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ILR (SET M) questions
« on: January 29, 2014, 09:43:24 AM »
Hi all - long time no see. Hope you are all well.

My deadline for applying for ILR is coming up quickly (Valentine's Day - Eep!), and I have just a couple of quick queries. Most of my paperwork is coming together nicely but I have a couple of quibbles.

1. Documents. Arg. I have the required 6 documents over the last 2 years, and miraculously not only are they spaced 4 months apart almost to the day, but they are all jointly addressed.   ;D The only problem is my most recent one (for October 2013) is a bank statement. I have almost nothing but bank statements for both of us between August-November of last year (no idea why). My husband gets very little in the post for himself due to, erm, 'accidentially' switching his phone and credit card to internet only billing (I have loads - between student loan documents and NHS letters and credit cards and and so on). I am operating under the assumption I need to send six months' worth of bank statements - can my October bank statement work as both in this case (as six months takes me back to August)?

My other options are a paystub from an interview he went on that was dated October, and a jointly addressed letter from our utility company (not a bill - the advice doesn't say whether general letters are okay or not when it comes to utilities). This is literally all we have from that period. Any idea if either of those would be acceptable? (I would suppliment his post with something of mine from the same period.)

2. So, between us, we have four jobs. I have the payslips from his main job (the income from which pops us over the minimum - which I know we don't have to deal with, but it might be relevant to the question), and the payslips from our teaching work at the university as well. But I am missing several months' worth from my retail job. I have ordered them twice from my company's HR department, but they have yet to arrive. I have the odd one, but I have a gap from September-November (and I know I never received my November one).  I am going by my store today to see if my manager can find the original behind her cupboard or something, but what happens if none of this materialises? Any advice?

3. Also - 'probably want to make copies' is a phrase used in the application. Probably. How many would they like?

4. The application asks how long I have been in the UK. I have been here since September 2006; however, I did go home between late June and late September 2007 between my MA and PhD. Any idea how to write that one down? I will be detailing how it worked in the covering letter, but I'm not sure if I should say 7 years and 4 months, or 6 years and 4 months.

5. The application also asks vaguely amusing questions about how often I see my husband. Uh, we live together. Every now and then we go on conference trips alone, but that's a couple of days at most. Presumably a completely non-snarky (honest!) 'every day' is acceptable?

6. And the part about 'significant ties to another country'. My side of the family is still in the US. Am I right in assuming that just saying 'immediate and extended family US citizens/residents' is enough here? Would they like to know the rough proportion of my friends circle that lives there? Names? Addresses? Number of times I've bridesmaided for them? What?  ??? ??? (I absolutely have no idea how to answer this question in actuality. I have family and friends back home. Of course I do. I have roughly the same number of both here as well.)

I know I have plenty of time (in theory), but I'd like to get things sent off by this coming Monday if at all possible.

Thanks in advance. :-)
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 09:48:45 AM »
Forgot one - the question about 'could you and your partner live together outside the UK'. Technically, yes - but not without considerable change in finances/occupations/etc. I presume 'no' is the correct answer, then?
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 10:18:32 AM »
Forgot one - the question about 'could you and your partner live together outside the UK'. Technically, yes - but not without considerable change in finances/occupations/etc. I presume 'no' is the correct answer, then?

I think I answered Yes to that one, in fact I wrote, "yes" but our home is in the UK.


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2014, 10:19:17 AM »

6. And the part about 'significant ties to another country'. My side of the family is still in the US. Am I right in assuming that just saying 'immediate and extended family US citizens/residents' is enough here? Would they like to know the rough proportion of my friends circle that lives there? Names? Addresses? Number of times I've bridesmaided for them? What?  ??? ??? (I absolutely have no idea how to answer this question in actuality. I have family and friends back home. Of course I do. I have roughly the same number of both here as well.)


I just said parents/brother in US.  Place of birth.


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 10:57:17 AM »
I am operating under the assumption I need to send six months' worth of bank statements - can my October bank statement work as both in this case (as six months takes me back to August)?

You have to send the most recent 6 months of bank statements and payslips anyway to show your financial situation.

I would imagine you would be able to use one of those bank statements as one of your 6 letters, as long as you made it clear that you were using one of them, but if there is any other letter you can use instead, it might be easier and clearer for the application to do that.

Remember that you need at least 3 different sources of documents, so just make sure you don't have too many bank statements and not enough other sources.

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My other options are a paystub from an interview he went on that was dated October, and a jointly addressed letter from our utility company (not a bill - the advice doesn't say whether general letters are okay or not when it comes to utilities). This is literally all we have from that period. Any idea if either of those would be acceptable? (I would suppliment his post with something of mine from the same period.)

I would probably send the utility company letter as well, and if it isn't acceptable, then ask if your October bank statement can be used instead.

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2. So, between us, we have four jobs. I have the payslips from his main job (the income from which pops us over the minimum - which I know we don't have to deal with, but it might be relevant to the question), and the payslips from our teaching work at the university as well. But I am missing several months' worth from my retail job. I have ordered them twice from my company's HR department, but they have yet to arrive. I have the odd one, but I have a gap from September-November (and I know I never received my November one).  I am going by my store today to see if my manager can find the original behind her cupboard or something, but what happens if none of this materialises? Any advice?

As there is no official minimum income requirement, it is not so important that you need every single document. As long as you can show the most recent 6 months of payslips and bank statements from at least one of you, showing that you have enough money to live on, I don't think it will be a problem.

Just include as many of your retail payslips as you can get hold of, along with his payslips. If you are including your university payslips the retail ones won't be particularly relevant.

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3. Also - 'probably want to make copies' is a phrase used in the application. Probably. How many would they like?

Is it used? I've just looked at the application and it says several times:

You should photocopy each of these documents and provide the copies in addition to the originals.

Nothing about 'probably making copies' - you HAVE to make copies.

I would send one photocopy of everything you are mailing to them, so that you ensure you get your originals back.

I would also make a copy of everything to keep for yourself while the application is processing, just in case.

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4. The application asks how long I have been in the UK. I have been here since September 2006; however, I did go home between late June and late September 2007 between my MA and PhD. Any idea how to write that one down? I will be detailing how it worked in the covering letter, but I'm not sure if I should say 7 years and 4 months, or 6 years and 4 months.

I would give the time between September 2006 and now, as you haven't been absent for more than 6 months in that time - so 7 years and 4 months.

The application then asks for absences of more than 6 months, so you don't need to mention anything about your absence there as it was only for 3 months.

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5. The application also asks vaguely amusing questions about how often I see my husband. Uh, we live together. Every now and then we go on conference trips alone, but that's a couple of days at most. Presumably a completely non-snarky (honest!) 'every day' is acceptable?

Yes, 'every day' or 'we live together' is acceptable - that is what they are expecting you to write.

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6. And the part about 'significant ties to another country'. My side of the family is still in the US. Am I right in assuming that just saying 'immediate and extended family US citizens/residents' is enough here? Would they like to know the rough proportion of my friends circle that lives there? Names? Addresses? Number of times I've bridesmaided for them? What?  ??? ??? (I absolutely have no idea how to answer this question in actuality. I have family and friends back home. Of course I do. I have roughly the same number of both here as well.)

Just put 'United States' and 'Immediate and extended family/friends/other ties you have'

As far as I know, no more detail other than that is needed.

Forgot one - the question about 'could you and your partner live together outside the UK'. Technically, yes - but not without considerable change in finances/occupations/etc. I presume 'no' is the correct answer, then?

Yes, you're going to have to answer no, even if it isn't convenient.

They are looking to see whether, if your visa is refused, you can physically live another country, or whether the UK is your only legal option. As you can legally live together in any other EU country, or the US, or you could qualify for visas for a third country, then you can't answer 'yes'.

You would only be able to answer yes here if, for example, you were an asylum seeker for whom it would be life-threateningly dangerous for you to return to your home country and there wasn't any way for you to gain a visa to live in another country.

Or for example, there was some reason why your UK citizen partner cannot leave the UK, or perhaps they have a terminal illness and cannot travel anywhere, or they are not legally allowed to enter the US or any other country.


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 11:52:24 AM »
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I would probably send the utility company letter as well, and if it isn't acceptable, then ask if your October bank statement can be used instead.

Presumably I should clarify this in the covering letter?

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As there is no official minimum income requirement, it is not so important that you need every single document. As long as you can show the most recent 6 months of payslips and bank statements from at least one of you, showing that you have enough money to live on, I don't think it will be a problem.

Just include as many of your retail payslips as you can get hold of, along with his payslips. If you are including your university payslips the retail ones won't be particularly relevant.

Fair enough - I would have thought they could put it together from the various deposits into our bank account in any case. I'll mention the reason I'm missing some from the retail job in the covering letter. (I tend to annotate the application in the covering letter in any case).

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Forgot one - the question about 'could you and your partner live together outside the UK'. Technically, yes - but not without considerable change in finances/occupations/etc. I presume 'no' is the correct answer, then?

Yes, you're going to have to answer no, even if it isn't convenient.

They are looking to see whether, if your visa is refused, you can physically live another country, or whether the UK is your only legal option. As you can legally live together in any other EU country, or the US, or you could qualify for visas for a third country, then you can't answer 'yes'.

You would only be able to answer yes here if, for example, you were an asylum seeker for whom it would be life-threateningly dangerous for you to return to your home country and there wasn't any way for you to gain a visa to live in another country.

Or for example, there was some reason why your UK citizen partner cannot leave the UK, or perhaps they have a terminal illness and cannot travel anywhere, or they are not legally allowed to enter the US or any other country.

To clarify, as I feel like the yes/no is backwards somehow - we only answer the question 'could you and your partner live together outside the UK' with 'no' if there is a reason my husband would be unable to leave the country or that me returning home would put me in danger. So yes. I think. Though I have just realised this question - 2.9 - is unnecessary for me as we answer 'yes' to the question about whether or not we currently live together (2.4) and can skip to the question about how often we see each other. No wonder it made very little sense to me. But knowing what information they're actually after clarifies the question in any case.

Also, can I pleeeease be really silly and answer 2.11 (when did you last see your partner?) with 'Approximately 3 hours ago, when he left for work. I expect he'll be home around half six for dinner.'? Please? Or will they reject me soley for sarcasm? (Not a serious question - I just figure if I can't laugh about this I'll just end up crying and curled up in the corner rocking…)
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 11:56:57 AM »
I had that question when I was applying in person and my husband was sitting next to me.  We simply put "today" and that was fine.

Some people put the daily, others put daily, others put we live together.  It's not a trick question as it could be relevant to couples who live apart.


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 12:09:22 PM »
Oh, I know, and I know for some people it is very relevant. I can see why it's there. But for us it's a kind of funny (both funny ha-ha and funny peculiar) question.
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 12:45:54 PM »
Oh, I know, and I know for some people it is very relevant. I can see why it's there. But for us it's a kind of funny (both funny ha-ha and funny peculiar) question.

My husband and I had the same response.  "Now!  No, now!  Five seconds ago, before he went into the loo!"

But we suppressed the sarcasm and just wrote "today".  :)


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2014, 12:56:48 PM »
For some reason, I am only thinking of sarcastic/inappropraite responses to questions today. I asked my hubs if he thought it would be okay to make the EO blush (in response to the question 'how did your relationship begin?'). He laughed and gave me a look. :-P

Or, possibly, to 'when did you last see your partner?' - 'Now he was here just a second ago… *noise of footsteps pounding across the floor, followed by muffled conversation, and then more footsteps* Right. Just now. Well, then, now, I guess. Now has become then. Or will be soon.'

(apologies to Spaceballs...)
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2014, 01:27:36 PM »
Presumably I should clarify this in the covering letter?

If you want to, although you don't really need to include a covering letter.

You can always just attach a note to that section instead.


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To clarify, as I feel like the yes/no is backwards somehow - we only answer the question 'could you and your partner live together outside the UK' with 'no' if there is a reason my husband would be unable to leave the country or that me returning home would put me in danger. So yes. I think. Though I have just realised this question - 2.9 - is unnecessary for me as we answer 'yes' to the question about whether or not we currently live together (2.4) and can skip to the question about how often we see each other. No wonder it made very little sense to me. But knowing what information they're actually after clarifies the question in any case.

Yes, sorry - got that mixed around.

It's  'no' if you cannot live together outside the UK due to legal or personal safety reasons

It's no if, in theory, you have the legal ability to live in another country together.

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Also, can I pleeeease be really silly and answer 2.11 (when did you last see your partner?) with 'Approximately 3 hours ago, when he left for work. I expect he'll be home around half six for dinner.'? Please? Or will they reject me soley for sarcasm? (Not a serious question - I just figure if I can't laugh about this I'll just end up crying and curled up in the corner rocking…)

Lol - I doubt they would refuse the visa, but I wouldn't recommend answering that way :).

ILR is not a difficult application - it's much easier and straightforward than the spousal visa, and it almost never gets refused, so there's no reason to worry about it :).


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 01:39:07 PM »
A friend of mine just got her ILR (via the 10 year residency route), and she said mostly she answered the many of the questions quite snarkily. Hers was approved and she's one of the high risk pools (South Asian female). I don't think they mind providing the information is correct and what they want.

And yeah, I've heard ILR, especially for spouses, is pretty much straight forward. I'm taking it seriously, but at the same time, this will be my fourth visa. It's hard to not be a little goofy about it, especially when the questions are worded so amusingly.
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2014, 01:46:42 PM »
Just as a heads-up, you might want to consider a PEO appointment and applying in person (if you can swing the extra £375).  The rules changed at the end of October (doesn't affect Americans as it was an English-test requirement) and the backlog got pretty big.  Decisions are taking several months now, so if you have travel plans, you might not want to risk a postal application.


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2014, 05:13:12 PM »
Thanks for letting me know. I don't have any travel plans - I'm stuck in Norwich teaching pretty much straight through till June, and I never make plans when there's a visa up for grabs anyway. We could swing it financially, but ironically I can't swing the time for the appointment!

Why is the backlog so huge, though? Is it just loads of people applying before the requirement? Last I checked the SET(M) queues were still about two or three months… *heads over to the ILR discussion to check…*
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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Re: ILR (SET M) questions
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2014, 02:45:13 PM »
Hi guys, one more question -

Since we've got four jobs, how on earth should we list that on the finances section? We both teach on a short term, termly basis at the university - our income from that changes each term (and is sometimes non-existent). We are both teaching currently (I taught last term as well at a slightly different level, though he did not). To make things even more complicated, I got extra teaching added at the last minute and it won't show up on my payslip until next month because it went through after the deadline for the January payday. In addition, I often get a consistent amount of overtime doing retail, though it's obviously slightly different every month. :-/ So -

In the finances section, should I only use our typical minimum current monthly income from our two long-term jobs, or add in the most recent amounts we've been paid for January (as that will be, more or less, consistent till May)? I'm tempted to use the current base-line minimum on the application itself for each job (add them together, I guess?), and then itemise on the second page of the finances section. Ideas?

Sorry if that's totally confusing - let me know if you need that explained any better!
Student visa #1 (MA): September 2006
Student visa #2 (PhD): January 2008
Married(!): October 2011
FLR(M) applied for: December 2011
FLR(M) granted: February 2012
ILR (M) applied for: 4 February 2014
ILR (M) granted: June 2014


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