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« on: January 05, 2014, 11:47:13 AM »
"Dr McShane says that looking after the 15.4 million people in England with at least one long-term condition already takes up 70% of the NHS's £110bn budget, some £77bn. He says this is in addition to £10.9bn of the £15.5bn spent on social care in England."

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-04/long-term-medical-conditions-could-overwhelm-the-nhs/
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2014, 12:50:08 PM »
The article I saw in the paper gave diabetes and heart disease as the chief long-term conditions.  Good preventive measures can help reduce the risk of both of those.
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Re: NHS
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2014, 01:49:59 PM »
I didn't know diabetes had moved up the list so much.

I was thinking though, that as we debate the state of health care in the UK (and worldwide), and as so many headlines seem to focus on benefit tourism, skivers and Saturday night A&E bedlam, a true snapshot of resource allocation is more of a person with a chronic condition - arthritis, diabetes, dementia -  than of a foreigner popping over to have a quickie birth on the taxpayers' tab. It seems rather strange to be focusing on the .03 percent and not the seventy.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 08:17:14 AM »
As DH is one of the chronic patients (kidney transplant), I shall be eternally grateful to the NHS and am well aware of the cost.  We were told that the one injection he received prior to the surgery (to knock off leucocytes) costs 5000 pounds!  And that's not counting all the other meds which he will need for life.  So, yeah, there are a lot of non-skivers out there receiving needed healthcare.
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Re: NHS
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 05:54:38 PM »
If more was spent on welfare / education / income redistribution, I'd hazard a guess that the NHS bill overall would come down. Just my 2p.


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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 06:08:38 PM »
If more was spent on welfare / education / income redistribution, I'd hazard a guess that the NHS bill overall would come down. Just my 2p.

Absolutely. Health is not some fenced-off thingy - something you worry about when you have a fever. It is connected to everything.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 09:20:11 PM »
If more was spent on welfare / education / income redistribution, I'd hazard a guess that the NHS bill overall would come down. Just my 2p.

The UK spends billions on welfare every year and yet we are catching the US up in % of obese people, so that's not the answer.

It would be better if all governments' taxed sugar, but the sugar lobby is too big. Sugar is realy bad for us and type 2 diabetes will bring down the NHS.

Did anyone watch those "Weight of the Nation" programmes? I just hope it makes people read the sugar contents on the labels, or cook from scatch using fresh veggies and lean mean. Batch cooking if they are pushed for time. Fresh veggies are so cheap in the UK.
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Re: NHS
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 09:49:00 AM »
The UK spends billions on welfare every year and yet we are catching the US up in % of obese people, so that's not the answer.

It would be better if all governments' taxed sugar, but the sugar lobby is too big. Sugar is realy bad for us and type 2 diabetes will bring down the NHS.

Did anyone watch those "Weight of the Nation" programmes? I just hope it makes people read the sugar contents on the labels, or cook from scatch using fresh veggies and lean mean. Batch cooking if they are pushed for time. Fresh veggies are so cheap in the UK.

Well we don't agree on much, but I almost think a bag of sugar should have a skull and crossbones on it. And sugar, especially in the form of High-fructose corn syrup, is sneaked into so many pre-prepared items. And I don't know if it is addictive, but you get used to it.

Just the other day I walked through my local supermarket and did a quick audit and found that if you took out the fizzy drinks, the crisps, the alcohol (not a moral judgement, just on healthiness), the boxed cereals, the ready meals (some are worse than others), the candy and chocolates, the frozen pizza, the suspect yogurts, the jarred sauces....it's 75% of the store. It makes sense if you look at a bag of crisps and think that the plastic bag probably costs more to produce than the actual crisps. There's probably 10p worth of potatoes in there. It probably makes them mad when whole potato sales go up. They are serving up poison and fleecing you at the same time. I've decided I'm not going to be part of that hustle.

One thing I have started doing is keeping a couple of big bags of frozen mixed vegetables and spinach in the freezer and then just throw a handful or two into whatever I am cooking. Fresh is better (especially the spinach) but being a poor kitchen planner it keeps my waste down. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 01:22:32 PM »
Well we don't agree on much, but I almost think a bag of sugar should have a skull and crossbones on it. And sugar, especially in the form of High-fructose corn syrup, is sneaked into so many pre-prepared items. And I don't know if it is addictive, but you get used to it.

Hey! We finally agree on something :)

Yes, sugar is addictive.

Just the other day I walked through my local supermarket and did a quick audit and found that if you took out the fizzy drinks, the crisps, the alcohol (not a moral judgement, just on healthiness), the boxed cereals, the ready meals (some are worse than others), the candy and chocolates, the frozen pizza, the suspect yogurts, the jarred sauces....it's 75% of the store.

Don't forget the sugar in juice. People might think they are being healthy by drinking a glass or two of juice, but that is nearly as bad (as bad?) for us, as fizzy drinks! Just eat an orange if you want orange juice. If you are thirsty, drink water. We all need to check the labels for sugar content on readymade food, tins, tubes etc.

 
It makes sense if you look at a bag of crisps and think that the plastic bag probably costs more to produce than the actual crisps. There's probably 10p worth of potatoes in there. It probably makes them mad when whole potato sales go up. They are serving up poison and fleecing you at the same time. I've decided I'm not going to be part of that hustle.

Then they offer 2 for 1 on all that rubbish food - and the consumer thinks they have a bargain! Crisps make me ill, as I don't like trans fats.

One thing I have started doing is keeping a couple of big bags of frozen mixed vegetables and spinach in the freezer and then just throw a handful or two into whatever I am cooking. Fresh is better (especially the spinach) but being a poor kitchen planner it keeps my waste down.  

Frozen veggies are frozen quite quickly and are better for us than veggies that are going soggie. The pea viners work around the clock when it is time to harvest the peas and they freeze them at the field. It's quite a sight to see them in action - using lights as they harvest at night too - they just don't stop.

Try eating your fresh spinach, raw. You can even buy it ready washed if you would rather. Or if you are having ommlette, just pop spinach in a dry frying pan for a few seconds.

I'm going to be planting my veggie seeds from next month: starting with Sungold tomato seeds - little drops of heaven. Nothing better than home grown veggies as you can use the veggies that have more flavour but don't travel well (thinner skins). Spinach is easy to grow in growbags ;) You learn portion control too when you grow your own, as you only harvest what you have ready. My little apline strawberries grow every year in bags on a sunny wall, producing from May to December; their total harvest per year = 1 mug ;D But the flavour........

Or use the "Pick your own" farms ;D

I use a hand meat mincer (about £24 from Lakeland) to mince chicken or turkey breasts for mince dishes, instead of red meat. I make a mean spicy turkey burger, served in a wholemeal bun with spinach and homemade relish (have you seen the sugar content in ready made pickles!).

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Re: NHS
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 03:52:47 PM »
I've done a similar scrutiny of local supermarkets, as SofS.  And when you take all the junk out there's not a lot left.  And what would be left would be higher priced.  I can think of only about two packaged cereals with no sugar.  Waitrose and other supermarkets have  "Free From"  sections which usually just means gluten-free.  Fine for those who have a problem with gluten but no use to those of us who need to restrict sugar and salt (which is pretty much everybody)
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 05:10:11 PM »
I've done a similar scrutiny of local supermarkets, as SofS.  And when you take all the junk out there's not a lot left.  And what would be left would be higher priced.  I can think of only about two packaged cereals with no sugar.

Or you could have a poached egg on a slice of wholemeal toast for breakfast with no butter? Or a 2 egg ommlette (just use 1 of the egg yokes), perhaps with a slice of fresh tomato and some fresh basil?

If you want cerial for breakfast, keep away from the processed stuff. You might just as well eat the cardboard box it came in!

5g of sugar = 1 teaspoon of sugar.
In a 40g portion (2 tablespoons) of Lidl porridge, there is virtually no sugar. In 100g of their porridge there is point7g of porridge and we only need 40g per breakfast. They sell it at about 40p for 500g: which is just over 12 breakfasts for 3p each breakfast.

Coop porridge hasn't got much more sugar (point 9g in 100g). 1k is about £1.15. Each breakfast (40g portion) has point4g of sugar. 5p each breakfast.

I just use boiling water poured over 40g of porridge (stir and wait) but I made my childrens' porridge with milk when I gave them cerial for breakfast. Sometimes add a banana or just a few berries, if they are in season. Or save the banana or berries for a mid morning snack :)




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Re: NHS
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2014, 07:10:14 AM »
I almost think a bag of sugar should have a skull and crossbones on it.


I am reading 'Sugar Blues' at the moment, and if it's all true, it's very scary.


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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2014, 09:12:43 AM »
I am reading 'Sugar Blues' at the moment, and if it's all true, it's very scary.


Sugar on it's own (in moderation) isn't bad for you  as we need sugar for energy. Fruit has sugar. It's when it's used in processed food (combined with fat) that it seems to be something some people crave.  Some cerials are just like eating a bowl of sweets!. A healthy diet is cheaper than living on processed food. Keep away from processed food.

Low sugar porridge is 3p a breakfast. 6 Free range eggs are £1 in Poundland. A good quality wholemeal loaf is about £1.20 and should last 2 people, 5 days. Chicken is cheap too and can be bulked with lentils if money is tight. 3 cabbages a pound in the markets. Lidl and Aldi always have lots of fresh low priced veggies and fruit (get there early as they sell out of their weekly specail offers). Courgette seeds are 40p for 10 seeds and you only need 2 seeds per year to feed the family with courgettes over the summer.

The BBC Horizon programme Sugar v Fat is worth a watch.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03t8r4h/Horizon_20132014_Sugar_v_Fat/
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Re: NHS
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2014, 12:04:41 PM »
Sugar on it's own (in moderation) isn't bad for you  as we need sugar for energy. Fruit has sugar. It's when it's used in processed food (combined with fat) that it seems to be something some people crave. 

This demonisation of sugar really gets to me. In moderation (like anything else), sugar is fine.
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Re: NHS
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2014, 12:30:40 PM »
This demonisation of sugar really gets to me. In moderation (like anything else), sugar is fine.

Yes, really.  I am PA Dutch every single one of my families' recipes involves sugar and yet, before we all moved off the farm, they were all healthy.  My great grandparents lived into their late 90s and one of my great-grandmothers lived until 108.  

It is not any more "addictive" than any other thing that gives people pleasure like running.  

I give up sugar, every year for Lent.  It isn't a struggle.  I don't have sweats, or feel like mugging little old ladies in the street to get my fix, or have seizures.  Nor did my newborn have to spend time in the NICU detoxing because I enjoyed ice cream while pregnant.

And before anyone asks, I also used to be obese.  I lost about 60ish pounds over 2 years and kept it off for 12.  It wasn't hard to keep it off; I never counted calories and I never gave up any one food type.  

I got pregnant and gained 27 and the baby is two months old and I lost 22 in the first month.  I do still need to work on building up my stomach muscles though.

tl;dr Sugar. Eat less of it, just like everything else.  Also, shredded wheat and oatmeal both have 0 sugar.
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