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Proper american BBQ?
« on: January 16, 2017, 12:06:46 AM »
Hey there! I was recently watching a video about american BBQ (if you're on reddit you probably saw it, about north koreans eating it for the first time) and realised I now have a strong urge to try proper american BBQ. Obviously, this isn't Texas, so it probably won't be as good as it would be over in the USA, but do you guys have some solid recommendations for real BBQ restaurants in London to check out? I'm not talking "american style" or whatever, I mean the real deal, properly smoked and prepared and with all the different sorts of meat (pulled, brisket, shoulder etc).

Obviously, I could google and find stuff, but if you guys who I'm hoping have an idea of what this really should be about could give me some recommendations, that'd be awesome!

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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 03:59:46 PM »
Sadly, I don't know any in London but if you're ever in the North West or North Wales, I love, love, love Hickory's American Smokehouse! Their fried pickles are the best. I had half a rack of ribs last time we went and it was lovely falling off the bone and all. Surely London has something similar?

Jimbocz might know?


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Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 04:07:03 PM »
I love Mexican far more than BBQ , so I thought I'd give an expert a chance.   I can't really do better than Google for most places. 

I've eaten at Bodean's, I think they are a classic with several restaurants around London.
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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 05:40:41 AM »
Well, the question itself is problematic.  There is no one "American" BBQ. It's regional, and can be very different between regions in the USA.  St. Louis BBQ is very different from Memphis BBQ or Carolina or Kansas City BBQ....

Take Texas, for example. You have your East Texas BBQ, which is very much like Southern BBQ (I seem to remember a sauce that was sweet), you have your Central Texas BBQ, which is heavily into smoke - you don't slather it in sauce to cook it, you smoke your beef brisket or ham for a couple of days, typically on Mesquite or Oak wood (or both). You will have a sauce to go with it, but that's added afters. There's South Texas BBQ, which, to me, has a heavy Mexican/border inflection.

Then there's West Texas BBQ. If you draw a line following the line on the East side of the panhandle down through the state, west of the line is West Texas.  In the southern part you'll get Mesquite-smoked BBQ (again, cooked separately from the sauce) because Mesquite grows like weeds out there - literally. It's everywhere, and no other trees really grow out in that part of the state, and the Mesquite only gets to large bush stage (lack of water) usually.  The beef will have smoke color in a good 1/4th to 1/2 inch, and the crispy bits on the outside... are to die for. Go farther north, through Lubbock and you start running into a slightly different set of spices, but still smoked with sauce on the side.

I don't know if they sell it in the UK, but if so... when I was younger and was in Lubbock for a while, Mr. Stubb (short for a longer name) had a little hole-in-the-wall place in East Lubbock that was the best in town.  He long ago retired, but I recently saw that he sold his recipe and you can now get "Stubbs BBQ Sauce" in the grocers. With his picture on it and all. (I hope he made mint on that deal!) I'm going to have to try it to see how close it is to the original.  Lubbock back then was segregated, so nipping over to the BBQ joint meant crossing into the wrong side of the tracks. Mr. Stubb was always so nice, and I always seemed to have more on my plate than other people did - I guess it was because I was poor and skinny in those days and he hated to see anyone go without. (Bless his soul.)

My experiences with Amarillo BBQ have been that it's been influenced by elsewhere - the few times I had it, it had been served ~in~ a sauce. (Sadly, not a particularly good one.)  Out in far West Texas, by El Paso, and you again see the Mesquite, but it's just a bit different. Probably again due to the Mexican influence. (Not at all bad, but just a bit different.)

I have to say, the best BBQ I ever ate was from the Dairy Mart in Hillsboro (probably not there any longer, it's been several decades) in the Texas Hill Country. They had a big smoker out back and that thing was going night-and-day.  Back before cars had air conditioning we could follow the scent in as we came in from West Texas with the windows down, like bombers following in a radio beam.   ;)

In all cases, served with a side of red beans and either slaw or potato salad. (Usually slaw.) And either Wonderbread or a white-flour roll. OH, heck. It's now late at night and I'm jonesing for some BBQ. There are very few places in San Diego (where I am now) that do a good BBQ. The one I'm thinking of is about 15 miles a way, uses Oak, but it's pretty darned good. And closed. (WAHHHHH!) :\\\'(

In any event, when someone tells you they're serving "American" BBQ, be sure to ask which one - or from which part of the country. If they look back at you blankly, it ain't "real" BBQ.

http://www.eater.com/2016/6/16/11889444/where-to-eat-barbecue-styles has an interesting take on it.
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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 09:17:22 AM »
Well I guess I deserved that for not specifying! To be honest, id love to experience BBQ from any of the big places - Memphis, Texas, St. Louis, carolina..just as long as it's actually the real deal and not some "-style" knock off. I'd be looking for a restaurant in London, as I can't really cook, so although your sauce stories were interesting (!), that's not much use to me I'm afraid :( I'll look up the dairy Mart on the off chance it's still there - do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks!


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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2017, 10:40:12 AM »
Dude, it's not gonna be the real deal, we are in England!  You might find a bear that can dance, but it's not going to dance well.

By all means, go and enjoy yourself, but don't fret about authenticity. 


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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2017, 04:59:34 PM »
Unless you happen to find a transplanted Texan or otherwise, your chances are probably dim. But if you happen to find one, please be sure to post it here? ;D


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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2017, 05:07:42 PM »
Unless you happen to find a transplanted Texan or otherwise, your chances are probably dim. But if you happen to find one, please be sure to post it here? ;D

We have quite a few Texans down here (Wokingham).  I often host meetups at my house - easy - I get the leftovers!   ;D


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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2017, 06:37:52 PM »
We know a Kansas girl who lives in Leeds, and recommends a place called Red's.

http://truebarbecue.com/leeds/



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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2017, 07:39:18 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, there's a place in London called Texas Joe's, run by some dude from Dallas who was on Dragon's Den a while back peddling his beef jerky (which is delicious). While I have every intention of eventually making a pilgrimage to his restaurant, I haven't yet, so I can't vouch for it in any way.  That said, his menu is probably the most authentic one I've seen and supposedly he's got Lone Star beer... that's Texan enough for me.

ETA: Stubb's BBQ sauce is available here. I've seen it in Waitrose and Home Sense. It's also sold in Costco, but you have to be prepared to buy a gallon of the stuff.

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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2017, 01:57:10 AM »
Heyjay, cool. I bought a bottle here on the way home from work and will have to give it a try. Never can tell, once a major corporation gets ahold of things, how "authentic" they keep it.  But if they have, I'll be a happy camper, for sure!  Thanks for letting me know.


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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2017, 05:56:34 PM »
Heyjay, cool. I bought a bottle here on the way home from work and will have to give it a try. Never can tell, once a major corporation gets ahold of things, how "authentic" they keep it.  But if they have, I'll be a happy camper, for sure!  Thanks for letting me know.
Awesome! I'm glad I helped, and I hope it meets your expectations. :)

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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2017, 05:16:01 PM »
If I'm not mistaken, there's a place in London called Texas Joe's, run by some dude from Dallas who was on Dragon's Den a while back peddling his beef jerky (which is delicious). While I have every intention of eventually making a pilgrimage to his restaurant, I haven't yet, so I can't vouch for it in any way.  That said, his menu is probably the most authentic one I've seen and supposedly he's got Lone Star beer... that's Texan enough for me.

ETA: Stubb's BBQ sauce is available here. I've seen it in Waitrose and Home Sense. It's also sold in Costco, but you have to be prepared to buy a gallon of the stuff.

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Texas Joe's is good. I know Joe, he's a good guy and does a good BBQ and it's the real deal. Definitely worth checking out.

There is also a guy from Kansas that does Kansas style BBQ food truck called Prairie Fire BBQ. Excellent food. He is just a good stand though so you might have to search around to find him. He does a bottled sauce that is my favourite and can be bought in some butcher shops. http://www.prairiefirebbq.com/phone/index.html [nofollow]



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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2017, 02:56:58 PM »
We know a Kansas girl who lives in Leeds, and recommends a place called Red's.

http://truebarbecue.com/leeds/

I tried that place last week and was underwhelmed... :(


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Re: Proper american BBQ?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2017, 04:17:23 PM »
Texas Joe's is good. I know Joe, he's a good guy and does a good BBQ and it's the real deal. Definitely worth checking out.

There is also a guy from Kansas that does Kansas style BBQ food truck called Prairie Fire BBQ. Excellent food. He is just a good stand though so you might have to search around to find him. He does a bottled sauce that is my favourite and can be bought in some butcher shops. http://www.prairiefirebbq.com/phone/index.html
I'm from Houston and serious about BBQ. We tried texas joes a few weeks back when I was last over. It was decent.

Talked to the lady running it. Apparently they're importing briskets to get the right fat content. Using an aged English oak trying to get close the the flavor profile of mesquite (not that close).

There are a million BBQ places around Texas. Very few bad ones cause they can't last against the competition. So the average is a very high standard and only a very few places stand out above that. I thought Texas joe's was a bit below that average standard I'm used to, but close enough to get my fix when away from the good stuff for a long time. I would recommend it, but know that you'll get better stuff in Texas when you're able to make that trip.


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