mythmaking by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, who intended his famous 19th-century poem to stoke patriotism on the eve of the Civil War. The ride's real story is told at Paul Revere House, the Boston museum where Revere once lived and from which he left on that fateful night.

3. July 4, 1776, Party Cracked the Liberty Bell

U.S. independence surely prompted a party, but joyful patriots didn't ring the Liberty Bell until it cracked on July 4, 1776. In fact the State House Bell likely didn't ring at all that day. It probably did ring, along with the city's other bells, to herald the first public readings of the Declaration of Independence on July 8, according to a history of the bell published by the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission.

As for that crack, well, the bell had been poorly cast and cracked soon after its arrival in 1752. The bell was subsequently recast, and recracked, several times but was intact during the Revolutionary War.

Today's iconic crack actually appeared sometime during the 19th century, though the exact date is in dispute. It was also during this period that the bell became popularly known as the Liberty Bell—a term coined by abolitionists.

4. Patriots Flocked to Fight for Freedom

This enduring image is accurate—when describing the beginning of the Revolutionary War. But as it became clear that the struggle for independence would be long and difficult, the enthusiasm of many American men for fighting began to wane, while their concerns for the well-being of their farms and other livelihoods grew.

After initial enlistment rushes, many colonies resorted to cash incentives as early as 1776 and states were drafting men by the end of 1778, according to historian John Ferling in a 2004 Smithsonian magazine article.

5. The Declaration of Independence Holds Secret Messages

Some revolutionary myths are of modern origin. There's no invisible message or map on the back of the Declaration of Independence, as depicted in the film National Treasure. But the National Archives admits there is something written on the back of the priceless document.

A line on the bottom of the parchment reads "Original Declaration of Independence dated 4th July 1776." Why? The large document would have been rolled for travel and storage during the 18th century, so the reverse-side writing likely acted as a label to identify the document while it was rolled up.

6. John Adams Died Thinking of Thomas Jefferson

Incredibly both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson did die on the Fourth of July, but there's no real evidence to suggest that Adams's final thoughts were with Jefferson or that he uttered "Jefferson survives" on his deathbed.

Even if he had, he'd have been wrong, as Jefferson beat him in death by several hours. The day does seem inauspicious for presidents, however. The less celebrated James Monroe also died on July 4, in 1831.

(Related: "Who Knew? U.S. Presidential Trivia.")

7. America United Against the British

The Revolutionary War also pitted Americans against Americans in large numbers. Perhaps 15 to 20 percent of all Americans were loyalists who supported the crown, according to the U.K. National Army Museum. Many others tried to stay out of the fight altogether.

Records from the period are sketchy at best, but an estimated 50,000 Americans served as British soldiers or militia at one time or another during the conflict, a significant force pitted against a Continental Army that may have included a hundred thousand regular soldiers over the course of the war.

8. Betsy Ross Made the First American Flag

There is no proof that Betsy Ross played any part in designing or sewing the American flag that made its debut in 1777. In fact, the story of the famous seamstress didn't circulate until it was raised by her grandson nearly a century after the fact, and the only evidence is testimony to this family tradition.

To be fair, there's also no conclusive evidence that Ross didn't sew the flag, and there are several reasons why she just might have done so. The Betsy Ross House on Philadelphia's Arch Street (where Ross may or may not have actually lived) tells the whole tale and leaves visitors to draw their own conclusions.

9. Native Americans Sided With the British

"(He) has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions."

The Declaration of Independence made this claim against King George III, and many Native Americans did eventually fight with the British. But many others sided with people in the colonies or simply tried to stay out of the European conflict altogether, according to Dartmouth College historian Colin Galloway, author of The American Revolution in Indian Country: Crisis and Diversity in Native American Communities.

Most New England Indians supported the Continentals, and the powerful Iroquois Confederacy was split by the conflict. Native "redcoats" fought not for love of King George but in hopes of saving their own homelands—which they thought would to be the spoils of the War for Independence.

Those who allied themselves with the British saw their lands lost in the Peace of Paris treaty, but Native Americans who supported Americans fared little better in the long run.



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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2011, 11:55:27 PM »
I was in school until 1979 and did 'O' level History and we didn't do any American history, however a friend who is the same age, but brought up in a different part of the country did do the Revolution, so it's down to education districts.
Reminds me of when I went to Boston in 1998 with my then American girlfriend (different to DW) and on a tour of the State house she asked what I learned at school about the Revolution and was surprised when I said nothing.
I don't find that strange though....we have a hell of a lot to cover. So at school I remember doing the Romans, Medieval history, Napoleon, the industrial revolution, WW1, WW2.
What it did do was give me an interest in history so I find lots of things interesting
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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2011, 07:11:24 AM »
she asked what I learned at school about the Revolution and was surprised when I said nothing.I don't find that strange though....

Why should Brits know any more about some 18th century war in America than one that happened anywhere else? Wy is it a surprise if they don't? It is bound to be an optional, not compulsory topic, unlike the in the US where it is the story of that nation's formation.


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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2011, 10:25:30 AM »
Why should Brits know any more about some 18th century war in America than one that happened anywhere else?

I don't think the British should learn more about the Revolutionary War than they should about any other war Britain has been involved in throughout its history, but I would find it a little strange if it weren't mentioned at all in a British history class.

I understand that Britain has a long history, and don't expect an in depth study of the Revolutionary War in particular, but I think it should be mentioned in the larger context of British and American relations.


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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2011, 11:19:18 AM »
Re: "why should Brits know any more about some 18th century war in America than one that happened anywhere else? Wy is it a surprise if they don't? It is bound to be an optional, not compulsory topic, unlike the in the US where it is the story of that nation's formation."

I disagree. These are not only 2 countries that have a shared past born out of revolution. They are intimately linked in the present...the special relationship is frequently misinterpreted and misunderstood, but the phrase captures the essence of the dynamic. It *is* special. And it can't be understood only as a post-World War 2 phenomenon. To understand the role of the UK in the world today, it is absolutely necessary to understand the US/British relationship from its inception (the Revolution) to today. The fact that the British Empire transitioned fairly smoothly to the American Century and then--arguably--American Empire is a byproduct of that history. Was there ever American hegemony? If there was, is it ending? Is this the end of the American Empire? If so, what does that imply about Britain's relationship to the world, today and into the future? How does one speak about the future of Britain without understanding America past? 


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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2011, 06:47:40 PM »
I saw a US High School textbook recently that had "England" written across the whole of a map of the UK so is it any wonder people get confused!?


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Re: The Revolutionary War
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2011, 06:56:35 PM »
I saw a US High School textbook recently that had "England" written across the whole of a map of the UK so is it any wonder people get confused!?

Wow, sounds like a letter to the editor is in order!
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