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Your idea of people
« on: October 29, 2004, 09:46:57 PM »
As someone from the uk I'm interested on what ameicans think its going to be like before they come. There was a programme about kilts being hired and the American couple on it went to a Scottish fair and it was all bagpipes and kilts ie tartan tat. They saif they wanted to come to Scotland because of the castles and scenery. I thought it would be great if the show sent them to Barheid or Possil Park or any really dodgy area full of neds and see what they thought. Do Americans really think the Uk is like period drama full of castles or tea shops lol as I don't think many ppl from the Uk go to new york and think sarah jessica parker will pop up and invite them to buy shoes and drink cosmopolitons lol X


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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2004, 09:53:51 PM »
I'm sure you get a lot of Americans thinking this, what with the popularity of costume films these days...

But then again, i've heard some scary stereotypes from Brits as well..people from here always seem to be surprised to find out that Hollywood is a big ol' dump! Or that not everyone in LA is a blonde bimbo in a bikini running in slo mo... Although I'm sure the male population would prefer this to be true!

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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 10:04:17 PM »
As someone from the uk I'm interested on what ameicans think its going to be like before they come. There was a programme about kilts being hired and the American couple on it went to a Scottish fair and it was all bagpipes and kilts ie tartan tat. They saif they wanted to come to Scotland because of the castles and scenery.

I think they had a fair enough point - many people choose to visit the whole of Britain and Ireland because of the castles and scenery.  I wouldn't want to go on holiday to a deprived inner city area or concrete jungle in any country... although I know they must exist.

One thing I did fine, as a Brit in Texas, was that many people confused the terms UK, Britain and England (although people also do that here) and when I explained that I didn't actually live in London, their eyes glazed over. :)


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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 10:48:10 PM »
Lol everyone spells my name wrong even people with the same spelling lol thats really odd X


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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2004, 08:27:12 AM »
Alastair, (hey I spelled it right!)  :P
I was in Scotland last August and I think I was a bit more prepared than most tourists. I knew Scottish men didn't wear kilts all the time and the area where I was visiting was kinda off the tourist trail (Ballingry Fife) so I got the chance to mingle with the locals at the pubs and shopping centre..and yes they sing karaoke just like we do here in the midwest!  My idea of the people was everyone seemed very friendly and laid back. I wondered why alot of the young people were wearing track suits and the caps and now I know the term for those who dress like that. Before I went over I didn't even know what a ned was. I have to laugh though because it reminds me of alot of the young people here who try to act, talk and dress like they're black rappers..and these are white kids . ;)  But I remember what it was like to be a teenager and the need to fit in with a group..way back in the 80s! ;)


Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2004, 11:56:15 AM »
As someone from the uk I'm interested on what ameicans think its going to be like before they come. There was a programme about kilts being hired and the American couple on it went to a Scottish fair and it was all bagpipes and kilts ie tartan tat. They saif they wanted to come to Scotland because of the castles and scenery. I thought it would be great if the show sent them to Barheid or Possil Park or any really dodgy area full of neds and see what they thought. Do Americans really think the Uk is like period drama full of castles or tea shops lol as I don't think many ppl from the Uk go to new york and think sarah jessica parker will pop up and invite them to buy shoes and drink cosmopolitons lol X

Wouldn't this be a bit like people who want to go to DisneyWorld being sent to the dodgier areas of Orlando?  Not very good tourism-and not very good for the tourism industry.  There's nothing wrong with people wanting to travel to the UK to see castles and scenery-afterall they do exist here. 
Sure, you'll get people with an idealized view of the UK, but I think that's pretty fair to say about tourists from all over the world in whatever country they're visiting. 


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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2004, 12:38:27 PM »
That's a really good question, Alastair. I'm wracking my brain for a true answer, but having difficulty recalling exactly what I was expecting.

My first visit was back in the summer of 1996. I knew I'd always wanted to visit the UK and this opportunity came at a do-it-now-or-never-do-it time in my life. What got me interested in the UK at first was the Beatles, and everything that went with the phenomena.

But, since 30 years had passed, and the Beatles were then down to three ex-members, and go-go boots and John hats were now sitting dusty in charity shop back rooms, I probably set my sights and dreams to castles and royalty. I thought perhaps I'd see the Queen or run into Princess Diana.

When I arrived, I was awstruck by rich greenery and ("this REALLY happened!") history. Everything had a deep story. I was a wall-toucher. I held my hands to architecture and closed my eyes, trying to imagine the people who walked in the same vicinity 1000s of years ago. Perhaps touched this wall too. I recall spending that week in amazement I was here, touching and looking at everything I could, and gradually falling in love with where I was...and who I was with.

When I made the decision to move across, I felt it would be very easy. Heck, it's just driving on the other side of the road and trying to understand different accents. What I wasn't ready for was how different everything was, almost mirror-like in such subtle ways to make me think I was going nuts.

The interesting thing is that now I think I have developed almost a distorted view of how the US is, now that I have lived in the UK for almost seven years. It's big and overwhelming and patriotic and religious and Hi-y'all and Have-a-nice-day to almost a too-much of a degree. Too much choice! Too many signs! Stores too big! People too nice! Clerks too attentive! I honestly have to laugh at this reaction...and then wonder if I was a True Brit at heart all along.
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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2004, 10:15:30 PM »

When I arrived, I was awstruck by rich greenery and ("this REALLY happened!") history. Everything had a deep story. I was a wall-toucher. I held my hands to architecture and closed my eyes, trying to imagine the people who walked in the same vicinity 1000s of years ago. Perhaps touched this wall too. I recall spending that week in amazement I was here, touching and looking at everything I could, and gradually falling in love with where I was...and who I was with.


I'm so glad I'm not the only person who does/did this!  When we went to the British Museum I touched pretty much everything I could, and every building I went into over there.  Everything seemed to vibrate!


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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2004, 11:56:10 AM »
The first time I came to see DH on holiday we wwere driving from Gatwick to Watford and I saw a heard of sheep.  I saw very seriously "I thought they only had sheep in Wales"  Now hows that for looking at sterotypes.



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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2004, 01:33:08 PM »
My family always asks if we know the royals and my niece is convinced that Princes William and HArry are our friends because we live accross the street from Windsor castle and she plays with her neighbours, so why shouldn't we  ::)
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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 08:34:08 AM »
I am ashamed to admit that I didn't really think that much about what the UK would be like before I started traveling here on business several years ago.  When I did start to anticipate my first visit I lookedforward to seeing a castle if lucky and some of the well known landmarks in London however I didn't think of the people as stereotypes, probably because I worked with a lot of Brits (I work for BT).

I have found it necessary to educate a few people I work with over here though that really do believe that Orlando/Disneyworld is a good representation of the US!  ::) I think their only other view was the stereotype of California as mentioned above!  I don't think these folks are a good example of the typical Brit though (thank God!).

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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2004, 10:21:15 AM »
I have found it necessary to educate a few people I work with over here though that really do believe that Orlando/Disneyworld is a good representation of the US!  ::)

Have to laugh. Everytime I meet someone new I have to listen to their Florida (Disney) stories. They tell me how much they love it there and want to move there. Well who wouldnt want to live at Disney World! LOL  "Thats NOT America...that's total fantasy" Take a trip up to DC and see the homeless sleeping on park benches and on the steps of the capitol building.. thats real America.

But I must admit I DID think England would all be castles and cottages! :)


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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2004, 07:28:31 AM »
I didn't have any specific expectations, A (other than meeting men with names such as Alastair, Nigel, Ian, Percy--names that would get you beaten up by guys in the States). Just kidding.

In my case, I'd dated a couple of British men in the States, in between "serious" relationships--two from London, one from a fairly upscale Manchester suburb (or is that an oxymoron?). I hate to say, but none of the three had much positive to say about the UK--hence, they were in the States. The one from Manchester even drunkenly told me on the phone one night (he was in the midst of divorcing an American woman) that not only had he slept with her best friend, but the only reason he'd married her to begin with was to get the proverbial green card. Which he did. He was shocked when I mentioned the conversation the next day--he wasn't someone who was open about his private life, to put it mildly--but conceded it was true. His family wasn't that close--his parents still live in the Manchester suburb, one of his two brothers lives in London, and the other in Australia.

I had been an Anglophile as far as British humor and classic rock went. Before I actually met my future husband face to face in the disaster area known as Heathrow's Terminal 3, we had exchanged emails, spent hours on Yahoo IM, and even more hours on the phone. He was very cynical about Britain (still is), and although he'd never been to the States, he told me I'd probably be in for a shock when I visited here. I got here on a night flight, so there wasn't much countryside to see driving from Heathrow to Brighton. After the initial tears of joy at the airport, I just soaked it all in--the left-side-of-the-road driving, especially after we got off the main thoroughfares and onto the sidestreets here. At first, it was like a vacation. Although, at the time, it was the beginning of June 2000, he had only BBC 1, BBC 2, and channels 3 and 4 on TV, so any given weekend, your choice was: soccer, soccer, horse showmanship, soccer. :)

For some reason, I didn't think the UK would have big supermarkets like the ones in the States, until we first went grocery shopping together. And then, fellow vegetarians that he and I were at the time, it was clear that he knew his way around the stores as much as I did. We'd have a laugh--people say Americans don't get irony/don't find the comical. In this one Tesco we went to, as soon as you walked in the store, the first thing you saw was a refrigerated display of fertilizer/cow manure, in the same unit as whole chickens. "You know, Andrew, when I think of manure to help my garden grow, I also immediately think of whole roasting chickens.." Then there was the glove display next to frozen pizzas.)

Joking aside, I think the biggest shock to me then (and somewhat more understandably now), was the viciousness about Americans, their culture, their accent(s), etc., here. Most Americans are aware that we're disliked abroad. But moving here and hearing just the nightly news and it's leanings, not to mention comedians, etc., was at first very shocking, then hurtful, then defensive-anger inducing. Yes, our president's an idiot (and that's just one opinion), but to realize just how much our supposed closest ally put us down was far and away the biggest surprise.

In the States, at WORST, you might hear (and very rarely) a comedian joke about the British along the lines of "Jolly good, then." But Americans have an incredible amount of respect for the British, one that's obviously not returned. That was the ONLY thing I didn't foresee. I can't speak for everyone, though.
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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2004, 07:55:35 AM »
One other thing: the English countryside is beautiful. But after one of my brothers and his wife (her first time in the UK) visited us, he was here for work, and had been many times before, whereas it was his wife's first time in the UK, and she did all the planned sightseeing in London and the countryside (she's probably seen more of it than I have). But as she put it, there are only so many castles, etc., you can see, and be expected to "Ooh" and "Aah" over. Granted, the history is interesting, to a point, but they do all start blurring into each other. Another of my brothers visited here and was intent on seeing Stonehenge. Andrew had never even seen it before I moved here and insisted we do so. But instead of feeling impressed by one of the "Seven Wonders of the World" (and yes, I know the history of it--how did they move the stones so far, etc.?), I found it one of THE dullest tourist places I'd ever visited. Pay money, walk around a set of fenced-off stones you've seen hundreds of times in photos (and in the case of Stonehenge, seeing it "live" didn't make any great impression). So I told my first-time-in-England brother that he'd really be wasting his two days in England to make a special trip to Stonehenge (when Andrew--my husband--and I went, in the touron-- (combination of tourist and moron--as with any popular tourist place, anywhere on the planet) shop, there was the usual overpriced junk (key rings, t-shirts, postcards, etc.), but the funniest thing was a visitor sign-in book. I looked at the last entry, which had been made the same day from an English boy of seven, and his quote was, verbatim: "Just a lot of big rocks." I told that to my brother who was visiting for the first time, but I guess you can't visit England and NOT see Stonehenge. Anyway, he was predictably underwhelmed by the experience (as I'd told him he would be--after renting a car in London to drive to that area--at least he checked out Salisbury Cathedral), but refrained from writing as dull an assessment as that in the visitor's book.

Anyway--and I'll be accused of being negative here, but you asked--England was much better in my imagination than reality has shown it to be. My husband wouldn't think twice about leaving here and going to the States--it's just 20 times harder now to do so than it was four years ago.

Alastair, have you been to the States? If so, where in the States, and what did you thinK?

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Re: Your idea of people
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2004, 08:14:55 AM »
Know when you buy a certain car and then suddenly you see *everyone* driving it? It's not that it's become popular; always been there. Just your notice of it has heightened.

I think it's the same with jabs. We don't notice when other people make fun of certain cultures until *we* become the brunt of the jokes. Listen closely. Americans do it to Polish. Swedes do it to Norwegians. Texans do it to Oklahomans. French do it to British. Brunettes do it to blonds. Thin do it to fat. Tall do it to short. White do it to black. Protestants do it to Catholics. Whew...I could keep going.

As Americans...okay, White AngloSaxon Protestant Americans...we've never (usually) been the brunt of the joke before. Now, the interesting thing is to take note of the joke. What's being said? Sometimes, just sometimes, truth about ourselves can be learned between the lines of a joke. I don't like being dumped into a melting pot of 'gee you must be this way because you're American' but if I listen, I can learn something about myself. Am I this way? No? Okay, if *I* don't act this way, then maybe I can dispell the myth.

(I am one of a very small small minority of Americans in my town. In many cases I am the only American these Brits have met. That makes me an Ambassador of the US; I represent the US so I *can* change what they think about Americans.)

Ah, but if the shoe fits? "Americans are loud and obnoxious." Hmmm...that one stings. But, ever in a tourist spot with lots of Americans? Didn't ya just CRINGE?! I think to myself: "Quick, think of something to say in a Brit accent!" so I can not be thought a part of that tourist group. I do find myself speaking more quietly these days.

I do like that Americans have respect for Brits. Sometimes I see Trisha and wonder how...LOL! (yeah yeah, Jerry Springer...). But, and getting back to where I am located, the Brits around me are hugely respectful. I've never been made to feel more welcome in my life, truly accepted.

The British sense of humor is a stereotype. I mean, a Brit speaks and Brit people laugh and Americans don't get the joke and both sides shrug "British sense of humor". But when you think about humor, what makes people laugh? Pratfalls. Body functions. Making fun of people for being different. The list goes on.

*sigh*
I acknowledge that people like to make others laugh at the sake of hurting someone else. But that's the "easy" joke.
My own personal choice is the "thinking" joke. The one that points out something we all do, and puts a different angle to it.

Something that I was reminded of...when Graham and I were still on separate continents, he came for a visit and I treated him to a Murder Mystery train ride. We shared the booth with another couple (American). The WHOLE time the man across from us kept calling Graham "Sherlock" and commenting that he should be good at this stuff because he was British. I just wanted to crawl deeply under the table. The man thought he was being funny and that we were laughing along with him.

Stonehenge...
I had a hugely romantic impression of it before I came across. For some reason I thought it was out on an expanse of green surrounded by nothing else but green on three sides and beyond dropping off to white cliffs with crashing waves below. I could envision wild horses and gentle breezes, the smell of wild lilacs...ahhhhhhhhh.

After landing in this country for the first time, we were driving along this non-descript road and Graham pointed to something rather nonchalantly. I know I must have gasped. First that it was "STONEHENGE!" and second that it was nothing my head ever imagined. It was smaller than I thought. It was fenced off. It was between two busy roads. Tour busses were parked everywhere. It was...a disappointment. Yes, by all means go so it because I think everyone should experience as much as they can in life. But, it just wasn't the Stonehenge I romantically conjured up. We live about 12 miles from it and pass it all the time. But I've never been inside the gate.
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