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Village life ?
« on: December 08, 2004, 08:10:39 PM »
We're relocating to London in the spring.  My wife wants a big garden (1 acre) and I need to be able to commute into London 1-2X a week, also need good schools for the 3 kids. I'm intrigued by "village life" perhaps somewhere between Guildford and Maidstone (I'm doing  lot of on-line research, and would love to hear recommendations). I can see benefits from being in more of a community. While I think we are and appear very mainstream, we live in Berkeley, CA. We really enjoy living in a non-conformist city that values education, diversity and a unique community. We're freindly and outgoing and will be doing our part to meet and get to know people...

My question/concern is wether there is a typical reaction to newcomers... Do these tend to be isolationist places where outsiders would be greeted sceptically or are they more welcoming? I don't want to get trapped in the English version of a redneck arch-conservative parocialism.

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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 06:29:27 AM »
Hi oskibear. I'm no expert, but I think you'll find that culturally, English people are much more reserved than Americans, and will be appear to be less friendly and outgoing toward people they don't know, especially outsiders. That's in general, of course, but I assume that's even more the case in small villages. If by any chance you do find you have a hard time integrating, you shouldn't take it personally or assume you've landed in a "redneck" village. You have to remember that you're a foreigner in a different country with a different culture, and you can't assume that you'll just blend in with the crowd right away. It takes time.


I don't want to get trapped in the English version of a redneck arch-conservative parocialism.

Just a friendly word of advice, too -- You're going to have to be a little bit more open-minded than that about people if you're going to be moving to a different country! 
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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2004, 07:18:22 AM »
My question/concern is wether there is a typical reaction to newcomers... Do these tend to be isolationist places where outsiders would be greeted sceptically or are they more welcoming? I don't want to get trapped in the English version of a redneck arch-conservative parocialism.


A village between Guildford and Maidstone is going to have a lot of London commuters, not red necks.  There will be lots of people "not from there", and they will be used to working with a diverse group of people.  I don't see a particular problem, especially if you get involved in village life.


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2004, 08:18:18 AM »
Just another thing to consider. A one acre property within commuting distance of London will be very expensive.


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2004, 09:09:03 AM »
If such a thing even exists!


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2004, 09:36:42 AM »
The area between Guildford and Maidstone is particularly beautiful and there are some wonderful villages and towns.  I lived in London for ten years and we spent a couple of perfect family holidays in nearby East Sussex and many happy weekend trips walking in the Kent/Surrey hills.

As for living there and getting to know people, like the previous contributor said, you certainly wouldn't be the only 'people from elsewhere' as these villages are popular with commuters, most of whom are fairly high powered, seriously wealthy people - and dare I say it, perhaps a little on the 'conservative' side??  I hail from the north of England and I have always found people in the south of England to be more reserved (maybe that's a topic for another strand??), but I'm sure you'll enjoy living in that part of the world and you will get to know people (it just may take time!).

Just treat the whole thing as a big adventure, full of 'cultural experiences' (good and bad!) and you should have a great time!

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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2004, 02:27:52 PM »
Village Life - a topic close to my heart, as I lived in a small one in south Warwickshire for eight years.

It's hard to generalize about "village life" as with many things, they vary tremendously depending upon size, location, etc. and I'm not familiar with the Maidstone area...

Since you have kids and school is important to you, try to get information on whether there is a school in the village you want to live in, and if it is a good one.  If you search the threads here, there are links about how to research this.  A good school is an important factor in the fabric of village life (as well as the pub... more on that)

Small villages often don't have a lot of amenities and as a result, you have to hop into to the car and drive everywhere.  A larger village that has a good pub, post office, store, village hall, school etc. will likely have more going on socially.

People will view you initially with curiousity.  Villages are by nature tightly knit communities and as a foreigner, that adds to it.  People are more reserved, but it doesn't mean that they're unsociable.  It can just takes a while to get to know people.

In our area, some villagers were resentful towards outsiders coming in and buying into "their" villages.  These people grew up locally as did their family many generations before them.  With the property price boom it has meant that many locals cannot afford to buy in the village they grew up in and love.  It's not personal and once people get to know you, that feeling dissipates.

Gossip can be rampant.  That's probably one of the things that bothered me the most, how people think they have a "right" to your business.  But that was me; I came from a large city and you quickly get to know who NOT to tell things to.

We had many good friends.  I took up horse riding.  A friend of mine had a paddock in the village with two horses, and another friend kept her horse there.  I was beyond fortunate to have access to a great horse that I could ride pretty much whenever I wanted to.  Because my friend was local and her husband's occupation was in agriculture, we got to know lots of the local farmers.  We also became good friends with our neighbors, the guy grew up in our village and we bought our house from his parents....  these things all took time, but I think making good friends with the locals helped a lot.

One of the greatest assets, in my opinion, are Britain's footpaths and bridleways, rights of way that ramble through the entire country.  Live in the countryside and they're right on your doorstep.

On the flip side, there were times when I felt isolated.  Our village was small and there were times that I wish more was available.

The Pub:  a good one is essential to village life.  When looking at houses, stop in your local and get a feel for it.  When it comes time to selling up, you'd be surprised at how many people ask what the pub is like.  It comes higher on the list of priorities than say, double glazing....

The pub will be a great way to get to know the locals, too.  As in our small village, it was the only amenity (apart from the post office which was open on Tuesday mornings, from 9:00 - 1:00 pm)

People will view you with curiosity and you'll be "The American" and people that you don't know and have never met, will know that you're there.   Many years ago, late one evening we had a knock at the door.  It was the barman from the pub of a neighboring village.  Earlier that evening, there were some Americans in their pub and they skipped out without paying up their tab.  So, they came around to our house, wondering if we had visitors or knew anything about it...

As with lots of things in life, villages have good points and bad points.  But it's what you make of it.  Our village had people that I absolutely love and miss, people who were characters and people who were really irritating; that's just the way it is. 

These are just some things off of the top of my head that I hope can give you some insight.  I need to run off now, but feel free to ask more questions...

And welcome to UKY.




note:  edited for a few obvious typos...
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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2004, 01:29:26 PM »
If such a thing even exists!

LMAO!  I can't quite envision it either.  Even a £1.8 m home in our village has nothing close to such a garden size.


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2004, 06:48:53 PM »

I don't want to get trapped in the English version of a redneck arch-conservative parocialism.

Regards,

Jack Barnett

I don't think anyone who has a one acre property within commuting of London could be construed as a redneck.


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2004, 06:55:12 PM »
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I don't think anyone who has a one acre property within commuting of London could be construed as a redneck.

A well-off redneck?   ;)
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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2004, 07:09:18 PM »


A well-off redneck?   ;)

Isn't that an oxymoron ?


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2004, 07:16:26 PM »
According to Wikipedia the term originated in Scotland and refered to lowland Presbyterians. I suppose some of them might have been well off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck


Re: Village life ?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2004, 07:16:50 PM »
I live a stone's throw from several very picturesque market towns on a main train line to London (South Buckinghamshire) and can just echo what you've heard here - it's gonna set you back some VERY serious cash to get an acre in a chocolate box setting that's comfortably commutable to London. And as a fellow Bay Area native, I can also tell you that it's gonna be FAR more conservative. And bear in mind that it will be far less Northern California style "friendly" - which is not to say that it's bad - it's just a VERY different culture. The conservative bit has been hard for me to swallow, but my close friends and family here are pretty liberal, so I have a bit of relief. If you're interested in expanding your search, and if you've got some cash, some very charming market towns with easy London commutes around here would be Wendover, Wooburn Green, Chalfont St. Giles (though that one would need a car as it's not walkable to the train station), old town Amersham (within a walk of a tube station, even), and, in a slightly different direction, I LOVE LOVE LOVE Cookham Dean and Bourne End. If you're willing to go from cute village to cute town, old Beaconsfield is cute and super convenient, but sort of yuppie.


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2004, 07:28:44 PM »
According to Wikipedia the term originated in Scotland and refered to lowland Presbyterians. I suppose some of them might have been well off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Fair point.

But don't you think Oskibear, being from the US I assume,  had the "stereotypical southern United States socially conservative, rural, working class white person" in mind rather than a Scottish Covenanter type from about 400 years ago ?       ;) ;)


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Re: Village life ?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2004, 07:36:52 PM »
Yup. So did I - I just did a Google search out of interest to see if there were any other definitions, it's just interesting how definiions change from one time and place to another.  Anyway didn't mean to hijack the thread, sorry.


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