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Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« on: December 08, 2017, 05:03:58 AM »
I'm so glad to have found this community, as I've seen some valuable insights shared by members on several boards here. You guys rock! I'm hoping to benefit from your experiences, especially those of you who've had to restart your careers in the UK... I'm wondering if there are any other engineers here, chartered or otherwise that might be able to share feedback about their job hunts or careers in the UK? I'd also welcome any relevant generalized advice about this process or the job market in the UK. I'd love to hear how it all worked out for you... Did it take months for you to find a position or did you have something lined up before moving? Is the cost of living really that much lower that you could reconcile the (perhaps) much lower salaries in the UK  ???

I'm an American civil engineer with about 9 years of expereince, licensed as a PE in several states and registered internationally as an IntPE. I've worked through the CEng registration process with one of the Engineering Council's institutions (IHE) and have my professional review interview scheduled for 4 Jan 2018... Fingers crossed!

We're awaiting a decision on my visa at the moment, but I haven't let that deter me from starting my job hunt early. I had my first Skype interview this week and found out I was runner up for the position, beat out by an internal candidate (big surprise). Apart from this interview, I've been striking out thus far. I'm thinking it's likely because (a) I don't yet have an approved visa in-hand,  (b) I don't yet have UK qualifications and (c) I have no UK experience... I'm working on resolving (a) and (b) but (c) is going to be a challenge until I can get my foot in the door somewhere.

I've written a decent UK CV and gotten positive feedback from recruiters but thus far have been either rejected or ignored by just about every company I've applied to. I may just have to pause for now and start afresh once I actually have the right to work and have transferred my qualifications. When I began, I didn't think either of these would be a huge issue, as companies sometimes sponsor employees and all the  job postings I've pursued seem to list these qualifications as being optional.

I'm very excited about this move as we get ready to start the next chapter in our lives together. At the same time, I'm terrified about leaving a great job and career outlook in the US only to move to the UK and find that I have no prospects... My partner is a UKC and has a great faculty position lined-up at the University of Leeds, but that translates into just over a quarter of our current income. I know many of you have had to make this leap of faith to be with the person you love. What might you have done differently with the benefit of hindsight?
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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2017, 08:21:46 AM »
My husband is an engineer.  The biggest transition will be the perception of being an engineer around you.  The cable guy here calls himself an engineer.   ::)  Engineering is not the respected profession here as it is in the US and that can be hard to get your head around.  WE know how smart you are, but a lot of the people around you won't realise how specialised and technical your job is.  Unfortunately the pay reflects this.

Yes, getting that first UK job may be a challenge.  Just keep being persistent.  I would pause until you have the right to work as right now, that may cause your CV to just be binned straight away.

Things don't move as fast in the UK.  It'll likely take some time to secure a position, even if the company is moving fast.  Try not to let it get you down.  You are moving at a good time.  Most companies will be starting their new fiscal year.  Once budgets and plans are finalised in February or March HOPEFULLY recruiting will pick up.  Unfortunately with Brexit looming a lot of companies are holding off on recruiting at the moment.

I see the biggest strike against you being that you studied at the University of Florida.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Kidding!  Kind of...   ;)


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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2017, 08:57:29 AM »
Hi, I'm an engineer  ;D  -  My background is in Plastics Engineering and Biomedical Engineering and I am a Chartered Engineer with the IMechE.   

I don't have any advice really on the job front, I moved here 10 years ago on a work permit and whilst I've changed jobs within my company, I've not actually had to job hunt whilst in the U.K.  (My company is up for sale, so I may soon be watching this thread with great interest!)

Being Chartered will help immensely I think ,because that is internationally recognised as a benchmark that you've attained high levels of qualifications, skills, experience, cpd, etc, and that becomes something that employers can then use to 'understand' your USA qualifications.  Also, you will be able to leverage the IHE , as many times the institutes put on events for CPD, networking, etc. 

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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2017, 12:29:21 PM »
My husband is an engineer.  The biggest transition will be the perception of being an engineer around you.  The cable guy here calls himself an engineer.   ::)  Engineering is not the respected profession here as it is in the US and that can be hard to get your head around. 
LOL yeah, my partner told me about this and we looked up the whole 'protected title,' issue... I don't mind this at all - just another interesting quirk...

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Yes, getting that first UK job may be a challenge.  Just keep being persistent.  I would pause until you have the right to work as right now, that may cause your CV to just be binned straight away.

My thoughts exactly... I'll leave it with the recruiter for the time being.

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Things don't move as fast in the UK.  It'll likely take some time to secure a position, even if the company is moving fast.  Try not to let it get you down.  You are moving at a good time.  Most companies will be starting their new fiscal year.  Once budgets and plans are finalised in February or March HOPEFULLY recruiting will pick up.  Unfortunately with Brexit looming a lot of companies are holding off on recruiting at the moment.

I very much appreciate this advice! I'm also worried about Brexit but to put a positive spin on it... Less potential competition!

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I see the biggest strike against you being that you studied at the University of Florida.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Kidding!  Kind of...   ;)

LOL did you go to Florida State??
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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 02:26:34 PM »
Hi, I'm an engineer  ;D  -  My background is in Plastics Engineering and Biomedical Engineering and I am a Chartered Engineer with the IMechE.

Awesome! Your previous posts from 2009-2012 were the only other posts I saw about CEng on the forum. Thanks for sharing your experiences! I know there's at least one other engineer on here @Groover and probably lots of spouses.

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I don't have any advice really on the job front, I moved here 10 years ago on a work permit and whilst I've changed jobs within my company, I've not actually had to job hunt whilst in the U.K.  (My company is up for sale, so I may soon be watching this thread with great interest!)

Lucky that you were able to transfer! Makes me wonder if I'd be better off if I'd worked for one of the large multinational firms. With 10 years of experience under your belt in the UK and your CEng, I'm sure you'll be fine!

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Being Chartered will help immensely I think ,because that is internationally recognised as a benchmark that you've attained high levels of qualifications, skills, experience, cpd, etc, and that becomes something that employers can then use to 'understand' your USA qualifications.  Also, you will be able to leverage the IHE , as many times the institutes put on events for CPD, networking, etc.

I thought the same thing... It's why I applied for international registration. It was hard to wrap my head around how licensing is handled in the UK at first because it's so totally different. Fortunately, the Washington Accord and EMF have made it much easier than if I'd had to apply for CEng status from scratch.

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Good luck.

Thanks phatbeetle! Looks like I'll need it! That and persistence  ;D
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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2017, 03:11:45 PM »

LOL did you go to Florida State??

No, my undergrad is from UCF.  Gators and Noles have WAY too much school spirit.   ;)


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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2017, 03:15:10 PM »
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My thoughts exactly... I'll leave it with the recruiter for the time being.

Are you using a specific recruiter (either for international talent or for engineering)?


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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2017, 05:17:05 PM »
No, my undergrad is from UCF.  Gators and Noles have WAY too much school spirit.   ;)

Oh cool, small world! I grew up in Orlando - my sister, cousin and lots of my HS friends went to UCF. It's grown so much these past few years. Go knights!
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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2017, 08:52:44 PM »
Are you using a specific recruiter (either for international talent or for engineering)?

I tried a few specialty engineering recruitment firms and found one that I decided to work with - MatchTech. I'm head-hunted by recruiters quite often on LinkedIn here in the states but I've never actually worked with one since I've built a strong local network over the years. Alas, no one in my network knows anything about civil engineering in the UK!
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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2017, 10:35:13 PM »
I don't know anything about civil engineering and I kind of live in a bubble disconnected from the UK job market, so I can't help you with that.

My approach has always been the following once hired for a company: say 'yes' to as many opportunities as possible, learn new skills (for the new opportunities or look for areas the company might need in the future and learn on my own time), get your fingers in lots of pies, become indispensable. I've never worked for a company with more than 13 employees however.


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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 11:45:03 PM »
Hi,

My background is also Engineering - Electronic & Electrical. I however, went into I.T and the Financial sector and haven't really used my Engineering background much. More recently though, I have as I've moved myself over to niche automotive manufacturing and some of the technical aspects have been much easier to understand and grasp.

From what you've mentioned, I'd say look to other countries if you are wishing to leave the US. For the most part, the 'Cost of Living' is high, the 'Salary levels' are significantly lower than compared to the US, the 'Standard of Living' is lower too. You've mentioned that your other half would earn the equivalent of a quarter of your combined income currently, so worst case scenario if you weren't able to secure a position within the Civil Engineering sector, how long could you both survive on your current level of 'standard of living'? in that scenario, I'm sure you'd take any job outside your Engineering background  to help with your combined income levels, where consideration to the salary level will be an important factor.

As already mentioned, the UK is currently embroiled in the mess that is Brexit. All the 'leave' campaign are saying that 'We welcome and will want highly experienced and knowledgeable specialists in medicine, engineering, entreprenuers, businesses' etc to come to the UK but certainly for the forseeable few years it's looking like it's a very 'uncertain' place to be given the potential things could deteriorate quite quickly. This all means people's jobs and businesses will be under threat and confidence and stress levels will reduce and increase respectively. Many companies are on hiring freezes, company benefits are being cut/reduced etc. Hiring a foreign specialist costs a company a substantial amount which of course cuts into company profits and operating expenditure. Also, there's perhaps a significant pool of Civil Engineers within the UK workforce so they'll always get looked at first over a foreign candidate.

The above is all 'higher' level views and reports of things in the UK. I don't know your personal situation or circumstances, however my overall advice would be for you to look to other countries where opportunities in Civil Engineering/Infrastructure planning and construction are greater than here in the UK. The middle and far East would be areas to look at, perhaps some European countries then as far as Japan, possibly Australia (I say possibly as I've not looked much into their current economy and infrastructure projects)

If you have a specific reason(s) that it *must* be the UK, then I fully understand that and would echo what's been previously said. It may well take you time to get a foot in the door, a far higher chance that the level of pay at that time and into the future will be significantly less than what you'd earn remaining in the US or going to other countries. If that's the case then to help you evaluate now, then as a couple, have open and frank discussions into what you'd both like to have/achieve here and what you may well have to cut out of your current lifestyles to best make it happen.

I know the above sounds gloomy and there'll be others who'll perhaps shout me down there, which is fair enough.

In other similar threads, I've mentioned the same and also, given that my background is Indian, I have a very.. very large extended family and all their friends too and quite a lot of contacts in various sectors of jobs and businesses. I will ask one who has his own Construction sector specific recruitment agency about how many roles he's currently got which might suit you - are you looking to go into Consultative or Contracting Civil Engineering? I'll ask him about current trends he sees in this sector too. He's based in Central London though so not sure how that will suit you if you wish to be in Leeds! There are many construction projects happening around London and  the South East as well as other areas of the UK for sure, I'm just not so convinced there's 'enough' as it were looking longer term in the future aside from everything seemingly being blocks of flats everywhere with a some commercial property developments thrown in!

Hope this helps a bit!

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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 01:56:58 AM »
Thanks Dennis! I appreciate your insights and perspective, though admittedly gloomy.

I'm not specifically looking at trying to leave the US... I'm happy here and expect that we may eventually return. Going to another country would defeat the purpose. My partner is in academia, in a niche field and we are undertaking this move thinking my career is more portable. No doubt we'll be taking a financial hit in the short term but money's not everything - just as long as we're comfortable.

I'm primarily looking at design consultancies but will also be looking at civil service opportunities. For now I'll keep looking and I may stay behind for a few months after picking up my BRP.  I tend to agree with others that having the right to work and British qualifications sorted should get me more attention. At least I hope it will!

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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 02:08:14 AM »
I don't know anything about civil engineering and I kind of live in a bubble disconnected from the UK job market, so I can't help you with that.

My approach has always been the following once hired for a company: say 'yes' to as many opportunities as possible, learn new skills (for the new opportunities or look for areas the company might need in the future and learn on my own time), get your fingers in lots of pies, become indispensable. I've never worked for a company with more than 13 employees however.

Thanks Groover! That's good advice and certainly been my policy over my career to-date. Also, thanks for sharing your thoughts elsewhere about the CEng review being relatively informal! I actually found the IET's prep videos quite helpful - too bad the IHE doesn't have any such guidance. Having a PE is crucial here, so I'm hopeful that the CEng will likewise make a big difference in the UK.
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Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 05:57:07 AM »
I don't know your personal situation or circumstances, however my overall advice would be for you to look to other countries where opportunities in Civil Engineering/Infrastructure planning and construction are greater than here in the UK. The middle and far East would be areas to look at, perhaps some European countries then as far as Japan, possibly Australia (I say possibly as I've not looked much into their current economy and infrastructure projects)

If you have a specific reason(s) that it *must* be the UK, then I fully understand that and would echo what's been previously said.

Dennis - the OP’s partner is a UK citizen and they have already applied for a settlement visa for the UK (and are waiting for a decision), based on their partner’s job offer at the University of Leeds... so moving to a different country is not exactly an option right now. It’s more a case of looking into what opportunities there will be for jobs in engineering in the Leeds area after they have moved.



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Re: Any job hunting or career advice for an engineer?
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