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Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« on: July 07, 2016, 09:42:18 PM »
In a week or two I will need to make my first ever payment to the IRS. I am currently having a firm in New York prepare my tax returns under the streamlined procedure and I know I owe some money.

Since the EU referendum the pound has weakened and it's becoming more and more expensive to buy dollars as time goes on. I live in the UK and have no US bank accounts.

What is the most cost effective way to the pay the IRS?

Will they accept a wire transfer from a service like TransferWise? That is is the method I am paying my accountants with. It's good because it's a lot cheaper than my credit card, but transfers take two or three days to go through.


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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2016, 03:43:06 PM »
Hi there, I'm going to warn you now that making a payment and having it go thru to the IRS is not always easy. We had a sizable payment to make this year and after several failed transfers I can say that your best bet is to make a late afternoon appointment with your bank and have them set up the transfer while you have the IRS on the phone.  I'm not sure how accommodating Transferwise will be because the IRS fields are unique, it's not like a simple bank to bank transfer. The IRS need to apply the payment to your account and they have fields that are only unique to them and a couple of the fields that are set up in the transfer aren't very intuitive.  We both work in the EFT (Electronic funds transfer) industry and had a difficult time sorting it all.  We also had to call the IRS a few times to get someone on the line who was willing to walk through the set up with us.  Do not be afraid to call them back if you get someone on the other end that isn't interested in helping.

IRS funds transfer contact: +1 3144251810

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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2016, 05:31:58 PM »
It is unusual for most individuals entering streamlined to owe US taxes. You may want the returns reviewed by someone onshore in the UK who is dually qualified in the UK and the US, to ensure that you are taking the optimum positions.

The IRS streamlined procedures require that payment is enclosed with the returns.


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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 06:30:46 PM »
It is unusual for most individuals entering streamlined to owe US taxes. You may want the returns reviewed by someone onshore in the UK who is dually qualified in the UK and the US, to ensure that you are taking the optimum positions.

The IRS streamlined procedures require that payment is enclosed with the returns.

I have a PFIC situation which is why I've ended up owing some money. My accountant hasn't finished all the years yet, but what I've seen so far isn't as bad as I initially feared so I believe he is taking the best approach.

I understand the tax returns have to be sent in paper form by mail. But is that definitely the case that the payment has to be by cheque? If so then I guess it answers my question and I'll have to shop around for the cheapest option.

The payments page on the IRS website mentions other possibilities including credit card and wire transfers. Are none of these applicable to streamlined filing?



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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2016, 07:02:24 PM »
I believe you can pay by credit card for ~2% fee.  No sure if they will allow a card with an overseas address but worth a try.

https://www.irs.gov/uac/pay-taxes-by-credit-or-debit-card

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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2016, 07:24:11 PM »
I have a PFIC situation which is why I've ended up owing some money. My accountant hasn't finished all the years yet, but what I've seen so far isn't as bad as I initially feared so I believe he is taking the best approach.

I understand the tax returns have to be sent in paper form by mail. But is that definitely the case that the payment has to be by cheque? If so then I guess it answers my question and I'll have to shop around for the cheapest option.

The payments page on the IRS website mentions other possibilities including credit card and wire transfers. Are none of these applicable to streamlined filing?

As you have an accountant preparing the returns (hopefully also here in the UK) have you asked him? If you are using an attorney to advise you on disclosure to the IRS (in addition to the accountant preparing the returns) this could also be a question for the attorney, as your question revolves partly about interpretation of specific words published by the IRS.


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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2016, 12:29:51 PM »
As you have an accountant preparing the returns (hopefully also here in the UK) have you asked him? If you are using an attorney to advise you on disclosure to the IRS (in addition to the accountant preparing the returns) this could also be a question for the attorney, as your question revolves partly about interpretation of specific words published by the IRS.

My accountant is in the US as I found their charges were much cheaper than I was quoted in UK even despite a weakening pound. I don't have an attorney but that seems to be relating to a separate issue.

They've told me I can pay by credit card or wire transfer but said wire transfer was not convenient and costly. From reading the IRS website that seems to be because they require a same-day transfer which will rule out TransferWise (the cheapest rate). So it would have to be through the bank. Reading the instructions, it sounds complicated.

I think money order or credit card are the easier options so I just need to weigh up the costs.


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Re: Best method for paying IRS from abroad?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2016, 05:54:41 PM »
My accountant is in the US as I found their charges were much cheaper than I was quoted in UK even despite a weakening pound. I don't have an attorney but that seems to be relating to a separate issue.

They've told me I can pay by credit card or wire transfer but said wire transfer was not convenient and costly. From reading the IRS website that seems to be because they require a same-day transfer which will rule out TransferWise (the cheapest rate). So it would have to be through the bank. Reading the instructions, it sounds complicated.

I think money order or credit card are the easier options so I just need to weigh up the costs.

In terms of selecting an adviser, as there are no legal requirements to have passed any exams before offering tax advice, the IRS offers a very helpful Directory which lists the only individuals who are qualified to advise on US tax matters; and which can be found here:
http://irs.treasury.gov/rpo/rpo.jsf. I would always recommend that someone in this situation only selects an adviser from those who are qualified to advise on US tax matters and whose names are therefore published by the IRS. The IRS list is an excellent tool that is designed to help check if any adviser or proposed adviser has any tax credentials within the United States.

Most UK based individuals will naturally also want to check that any proposed tax adviser is qualified with at least one professional accounting or tax institution in the UK as well as in the United States so that they know that the adviser is also adequately regulated in the UK.  Indeed, more broadly, for most UK based individuals there are often considerable advantages in having a UK based adviser who can jointly advise on both US and UK tax issues and handle both sets of tax returns in the UK.

These include:
1.   The client and the adviser being located in the same time zone.
2.   Client documents and workpapers being held outside of the United States; which many people perceive as providing additional protection in the event of IRS investigations.
3.   Advisers outside of the European Union are unable to offer the protections to clients provided by the UKs Proceeds of Crime Act, which requires all UK tax professionals to be regulated and supervised for anti-money laundering protection purposes.  Here in the UK it is a criminal offence to offer tax advice unless the adviser is supervised. Quite unlike within the UK, there is no requirement for mandatory regulation of tax advisers in most of the United States. 
5.   The fact that although there are roughly one million paid tax professionals within the United States, that there are naturally only very few amongst these who understand enough about the US reporting of foreign based taxpayers.
4.   The ability in the unlikely event that things ever go wrong to get issues addressed through a supervisory body that is closer to the client than an adviser located several thousand miles away.

An attorney would be able to assist with questions of non-wilfulness, as well as interpreting the meaning of the IRS streamlined procedures if your adviser is unfamiliar with these.


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