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Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« on: May 09, 2008, 12:18:36 PM »
So if I wanted to change my name from Andrea Middlename Maiden to Andrea Maiden Marriedname (dropping my original middle name entirely) after marriage, would I need to formally change my name by deed poll/statutory declaration, or can I just use the marriage certificate for changing my documents?  I'm mostly worried about changing my name here in the UK, but experiences from the US would be helpful too.
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 12:30:14 PM »
Can't speak to the UK side of things, but in the US, the marriage certificate is enough documentation to change your name. Actually, that said, I was able to change my name on an old UK bank account with my marriage license, so I think it's probably fine here as well.

And thinking about it, when I applied for my marriage license (this was in NYC) I only had to decide if I wanted to change my last name or not. I only had to change my middle name (or make the decision, anyway--I ended up keeping my original middle name as it just sounded better) when I went in to change my name with Social Security. So I think it's more a case of just assuming the middle name you want to use going forward, and not something that you need to have formal documentation of.

And different states have different rules about what order things need to be changed. For instance, I had to change my SS card before I could get my license changed.
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 12:35:28 PM »
yeah, I figured that changing my last name isn't a problem with the just the marriage certificate....my issue is with changing my middle name.  I don't know whether people are going to want more formal documentation that spells it out for them or whether just assuming a new middle name and showing the marriage certificate will be enough.
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 12:36:28 PM »
To have it legally recognised as your middle name you'd need a deed poll I would think, especially if you are dropping another middle name in favour of your maiden name.


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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 01:19:02 PM »
Yep, it looks like you do need to change via deed poll in your scenario, so I do stand corrected.

http://www.ukdps.co.uk/AWomansRightsUponMarriage.html

The only thing I would say, is that my marriage certificate does indicate what my 'new' surname is, so that is different from UK marriage certificates according to this site. But since marriage certificates probably vary all over the US, I'm not sure what yours will say.

Also, have a look at this regarding foreign nationals living in the UK:

http://www.ukdps.co.uk/WhoCanApply.html

Not sure if that would affect you or not. I don't really know about changing your middle name on your US passport, since I didn't change mine, but hopefully someone will chime in.


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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 01:30:09 PM »
And just for a laugh, this page on that site is pretty funny:

http://www.ukdps.co.uk/AreThereAnyRestrictionsOnNames.html

particularly the 'Fun Names' bit


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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 04:30:52 PM »
So if I wanted to change my name from Andrea Middlename Maiden to Andrea Maiden Marriedname (dropping my original middle name entirely) after marriage, would I need to formally change my name by deed poll/statutory declaration, or can I just use the marriage certificate for changing my documents?  I'm mostly worried about changing my name here in the UK, but experiences from the US would be helpful too.

Hi Andrea

The process of changing your name in the UK is quick and simple. You fill in an online application form, you make payment, you receive the Deed via Royal Mail, you sign it in the presence of a witness who can be ANYONE but not a member of your own family, and finally, you send the Deed Poll to organizations such as the Passport Office, DVLA, your employer etc...

The cheapeast online service found by Yahoo! and Google in April 2008 was The Legal Deed Service www.thelegaldeedservice.org.uk [nofollow] or telephone 0845 299 85 87. (They charge £10).

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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 04:43:05 PM »
As previously advised, (if you live in the UK) to change your US passport to anything other than simply adopting your married name, you must use statutory declaration.  Deed poll is not acceptable.

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=11553.0

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=1314.0

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=10154.0
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 05:08:33 PM »
Yep, I know that I have to do a statutory declaration for my passport if the marriage certificate turned out not to be enough, I was just hoping it wasn't required ;)  To be honest, it seems like too much fuss and bother for me, so I'll likely just change my last name and leave my middle name as is!
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 05:12:54 PM »
I don't think you need to do a statutory declaration to have your name as Andrea Middle Maiden Married (someone correct me if I'm wrong please!), so could you do this and then just have everything (besides your passport that is!) read Andrea Maiden Married?


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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 05:14:56 PM »
Yep, I know that I have to do a statutory declaration for my passport if the marriage certificate turned out not to be enough, I was just hoping it wasn't required ;)  To be honest, it seems like too much fuss and bother for me, so I'll likely just change my last name and leave my middle name as is!

I didn't know anything about this when I made the decision, but now I'm glad that I just kept my middle name as is.  :)

It was a bit sad to lose my maiden name, but in the end I just chose what sounded better, and the maiden/married combo was a mouthful. But as I still have to get my US passport changed to my married name somewhere down the line, at least I feel better knowing that it will make that chore easier.


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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 09:19:58 PM »
As previously advised, (if you live in the UK) to change your US passport to anything other than simply adopting your married name, you must use statutory declaration.  Deed poll is not acceptable.

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=11553.0 [nofollow]

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=1314.0 [nofollow]

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=10154.0 [nofollow]


You're absolutley wrong, and, as a Lawyer, I can assure you that a Deed Poll is an acceptable form of declaration for an American Citizen who wishes to change their name on UK documentation. However, for American Citizens, the US Embassy may require that the Deed Poll is SIGNED in the presence of a Solicitor as opposed to it being signed in the presence of A N OTHER.

The difficulty that this lady will be encountering with regard to the 15minute simple process of changing your name in the UK - is that, with respect, people like you offer unqualified misleading information.

On average, 50,000 people change their name using a Deed Poll every year in the UK. A significant percentage are aliens.



Foreigners (Alien)

The use of the word alien has a specific legal meaning - a person who, under the law of a particular state, is not a citizen of that state, but who is a resident alien.

The law deems any person who is not a Common Wealth Citizen, a citizen of the Republic of Ireland or a British Protected Person, an alien.

The law provides that an alien is free to change their name by Deed Poll. However, an alien cannot enrol a Deed in the Central Office of the High Court of Justice. (The does not stipulate that a Deed MUST be enrolled anyway)


Changing a name by Deed Poll

A Deed of Change of Name is a legal document which enables a single person or a family to officially change his, her or their name and is bound to that contract. It is a type of Deed Poll and in informal usage is it usually referred to simply as a Deed Poll.

A Deed Poll is a legal document binding only to a single person or several persons acting jointly to express an active intention. It has been said that a Deed Poll is a form of contract; however, the law of contract provides that, in order to enter into a contract, there must be two persons whereby one person will do something in exchange for the other persons promise.

It can therefore be said that a Deed Poll is strictly speaking not a contract because it generally binds only one party and expresses an intention (i.e. an intention to change a name) instead of a promise (i.e. a promise to change a name in exchange for something else).

The term "deed", also known in this context as a "specialty", is common to signed written agreements not supported by consideration: the seal (even if not a literal wax seal but only a notional one referred to by the execution formula, "signed, sealed and delivered", or even merely "executed as a deed") is deemed to be the consideration necessary to support the contract between the parties to the deed.

 "Poll" is an archaic legal term referring to documents with straight edges; these distinguished a deed binding only one person from one affecting more than a single person (an "indenture", so named during the time when such agreements would be written out repeatedly on a single sheet, then irregularly torn or "indented" so that each party had a document with corresponding tears, so as to discourage forgery).


Enrolment of a Deed Poll in the Central Office of the High Court

The law in the England & Wales does not stipulate that you must enrol a Deed, however, such a deed may be registered in the Central Office of the High Court. Deeds so registered are advertised in the London Gazette. The registration of deeds is regulated by the Enrolment of Deeds (Change of Name) Regulations 1994, Statutory Instrument 1994 No. 604.

If you wish to enrol a Deed, the Royal Courts of Justice will charge you as follows:

Court Enrolment Fee £10.00
Advertisement Charge £52.88
Copy of London Gazette £1.55

The Central Office of the High Court will not write a Deed Poll for you – they simply enrol it. You must write your own Deed Poll or enlist the services of a Solicitor or Deed Poll Specialist.

To evidence that the Deed Poll has been signed you may register it with the College of Arms.

The Deed Poll must be signed in the person’s old and new surname. A person is not permitted to sign the Deed Poll on behalf of the person changing their name.

There are certain regulations to which an adult must adhere when enrolling a Deed with the Court; moreover, special regulations also apply if the application for enrolment is made on behalf of the child.

You cannot apply to enrol a Deed Poll unless you are a Common Wealth citizen. The UK is a member of the Common Wealth whereas Ireland is not.

If the applicant is assuming the surname of a cohabitee, the applicant must supply the Court with details about whether the person has a spouse; whether that person is divorced or separated from that spouse; where the spouse is living; whether the person or the applicant has any children either by their respective marriages or with their relationship; if their are any children, where applicable, with whom the children reside.

The applicant must obtain a sworn statement made by a person with whom the applicant has been acquainted for period of not less than 10years. The sworn statement must confirm the identity of the applicant, moreover, the statement must be sworn by a person who is a Commonwealth citizen and a householder living in the UK.

Upon making the application, the applicant is required to submit a draft copy of an advertisement to include details of the Deed Poll to London Gazette. Upon enrolment, the Court Clerk will publish the advertisement.

The Court will only acknowledge names where the name is legible; moreover, the Court will refuse to change a name if the reason for the name is to cause confusion or mischief.




The law in the United Kingdom

In the United Kingdom the Law provides that you are free to change your name without using a Deed Poll - you simply start calling yourself by your new name. However, all UK Government departments, including the Home Office Identity & Passport Service, HM Revenue & Customs, the Department for Work & Pensions and the Driving and Vehicle Licensing Authority, will not acknowledge a change of name unless presented with a declaration in the form of a Deed Poll.

Similarly, most private organizations and companies in the UK, including your bank, will not allow you to change your name on the records that they hold without you first presenting them with a legal declaration in the form of a Deed Poll.


For a thorough explanation of the law pertaining to a change of name in the UK - please click:

http://www.thelegaldeedservice.org.uk/page9.htm#3 [nofollow]


Regards,

Julie
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2008, 09:45:20 AM »
actually, Julie, peedal is right- the US Embassy in London will not accept any other UK name change document but a statutory declaration for a change that isn't just a simple surname change due to marriage.  It's right there on their website:

Note: In the United Kingdom, there are varying forms for name changes. However, the only acceptable document for a U.S. passport name change is a Statutory Declaration which has been executed in accordance with the Statutory Declarations Act 1835. This document must be signed by the applicant in the presence of a solicitor administering the oath; the document will be sealed by that official. The document should be signed thus: "Janet Doe formerly Janet Smith."
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_new/acs/passports/namechange.html

Americans can certainly use deed polls to change their name on other UK documentation, but for a US passport the only UK name change document you can use is a statutory declaration (again, this is only if you're doing a name change for which a marriage certificate alone will not suffice.)
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2008, 09:51:39 AM »
I don't think you need to do a statutory declaration to have your name as Andrea Middle Maiden Married (someone correct me if I'm wrong please!), so could you do this and then just have everything (besides your passport that is!) read Andrea Maiden Married?

I don't know whether I need a statutory declaration for that or not either, but that won't really work with my name as my last name is quite a mouthful and it would be too much of a hassle to legally have such a long name and deal with having the "right" middle name on my documentation.

To be honest, part of me thinks I'd prefer not changing at all, but FH wants us to have the same last name and I'm not against that in theory...I just don't want the hassle of changing it!  So I'm looking for the lowest-fuss option, which seems to be using the marriage certificate to change just my last name.
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Re: Quick name change Q- maiden name to middle name
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2008, 10:15:33 AM »
What about leaving your maiden name on your passport but changing it for everything else?


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