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Flag of England
« on: November 23, 2014, 12:02:16 PM »
Who knew?
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Re: Flag of England
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2014, 12:13:02 PM »
Who knew what... what about it?


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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2014, 12:46:12 PM »
I believe I've missed something.


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Re: Flag of England
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2014, 04:42:08 PM »
Apparently....this guy flew an English Flag from his house, and a Labour MP tweeted a picture of it, and she was forced out her shadow ministerial position. There seems to be a lot more to flying an English flag than I previously thought...
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Re: Flag of England
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2014, 05:02:20 PM »
I haven't followed this very closely, but the way I heard it was that the issue was not that the guy was flying a St George X, but was something to do with the politician's comment about it.


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Re: Flag of England
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2014, 05:30:57 PM »
My understanding is that unfortunately the English flag has been used by many extreme groups to symbolize exclusion and hatred of other groups-- the mp was implying that this was the views of the person who was flying the flag on their home--which of course we have no way of knowing and should never assume.


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Re: Flag of England
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2014, 11:17:25 AM »
I haven't followed this very closely, but the way I heard it was that the issue was not that the guy was flying a St George X, but was something to do with the politician's comment about it.

The weirdest (or possibly saddest) thing about it is that, as far as I could tell, she didn't actually make a 'comment' on it.  She just posted the photo, said 'This is Rochester' and left it, but the implication was crystal-clear.

My understanding is that unfortunately the English flag has been used by many extreme groups to symbolize exclusion and hatred of other groups

It's easy to blame the extremists for tainting the flag by association, but they didn't do it alone.  The other half of the equation had to be ordinary, reasonable English people just giving up and developing some kind of bone-deep cringe about
any sense or expression English cultural pride, in favour of being 'British.'

Which would be fair enough-- people can choose to identify themselves however they like, and if they'd rather be British than English, good for them.  But the problem is that what they've actually done is to turn 'British' into 'English-for-people-who-wouldn't-be caught-dead-near-a-maypole.'  British IS English, not just for foreigners, who could be forgiven for thinking nothing exists outside of London, but for 'Brits' who never consider, for even a moment, that their English culture and experiences are only one part of what 'British' is supposed to mean.  They get anywhere from mildly puzzled to rabidly offended if a Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish person says that s/he doesn't feel 'British,' and can't understand what they're so worked up about (they obviously just hate the English).

I'm sure it's not done on purpose.  But there's an incredible arrogance in it-- the arrogance of unexamined, unnoticed privilege-- that gets really old, really quickly, to everyone else.  So, I think everyone would be a lot happier, and the country would run a lot more smoothly, if people in England made a decision to 're-claim' Englishness from wing-nuts, instead of making 'British,' de facto 'English.'


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Re: Flag of England
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2014, 01:12:47 PM »
Our own Hadley Freeman* weighs in:

"Twenty-five years I’ve lived in this country and yet I am still at a loss to explain how a text-less photo of a house led to an MP being sacked."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/26/britain-stop-obsession-social-class

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