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Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« on: September 11, 2010, 07:21:04 PM »
Dear everyone,

I am very interested to hear everyone's opinion here and hopefully we can even get a nice lively discussion going.

I am potentially relocating within the UK for work and also have the possibility to choose my own location (its a long shot but a real possibility!).  After much introspection and soul searching, I have come to realize that what would make me happy is to live in a progressive town.  For me, this is what really contributes to my quality of life. Currently I am living in an economically depressed, asbo/yob-ridden area.  Mentally, the people here are "stuck in the past" and can't be bothered to move with the times.  So, what makes a progressive town?   

Well for a start, its not about which area has the biggest shopping malls.  In my opinion, its about attitude where people like to be forward thinking and know there is a bigger world outside their little city.   I do believe education plays a big part of it. For example, Swindon town council eliminated speed cameras as they found they had no basis in deterring crime or accidents and were willing to forego the extra revenue in exchange for better quality of life. In my opinion, that's forward thinking.  It's about attitude because people were willing to challenge the status quo for the better of the community.  Does that make sense?  The best US- equivalent I can think of would be either Claremont or Palo Alto, California or Colorado, although I'm sure they are not the only progressive areas in the US- just the first few that come to mind.

FYI- I'm 37 yo, unmarried with no children, if that matters. But I'm really interested in hearing YOUR thoughts- maybe you have other ideas about what makes a progressive town and if so, which towns/cities would you include?

Looking forward to hearing everyone's perspectives!
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2010, 11:45:10 PM »
I think I'll be very interested in reading the opinions here as well, although I do think that a location is more about what you make of it. I've been in really horrible places and been happy as can be and in great towns that made me miserable, and that was all down to my attitude about being there rather than the actual amenities.
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2010, 08:07:42 AM »
I don't have a lot of advice about 'progressive' towns as I'm still not entirely sure what the OP means.

However, regarding speed cameras, getting rid of them is pretty much a nationwide movement right now. It's just the way things seem to be heading - Swindon may be the first, but I'm fairly sure a lot of other areas will follow suit. So I wouldn't necessarily base where I move on that one issue.
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2010, 08:20:44 AM »
I live in Leeds which seems fairly progressive, but I couldn't site any political issues to prove that.  But then in any city there will always be areas or neighborhoods which are not progressive.  York seems progressive to me, I hear loads of people commute and get around York on bicycle which to me means progressive, eco-minded fit people live there.  Maybe Oxford--a university town where most will be very educated?
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2010, 08:41:28 AM »
I agree that university towns might fit the bill. However, places like Oxford are also going to be very expensive. I suppose it's all about trade-offs and how important it is to you.

To me, things like access to good locally-grown fresh fruit & veg is 'progressive,' which is why I probably wouldn't live in a big city. I like country life!  :)
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2010, 09:05:44 AM »
I don't think things translate well in terms of "progressiveness" here.  Maybe Brighton would be considered a "progressive" town.  It's definitely a gay-friendly town, but it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea ias a place to live because it is a seaside town with a lot of influx of visitors on the weekends and during summer. 

I don't think the rural/city divide between the bulk of people being more progressive socially or leftist economically exists here.  There are a lot of progressives in the country-side here and a lot of very true blue conservative (little c and big C really) in the cities here.  For instance, I doubt there are many places in a large city in the US that would have Republican safe districts, but here in London the Tories have held councils like Westminster forever and always elect a Tory MP.

And there's much more of a very distinct difference between being left-wing politically and progressive socially here.  Sure there are old timey Democrats back in the US, but they tend not to be all that left wing economically either.  Here you will definitely hear people preaching socialist ideals but be rather conservative socially.  You will also find the opposite where some people are for freer markets and more social progressiveness.

I would actually call the elimination of speed cameras or CCTV a "liberal" development rather than a progressive one.  I think there can be very progressive people who support cameras everywhere, but few liberals (in the classic definition, not the American one) who would.  And there can definitely be very progressive liberals here, but there are also a lot of right wing ones.   Being involved a bit with the Lib Dems during the GE, it always was weird to encounter the ones that ran against the wooly jumper wearing, beard toting, sandal wearing, muesli eating ones, but you could spot them a mile away.  They were a bit of a contrast to what I expected as an American.


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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2010, 09:08:47 AM »
When I think of progressive towns/cities in the US, I think along the lines of Portland, Oregon; Chapel Hill/Carrboro, North Carolina; Burlington, Vermont, etc.  I haven't yet come across an equivalent in the UK, to be honest.  I suppose some people might say Cambridge since it's a big university town but I don't really think it compares.  

What one considers progressive can really vary, but having lived in both Chapel Hill and Carrboro at different points in my life, for me, one of the biggest factors included political involvement, especially at the local level, and a big focus on social justice issues as it pertained to the town itself.  Another would be the huge importance placed on town infrastructure and how it affected the daily lives of residents--for example, not only was the public bus system pretty far-reaching and developed, it was free for all residents to ride, and you could store bikes on a rack at the front of each bus, which eliminated the need for taking a car to school/work.  Both Chapel Hill and Carrboro grant domestic partnership benefits to same-sex couples even though the state of North Carolina does not, which also speaks volumes about the kind of towns they are.  Other factors for me would be an emphasis on local produce and goods, a lack of chain stores and restaurants, a thriving arts scene, strong presence of farmers markets and cooperative stores, and an emphasis on community events and education.  

I've seen certain elements of these things across the UK but haven't yet come across a town that has an overwhelming sense of all of those things combined.
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2010, 09:25:46 AM »
Hiya

Yes, what's considered 'progressive' will vary from one person to the next...


For me, progressive is where there's economic prosperity, jobs creation, business investment...

As the UK is very tiny geographically, there's no one or more town that can be considered 'progressive' be it from the view above, or from the views already mentioned and no doubt any other's yet to be posted. You'll probably find 'pockets' of progressiveness based on individuals views perhaps, but no one town or city that encompasses them all.

In that respect, every town or city is 'progressive' seeing as new buildings pop up, be they for domestic use or business use! - My town Slough, the Centre of the Universe no less, is often derided..  yet the amount of investment and 'progress' is excellent! You should all see the new Sainsbury's store thats opening up soon that's probably the same size as the Tesco we have less than half a mile away!! Job creation, wealth and investment attraction all progressive. Probable traffic issues, extra pollution all non progressive!

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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 09:52:50 AM »
You should all see the new Sainsbury's store thats opening up soon that's probably the same size as the Tesco we have less than half a mile away!!

LOL! Dennis, I think I'm the anti-you!  ;D ;)

To me, appreciating, valuing and maintaining green space is progressive. Not building more and more supermarkets ... especially when there's one already less than half a mile away!

So, yes, that's a very tricky question the OP has posed. Talk about subjective!
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2010, 10:18:09 AM »
So, yes, that's a very tricky question the OP has posed. Talk about subjective!  

Definitely!  It's a 'how long is a piece of string' question!  :P

I'm with those who say a lot of places are what you make of them, what you seek out, etc.  And you can find an argument for a bit of both pretty much anywhere, depending on what you think is progressive.

Like Andee, I think Leeds is progressive - combination of what has been regenerated development over the last 20 years, plus green spaces (in the city & easy access to nearby beautiful countryside), good local food culture, great markets, multicultural, something for everyone!  Particularly excited about an industrial art & performance space we toured yesterday, which is making new and innovative use of an old (Grade I Listed) Industrial Revolution flax mill:

http://www.templeworksleeds.com/

On the other hand, are there non-progressive things about Leeds or non-progressive people around here?  Of course there are!

Similarly, I like York - gorgeous city & fabulous history there...but, it's not especially multicultural or diverse there, I'm afraid - apart from the students.

Then I thought (like others) maybe Brighton (I've never been) or a university town?

If you want a really funky place, move to Hebden Bridge!  It is, after all, the 'funkiest town in Europe'.  ;D

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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2010, 10:26:18 AM »
Cornwall's full of artists, potters, jewellery-makers and aging hippies .... I suppose that's seen as progressive by a lot of people.
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2010, 10:34:56 AM »
I think that in any town or city, you are going to get a mix of political and social attitudes. Yes, York has two universities, a lot of bicycle paths and a pedestrian city centre, and my old ward was represented by councillors from the Green Party.

However, within York (which is more than just the city centre, you wouldn't necessarily find a place to live in the city centre), there will be people with a variety of different views.

We have yobs and asbos here, as well.

 Even in a "progressive town", not everyone is going to be progressive. You might move to what you think is a progressive town and find that you have very conserative neighbours.
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 11:15:02 AM »
Cornwall's full of artists, potters, jewellery-makers and aging hippies .... I suppose that's seen as progressive by a lot of people.
Yes!

I'd probably second Brighton (though I've never been there) and Hebden Bridge.
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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 11:57:57 AM »
This is an interesting thread!

I think there are some fundamental differences between the US and the UK in that the UK is far more centralised and local government here is much weaker than in the US.  It is more difficult here for a town to 'go its own way', particularly as most of a town's budget comes directly from central government.  Also, UK towns (in my experience) are for the most part socially diverse and perhaps more difficult to categorise than US towns?

Progress is a very subjective issue.  There is progress in terms of lots of new shiny buildings and new roads.  For others, progress is holding back the modern world.  There is a really interesting movement called 'Cittaslow', which is trying to develop towns in a different way - so far in the UK, there are nine, including Berwick in Northumberland.

I think the OP is looking for people with open minds, which I think you will find anywhere - it just takes time to find them.

As for specific recommendations, Hebden Bridge is a funky little town - there is a vibrant arts scene, but sadly it has a very high teenage suicide rate as the local kids are bored silly.  Larger towns that have struck me as open minded and diverse include: Brighton, Bristol, Edinburgh and Norwich.  There are hundreds of small towns, where you might find your niche, depends what you are into?

I lived in Newcastle for 3 years (as a student) and loved it.  There are some great new art galleries, a great new library, plus investment in the city's metro - all of which I think is progressive.  I know what you mean about the yobbish behaviour of some - maybe you need to relocate within Newcastle?

I don't think there is anywhere in the UK directly comparable to the towns in the US that you mentioned, but I am sure there is somewhere out there for you!


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Re: Your opinions on "progressive" towns in the UK
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2010, 01:53:09 PM »
I can tell you what city is NOT "progressive" in terms of liberal, cultured, intellectual, activism oriented people is Preston despite there being a large university.   








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