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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9585 on: March 27, 2019, 05:19:11 PM »
Thanks Sirius. She was saying she needed to do these inspections for the agency who takes our rent/deposit and I think she is going overboard because of a bad experience with them. She no longer takes tenants who are on housing benefit, and was very frustrated because the previous tenant left a mess too (she had cancer and needed to move back with family without much notice, I'm sure it wasn't her intention to leave a mess). Do you know where the definition for reasonable wear and tear is? I'm only concerned she'll try to charge us for that. If I find a job we are happy staying here until we can afford a house, so this was more annoying than anything.

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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9586 on: March 28, 2019, 09:29:17 AM »
Do you know where the definition for reasonable wear and tear is? I'm only concerned she'll try to charge us for that.

Just to confirm, she won't win a claim for reasonable wear and tear.
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9587 on: March 29, 2019, 09:54:15 AM »
Looks like one of the houses we were due to view is "no longer on the market". Only found out because husband went to double check it. No call from the estate agent as of yet. Yet another reason why I loathe this particular estate agent.
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9588 on: March 29, 2019, 09:57:16 AM »
Looks like one of the houses we were due to view is "no longer on the market". Only found out because husband went to double check it. No call from the estate agent as of yet. Yet another reason why I loathe this particular estate agent.

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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9589 on: March 29, 2019, 11:10:09 AM »
Can you use another?

No, it doesn't work here like it does in the US. As a buyer, you don't use an estate agent. Only the seller will use an estate agent (of their choosing) and the buyer is stuck going through whichever estate agent holds that particular property...

So, for example, we have (had) 3 viewings planned with 3 different estate agents. I personally feel estate agents really add no value to selling your home as half the time they don't even know the information the buyer is wanting (they tend to just state the obvious) and they don't even work for the buyer/help them find properties (typically...our case was a bit different but it's because they wanted the sale and we're the ones that end up paying them their commission even though they worked for our buyer and did nothing for us!)
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9590 on: March 29, 2019, 12:12:31 PM »
The plot thickens. Just got a confirmation email about the property that's been taken off the market...I'm confused.
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9591 on: March 29, 2019, 12:52:32 PM »
The plot thickens. Just got a confirmation email about the property that's been taken off the market...I'm confused.

Maybe your husband has a surprise for you?  ;)


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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9592 on: March 29, 2019, 01:01:24 PM »
Maybe your husband has a surprise for you?  ;)

hahaa no just phoned them up over lunch and apparently the seller is "fully committed to selling" but might change their mind and doesn't know what to do. Not sure what that means. Was a bit vague. But basically they're happy for those viewing it to come around and view still and then they will "make a decision about what they want off the back of the viewings" so we're still all good to go tomorrow. 3 viewings again it is.
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9593 on: March 29, 2019, 04:10:27 PM »
My guess would be that the seller has accepted an offer so they have to make public noises about the house being off the market.  But the slimey agent wants to show it to you anyway, in the hopes that you will offer higher. 

Why don't sharks bite estate agents?  Professional courtesy.


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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9594 on: March 31, 2019, 02:25:19 PM »
Thanks Sirius. She was saying she needed to do these inspections for the agency who takes our rent/deposit and I think she is going overboard because of a bad experience with them.

Well welcome to her, to the world of being a landlord. Landlords expect to get a bad experience at some time with a bad tenant and that is all built into their business plan: if they know what a business plan is. For those landlords that haven't bothered to learn the laws; some of which are criminal; that bad experience could be with the council or police, because letting agents in England are not the ones who are required to know the laws of the letting business.

Her bad experience still doesn’t mean that she can ignore the law.  The law in England is quite clear; every tenant has the right of quite enjoyment of their home.

She no longer takes tenants who are on housing benefit,

That always makes me LOL when a landlord says this-

1.  It’s called LHA. HB is for those in social housing.

2. They might not be on LHA but they could be on lots of other benefits and use those to pay the rent. They could have so many other benefits that they have too much for HB/LHA as the UK brought in a benefit cap.

3. The benefit agencies do not tell a tenant if the landlord claims/starts claiming benefits, just as they don't tell the landlord if the tenant does, because England has Data Protection laws.

and was very frustrated because the previous tenant left a mess too (she had cancer and needed to move back with family without much notice, I'm sure it wasn't her intention to leave a mess).

This is all part of being a landlord and is her sob story to tell, but it's not your problem. It could have been that she was a bad landlord and the tenant decided to do that: there is no point in throwing good money after bad in the courts if the tenant doesn't have much money.

If it was a mess, then that is what a deposit is for. A landlord might find out the hard way that they can’t take what they want from a tenants deposit as those days are gone and they could now lose the chance to ever take a deposit again. It’s not like before, when the tenant had to take the landlord to court (if they could be bothered) and the landlord could keep being taken to court by every tenant, even if they lost, as there was no limit to the doing this.

Under these new laws, a tenant should never warn the landlord that they are putting in a Dispute with the deposit scheme because this just gives a bad landlord the chance to back down and then try it on with the next tenant. It's easy to raise a dispute and tenants should not fear this as this scheme was brought in to protect them; driven in by the good landlords and the charities.

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 In Scotland and Wales, they can prevent a landlord from letting out their property/properties.


Do you know where the definition for reasonable wear and tear is? I'm only concerned she'll try to charge us for that. If I find a job we are happy staying here until we can afford a house, so this was more annoying than anything.



In England, tenant has to behave in a tenant like manner, which means, tenant finds something that needs a repair, informs the landlord (in writing for tenant’s protection) because if they don’t and that repair gets worse, tenant is liable for the extra cost. Once the landlord or letting agent is aware of the repair, additional costs due to delay, the  landlord has to pay. If the landlord has their property in a poor state and that is causing damage, make sure you tell them in writing. If it doesn’t get fixed, then ask the council to inspect the property as councils now deal with the bad landlord. Tenants are no longer the ones who have to take a bad landlord to court when they break the contract/law.

Your landlord was required by law to give you the Prescribed Information, in the prescribed manner. By law in England and Wales, they had 30 days to put your deposit in one of the government backed schemes. You can either look on that Prescribed Information to see which scheme they used and then look on their site for that guide on fair wear and tear, or you can look for Trading Standards guides on fair wear and tear.
These are the sites for the 3 Teancy Deposit protection schemes for England-
https://www.tenancydepositscheme.com/
https://www.mydeposits.co.uk/
https://www.depositprotection.com/



Don’t forget that if you paid more than 5 weeks deposit, under the new Tenant Fees law that starts on 1 June 2019, any deposit held over 5 weeks will likely have to be returned. I think this return will have to happen because when the deposit protection scheme law came in, some landlords argued that a renewal of a tenancy agreement meant that they didn't have put the deposit in a scheme and could still keep that in their own account. Some were taken to court for failing to place the deposit in one of the new schemes and the courts ruled that a renewal is a new contract and the landlords had to pay 3 times the deposit to the tenant as the fine and give the deposit back (the landlord couldn't have deposit for the rest of that tenancy).
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9595 on: March 31, 2019, 04:26:55 PM »
and we're the ones that end up paying them their commission even though they worked for our buyer and did nothing for us!)

Estate agents work for themselves, they don't work for the buyer. They are there to find a buyer so that they can bill the seller for that service. Just watch that they don't start contacing your solicotor to find out how the sale is going, or you might have to pay for that call the solicotor takes.

They do try to sell the buyer things, like using their mortgage advisor so they get the commission from that too.
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9596 on: March 31, 2019, 04:30:01 PM »
Estate agents work for themselves, they don't work for the buyer. They are there to find a buyer so that they can bill the seller for that service.

Yes, but in this situation they quite literally worked for the buyer vs us as we weren’t in the market. We were approached by an estate agent on behalf of the (now) buyer.  Yes, they were working for themselves ultimately as they wanted to make a sale however they could but they weren’t “finding us a buyer”. They were more “finding a seller” for their buyer in this specific instance.


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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9597 on: March 31, 2019, 04:35:49 PM »
Yes, but in this situation they quite literally worked for the buyer vs us as we weren’t in the market. We were approached by an estate agent on behalf of the (now) buyer.  Yes, they were working for themselves ultimately as they wanted to make a sale however they could but they weren’t “finding us a buyer”. They were more “finding a seller” for their buyer in this specific instance.

Estate agents do that all the time, get their staff to go around the streets sticking notices through peoples doors, where they claim that they have a buyer who is looking for a house in that area.  It's to make sure that if they do find somebody who wants to sell, they sign up to pay them and not another EA.
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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9598 on: March 31, 2019, 04:41:09 PM »
Estate agents do that all the time, gettheir staff to go around the strreets sticking notices through peoples doors where they claim that they have a buyer who is looking for a house in that area.

No. This literally is a case where a couple put an offer on a house 2 doors down. It’s a local, family owned estate agents who don’t canvass the streets. The couple wanted to be in this area and they saw we had been on the market a few months prior and they asked if we would be relisting as they had a buyer who missed out on the other house because they didn’t have a buyer and now their house was sold. Literally, they had a couple wanting to buy a house on my road and they wanted a viewing ASAP. This wasn’t a scam where they didn’t actually have somebody (we signed NO agreement with the estate agent prior to us having a viewing). It was sold in less than a week to that couple. There were two viewings days apart, one done by the estate agents and one done by us. They brought a buyer to our doorstep after having worked with this buyer, which is why I say they worked for the buyer **in this one off instance** (yes they worked for themselves as if they didn’t put in effort, they might not have made any sale to this couple, but they did more for the buyer than us in this particular situation). 


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Re: Inconvenient Annoyances
« Reply #9599 on: March 31, 2019, 04:45:02 PM »
Estate agents work for themselves, they don't work for the buyer. They are there to find a buyer so that they can bill the seller for that service. Just watch that they don't start contacing your solicotor to find out how the sale is going, or you might have to pay for that call the solicotor takes.

They do try to sell the buyer things, like using their mortgage advisor so they get the commission from that too.

In regards to your edit, yes they do try to flog their own services (in this case, we have a financial advisor and he’s already sorted out our offer in principle for a mortgage and all that good stuff, so we just shut down those questions as well as the questions about “do you have a property to sell”. Definitely good to mention to those who haven’t been through the process.

Never had a situation in either of our purchases where they’ve called a solicitor to ask about the how the sale is going unprompted by us, but that’s a good thing to look out for.


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