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Re: Gay Couple may be forced to move out of the U.S.
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2004, 02:50:39 PM »
Welcome to UKY, Nicky! It warms my heart to be from San Francisco when I hear stories like yours - it's such a haven in a country that just doesn't sing my song anymore! But London is great too, and we'll be happy to have you over here! I have a handful of friends who are looking to move abroad if Bush is re-elected, so you'll be in good company if it does end up coming to that....


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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2004, 07:27:28 PM »
Welcome to Europe, which isn't slithering back into the prejudice of the 1950s. Gay marriage will most likely be legally recognized throughout the EU in 5-7 years. It's legal in Belgium and the Netherlands. Spain will make it so most likely in the New Year. Ireland looks to do the same in the next 12 months, and even the UK will get there sooner rather than later, no matter what craven Rowan Williams might think.

Basically, it's getting to the position where homophobia is considered a litmus test that shows that a political party isn't fit to participate in mainstream EU politics. Only the wackos, like Austria's neofascist Freedom Party (led by a closeted leader, of course) bang on against lgbt equality.

While the UK might not have the flashiness of the US; in terms of everyday realities, it's actually better than the US. For one, no fears of losing health insurance and plenty of anti-discrimination laws. What you'll lose in latte culture, you'll gain in mundane liberties.

For an indication of current European sensibilities, here's something from today's UK Times:

THE Italian politician chosen as the EU’s justice and civil rights chief will be asked today by the European Parliament to stand aside even before taking up his post after causing outrage with his views on homosexuals and women. Rocco Buttiglione, a friend of the Pope, infuriated the Parliament when, in his confirmation hearing last week, he said: “I may think that homosexuality is a sin but this has no effect on politics, unless I say that homosexuality is a crime.”

When asked why he was opposed to gay marriages, Signor Buttiglione said that “the family exists to allow women to have children and be protected by their husbands”. He added that Europe’s low birth rate was because of women concentrating on their careers. He also called for a clampdown on immigration. Signor Buttiglione, a political ally of Silvio Berlusconi, the Prime Minister, was due to become European Commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security on November 1, giving him overall control of EU policy on civil rights, discrimination, racism, drug addiction and border control.

The European Parliament, which has to approve all of the commissioners, has drafted a letter which insists that Signor Buttiglioni be given another job. The letter will be voted on today by the Justice, Freedom and Security Committee and is supported by most parties. Josep Borrell, the President of the European Parliament, said: “I find these views shocking. I don’t think that at this moment in time we can have such people in charge of justice — especially justice. Perhaps if he were in charge of beetroots, it wouldn’t be so serious.”
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2004, 06:57:16 PM »
WOW...Thanks everyone for making me feel so welcome, and encouraging me in our big scary move.   :o. And thanks to Elizabeth too! Elizabeth and I cemented our love of the U.K. when we met up there in....1984! She forced me to make a pilgramage to The RumRunner club in Liverpool, as that was where Duran Duran was from. Of course the club had closed it's doors years earlier, but that was in the days before you could check stuff like that on the internet.
And it looks like we will be embarking on other UK adventures next year....


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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2004, 08:32:14 PM »
Hi there and welcome, and congratulations on your marriage. 

I was forced to leave the US and move to London in order to be able to live with my partner, who is English.  Gay marriage may not be legal in Britain--YET--but at least, thank Goddess, there is some mechanism for us to be able to live together in peace.

I thought I would miss America and long for my home country...hasn't happened yet, and I've been here 3 years.  Of course, Britain/Europe are not perfect, no country is.  But I love it here and cannot wait to get my British passport (a few years yet to go, unfortunately) so that I can travel around the EU with ease.  I cannot imagine ever going back to the USA to live--especially if the government continues its terrifying lurch to the right.
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2004, 09:18:50 PM »
The RumRunner club in Liverpool, as that was where Duran Duran was from.

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It was BIRMINGHAM.  Sheesh.

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Hollywood, CA -> London, UK 2004
London, UK -> Long Beach, CA 2007

Best 3 1/2 years of my life!


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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2004, 02:27:10 AM »
Lucky,

One more thing. If you do decide to move here and consider living anywhere other than London, move to Brighton. Brighton is the UK's (if not Europe's) equivalent to San Francisco as far as gay tolerance goes. (It's also a cheesy beach resort, but that's another story...).

Since you were born here, you probably already know that, but I had no idea until I came here to meet my future husband. I love how liberal and tolerant the people in this area tend to be.

Good luck to you and your husband/partner/significant other/mate--whatever terminology is ultimately used.

Suzanne

P.S. Whatever the temporary (or permanent) outcome is, you don't have to have a piece of paper to signify how you and your husband/partner feel about each other, although I also know it's the deep symbolism attached to it that counts. Regardless, you both know how much you love each other, so please just try to be patient and don't miss the forest for looking at the trees. You're already emotionally committed to spending the rest of your lives together. Don't let anyone who can't mind their own business and have nothing better to do than to try to control the status of your romantic relationship leave you embittered. Okay?  ;)


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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2004, 10:12:54 AM »
Respectfully, I disagree. There's more to life than Brighton!. While it's true that men have been going down there for centuries, it's far from the only gay friendly place. Besides the capital cities of London and Edinburgh, Manchester, Birmingham, and Leeds are all vibrant. But the larger reality is that it's a small country and you don't need to look for a rare pocket of tolerance anymore, but the odd pockets of intolerance.


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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2004, 10:57:35 AM »
I wish you well in your journey.  London is lovely and you can always visit the States.  Though it would be nice to be able to love and live with your partner where you want to freely.


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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2004, 09:16:25 PM »


       salut les amis

       j ai un couple d amis gay qui habite a londres je suis sure que

      la vie ici sera aussi sympas et avec un peu de chance on pourra

      discuter et boire une pint bienvenue au site les amis.




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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2004, 09:29:09 PM »


 salut les amis

 j ai un couple d amis gay qui habite a londres je suis sure que

 la vie ici sera aussi sympas et avec un peu de chance on pourra

 discuter et boire une pint bienvenue au site les amis.




It's amazing really...for how little attention I paid in French class (alomst 15 years ago)...I acctually got that!!!


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