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Hungary - Refugees
« on: September 09, 2015, 07:28:43 AM »
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Re: Hungary - Refugees
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 11:22:32 AM »
It was cruel what Merkel did, to tell them to arrive and then shut the borders. Back to calling her Hitler again, the same as  she was called over her treatment of Greece.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=79652468#post79652468



It doesn't look like other western countries want to do much either.

"the president has decided to raise the number of Syrian refugees admitted to at least 10,000 in the fiscal year beginning in October from fewer than 2,000 this year."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/world/middleeast/obama-directs-administration-to-accept-10000-syrian-refugees.html?_r=0


Schengens open borders in tatters.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7a8db16c-5bba-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#ft-article-comments

Not surprisingly some EEA countries, incuding Germany, now saying it could be the end of Free Movement. That they want back to what the EU did before, just free trade within the EU but each country deciding who they will let in.

It's amazing how many new laws are getting passed in EEA countries.


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Re: Hungary - Refugees
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 11:56:20 AM »
You know the thing with this situation....it is being approached by everyone differently than I would do it. The argument leapt straight to housing/settlement.

I see, first of all, running atop everything, serious, long-term issues continuing in North Africa and the Middle East. And maybe atop that the fact that people move about more all around the globe. These are long-term issues.

Cameron says we are doing something....gathering intel. I'll give him that. It certainly needs to be done.

But to me, I see first and foremost regarding the actual refugees, very concrete problems. Are they getting enough water and food? Is there some way to up patrols along coasts to stop the baby bodies washing up? I mean is there some way to distribute life jackets or anything?

How long is it before some sort of communicable disease breaks out? What about when winter gets here?

Will these camps turn into death camps? Will a country open fire on a column of refugees?

These are not easy things to solve, but we can handle this sort of thing, we have done it before. Food, shelter, clothing, medicine....child-sized flotation devises and rescue boats.

Get the people onto land and dry, with 2000 calories a day, basic shelter, inoculations, portable toilets, etc. Screen them for evil-doers. Old style relief done at multinational level. We know how to do this.

Make sure they are temporary, that they aren't concentration camps.

Then the hard part comes. But questions about eventual settlement shouldn't stop these basics from being addressed first.

« Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 11:57:57 AM by sonofasailor »
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Re: Hungary - Refugees
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2015, 12:01:24 PM »
Back to calling her Hitler again, the same as  she was called over her treatment of Greece.

Well she did give it to them pretty good....

Oh, and quit tempting me with digital spy.... I can't handle any more forums...
« Last Edit: September 16, 2015, 12:06:23 PM by sonofasailor »
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Re: Hungary - Refugees
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2015, 12:09:47 PM »

Then the hard part comes. But questions about eventual settlement shouldn't stop these basics from being addressed first.

Why do you think Obama only took less that 2,000 Syrian refugees last year and will only take 10k this year?


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Re: Hungary - Refugees
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2015, 01:05:37 PM »
Why do you think Obama only took less that 2,000 Syrian refugees last year and will only take 10k this year?

Listen don't preach to me about US policy....our treatment of Hatian refugees is pretty deplorable.

The thing with Germany though, and stuff is changing by the day, it is my understanding that they have indeed taken in a large amount of people, but they are processing them as asylum seekers. I think they have said all along that there was no open door policy, that those who were not meeting the legal criteria were to be returned. I read that some where a couple of days ago though so......

But regarding something like say antibiotic resistant TB, you can sit it down and talk to it sternly about politics and coming referendum and all that sort of stuff, and it doesn't give a hoot. Cholera is higher on the food chain than we are.
I just hope that more people will ignore the fatalism of the argument that we are beyond repair. We are not beyond repair. We are never beyond repair. - AOC


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