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Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« on: October 26, 2004, 04:07:42 PM »
Does anyone have any advice on the differences between American and British style resumes?   My current resume is a standard single page with education at the top, followed by jobs listed in reverse chronological order.  My fiance's c.v. is much longer and includes a lot of details that would be considered unnecessary in the U.S. 

I tried looking for a website for advice on how to retool my resume, but most of the places I found were for pay services.  I'd much rather do it myself if I can.

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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2004, 04:39:30 PM »
I have my job references listed first in reverse chronological order, then my education. But that's because my work history is my strongest asset. Here they seem to want a brief bio or personal things. I found that the hardest part to write. I just had friends look at mine, and they gave me advice on how they'd change things. I also had a friend's gf who is an HR person look it over and her only comment was do not use paragraphs, use bullet points for everything. She also wanted the bit that said I'm late 30's with a clean driving record blah blah blah.

The recruiter I used said my biggst obstacle is that my US experience won't pop out to British employers because I won't have the same key phrases they are used to looking for on a CV. She advised me to write out a brief history of my strengths, and what previous duties entailed that might appeal to the person viewing the CV.  It would be tailored to each job I applied for.

Sorry I can't offer more pointed advice, hopefully others can chime in with more concrete help. :)

Good luck with it all.


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2004, 04:45:38 PM »
I know this seems kind of like a simple suggestion, but why not put yours up against your fiance's and then change yours (with your information, obviously) to look like his?  That's what I did...
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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2004, 05:01:52 PM »
I know this seems kind of like a simple suggestion, but why not put yours up against your fiance's and then change yours (with your information, obviously) to look like his?  That's what I did...

Our work experience and education are so different that I think I'm better off starting from scratch.
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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2004, 05:17:55 PM »
i have to tell you, if you're going through recruiters they switch your cv around so much anyway to the format they think is best, it doens't matter.

i fretted over my short few sentence bio and see that none of the recruiters include that in info to the company.  (although it may be useful to gain interest).

i can email you my CV if you like, so see what i have.  It's been working well so far.  PM me your email if you want me to.


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2004, 06:52:00 PM »
One thing that concerns me is that it seems that the UK CV is supposed to contain your age or date of birth.  I am 39 years old, but I look much younger and I did not graduate from university till I was 34. (I attended  while working full time).  I am concerned that some employers will toss my resume in the bin as soon as they see I am over 35.  In the US, it would be illegal to ask a prospective employee their age, except for proof that they are old enough to work.


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2004, 07:18:01 PM »
One thing that concerns me is that it seems that the UK CV is supposed to contain your age or date of birth.  I am 39 years old, but I look much younger and I did not graduate from university till I was 34. (I attended  while working full time).  I am concerned that some employers will toss my resume in the bin as soon as they see I am over 35.  In the US, it would be illegal to ask a prospective employee their age, except for proof that they are old enough to work.
Hmm I am just curious -- What is the job for which you are applying? I am 38-- never considered my age to be a negative-- I tend to think it is pretty much just right...mature enough to handle things to have experience through life and/or work....young enough to give many years service.

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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2004, 08:30:27 PM »
One thing that concerns me is that it seems that the UK CV is supposed to contain your age or date of birth.

And your marital status and nationality. They get away with quite a lot over here in terms of what info. they expect up front. But I've got over it and put it all on my CV without argument. As for age, I'm 36 and had quite a few interview invites when I was searching, including some for jobs that were definitely suited to a youthful personality. I don't think it's that big of a deal.... I'm also happy to share mine if you want to see it.


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2004, 01:04:36 PM »
sweetpeach, et al

One thing that concerns me is that it seems that the UK CV is supposed to contain your age or date of birth. I am 39 years old, but I look much younger and I did not graduate from university till I was 34. (I attended while working full time). I am concerned that some employers will toss my resume in the bin as soon as they see I am over 35. In the US, it would be illegal to ask a prospective employee their age, except for proof that they are old enough to work.

> i would echo the comments from postings above about including more 'personal details'. i too found it rather disconcerting to put my age and DOB, but after resistign for a while have done it. my first thought is that it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal, but i'm also 32 and recognise that others experiences may be different.....

> i have seen other CVs where people include driving record, hobbies, marital status, etc.... i do not put that much info but *do* put my visa status on because if you are American that is the first question an employer will want to know and you don't want them to reject you outright if they think they might have to go through a lot of hassle to employ you. here is what i have said on mine

"Status: American citizen, living and working in London for four years, with full UK work and residency privileges"

> i would also recommend using a recruiter the first time around. love 'em or loathe 'em, they know what they are doing and they will sort your CV out....

> a small point but as for graduating from university at a late age, if i were a prospective employer i would be really impressed with anyone that went back to school later in life. 'non traditional students' in my experience, as both a traditional and nontraditional student myself, make the best students because they realise how great university is after having worked half their life. i hope i don't sound patronizing, but i really think what is worrying you is a strength and something to be proud of.

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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2004, 01:11:59 PM »
oh yeah -  here are a few online resources for uk cv's:

http://www.monster.co.uk/

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/

BBCi has everything you will probably need - here's an article on writing a CV:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2950896.stm

and....on this page, if you go to the bottom there is a dropdown window with more links to work-related info:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/business/work_childcare/default.stm

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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2004, 06:44:01 PM »
I haven't submitted a resume (or CV) to anyone in the UK because I work for U.S. clients. But it is illegal to ask about someone's age, marital status, children (or lack thereof), etc., in the States, and I certainly wouldn't include that on a resume here--it's completely immaterial to your ability to competently do the job. In the States you could reasonably point out that it's illegal to ask such questions--here, if you don't feel comfortable providing that information, you might politely turn the tables and say, quizzically, "Hmm. I don't quite understand how that matters as far as this job goes--is that important?" or something to that effect. :)

Also, in the days when I worked in an office and screened resumes for editorial assistants, etc., I never looked at an "Objective" statement at the top of a resume: Obviously, the "objective," ultimately, is to get a job. So people typically write fluff BS such as "OBJECTIVE: To apply my innovative skills and initiative at (fill-in-the-blank-job) to enable a progressive company to achieve its full potential," (or some such nonsense). You get the picture. Blah, blah, blah. Who cares?

Also, what your hobbies are, although perhaps interesting to friends, family, spouse, etc., are also immaterial to your competence for a job. I mean: Who cares, for instance, if you enjoy collecting stamps, skiing, picking lint off people's clothes, whatever? In the hundreds of resumes I've both screened and rewritten for people (and that's not an offer--sorry), I've, respectively, ignored the hobbies bit or deleted it.

As someone else mentioned, unless you're straight out of a university or similar program, you shouldn't list your educational background first--that immediately says you have little or no experience. If you've been in the job market for a while, leave your educational background at the bottom of the resume, along with any lists of awards or other formal acknowledgments you've received for your work.

I've written mine in backward chronological experience, according to the type of experience. In my case, it's been most recent editing experience (listing clients), and then other editorial jobs, again, in reverse order. Because I've also had some marketing and other experience, that's a separate but smaller section, again in backward chronological order.

If you don't have consistent experience in a given field, you might do better to break your resume down to the transferable skills you have that could apply to any of a number of fields. That's a functional (vs. chronological) resume, and there are many examples in jobhunting books.

As far as length goes, the general rule of thumb is that you should have no more than one page per 10 years of pertinentexperience (that is, don't bother including your paper route or summer job at McDonald's on your resume). I've read that most employers find lengthy resumes a turnoff, and even more rarely still, read through more than two pages. You want to be as concise as possible, but strongly emphasize your achievements.

Check out a British resume (I won't use CV as a term here, as it's used only when referring to people with doctorates and post-doctoral experience in the States--we mere mortals without Ph.D.'s still go by "resume.") Speaking of which--don't write CV or resume at the top of your CV/resume. It's obvious what it is. Use British date, address, and phone number formatting, as well as British spelling wherever possible, but your resume really doesn't need to be that drastically different from one you'd submit in the States.

Also, do NOT send out the same generic cover letters (other than changing the company's and addressee's name) with your resume. Tailor each letter to the job you're seeking (for example, if you're replying to a newspaper ad or something a recruiter has given you, use the company's own words in your cover letter, and point out your strengths with those requirements. Respond specifically to what they've said they want in the prospective employee. Your cover letter is at least as important, if not MORE important, than your actual resume. If your cover letter doesn't stand out, your resume will get tossed, guaranteed, and you'll get the generic "Thanks for applying--we've chosen another candidate--we'll keep your CV on file should there be any openings in the future" letter. Yeah, right.

(God, I'm coming off as a complete know-it-all. Sorry about that. But I do know what I'm talking about.) :)

Two final things, the first critical.

Make absolutely sure that your spelling and grammar are perfect on your resume and in every cover letter--and I mean PERFECT. There are plenty of people other than editors who respect the language enough to see typos, misspellings, grammatical errors, etc., as a sign of apathy on your part, and possibly an indication that you may be equally careless on the job.

Finally (phew!), if you get an interview and start getting into salary negotiation, try to get a feel for what they're thinking first. If they ask what YOU'RE thinking, ask for 10 percent more than what your absolute bottom line is. They might just say okay, in which case you're fortunate. If not, you've still left yourself some room to let them "bargain you down," leaving them (and you) with a win-win feeling. I wouldn't recommend doing that if I hadn't been successful (often beyond expectation) in doing so myself, and also because a lot of women have a conciliatory tendency to accept a job that doesn't pay what they deserve.

Anyway, if I haven't literally bored you into a coma or to death by now, I hope that helps.

Suzanne
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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2004, 09:55:32 AM »
Wow, that's a lot of great advice, Suzanne.

I'm a little confused on one point, though. Everything I've read about British CVs/resumes says they should generally be about two pages long, unlike the one-page standard of American resumes. Is this info outdated?  ???


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2004, 10:19:36 AM »
British CVs tend to be a bit longer than your standard one-page US resume.  Also, even if you refuse to put your birthdate or personal info on your CV, it will be requested on the application form and/or the monitoring sheet, so there's no real point in leaving it off.  It's not illegal for UK employers to request this info (though I think it will be in the next few years).  Where I work, it seems that age is only a determining factor if two candidates are equally qualfied--they've chosen the person closest in age to the ages of the customer groups with which they'd be working and that seems to have worked out really well. And there does seem to be a trend in putting "Curriculum Vitae" at the top of CVs here...these are just things I've picked up in my current job, as I screen all of the applications that come through before they go to HR.


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2004, 10:21:57 AM »
I think one page is enough. A prospective employer may have many job applicants and trawling through lengthy CVs is no fun.

On the subject of personal details, these can have a bearing on one's ability to do the job.

As an example, suppose you want to employ a service engineer. The job offered maybe entails travelling worldwide at short notice and staying away for weeks at a time.  You have a choice of two candidates, one is single with no dependants, the other a single parent with three school age children.


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Re: Converting my American resume to a British style "C.V."?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2004, 03:35:48 PM »
if the position you are applying for is a professional one, 2 page CV is preferred

also re: the education at the bottom, i don't necesarily agree. i think if you are in a field where an MA or MBA, for example, adds credibility to your CV [ie is an extra, rather than mandatory qualification] it might be worth putting it higher up in the order information.

i think, to some degree, some of the advice is academic. the best CVs are highly targeted to the industry and position for which you are applying. that is why i would reiterate to the original poster that going to a recruiter in your field would be the best course. even if they don't get you a job, they will help improve your CV and target it not just to the British market but to the specific industry you've targeted.


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