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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #105 on: August 01, 2018, 01:05:05 PM »
They (her and the family) have been working with their MP.

So she hasn't been contacted "off the back end of the media article" then: that would have been a first.  This is not the first person to be refused entry at the border, nor the last. They contacted the HO presumably as she  hasn't got time to retrurn to the US and get a visitor visa before her party on Saturday, which I don't doubt would have been approved because many are.


I don't blame them for contacting the HO with a party arranged and people flying in from the US and it's highly likely with proof of that she will be granted entry. If she had applied for a visitor visa from the US when her spouse visa was refused, as the HO recommend people do to visit after a visa has-been refused, it is  likely she would have got that and already be in the UK.
 
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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #106 on: August 01, 2018, 01:08:44 PM »
If she had applied for a visitor visa from the US when her spouse visa was refused, it was highly likely she would have got that and already been in the UK.

That's what makes this situation particularly unusual. They had not received a decision on the spouse visa application (although apparently it had been made some time ago) so they were unaware that they had been refused until she tried to enter from Calais on her second passport.


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #107 on: August 01, 2018, 01:17:41 PM »
That's what makes this situation particularly unusual. They had not received a decision on the spouse visa application (although apparently it had been made some time ago) so they were unaware that they had been refused until she tried to enter from Calais on her second passport.

The paper said they got told this at the border, but on social media they seem to be saying they knew of this refusal before.


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #108 on: August 01, 2018, 01:18:16 PM »
As an example, a poor person from a Muslim country would not have sympathy from the press. That is the definition of privilege.

Her posts here and in the article have shown she feels they qualified for the visa even though they didn't at the time they applied. Its a common error, one that can be fixed once they do qualify. Then ignored both the guidance from the government of making no travel arrangements until you have the visa, and the advice to apply for a visitor visa in advance. Yes, she did things everyone can do and was turned away at the border as one would expect from the circumstances. Without the press sympathy she would be heading back to the states or remaining in France until after the weekend. She specifically used her privilege to get special treatment.

I'm sorry, that's just nonsense.  People from all walks of life make the UK press over visa issues.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/satbir-singh-gitanjali-home-office-visa_uk_5a225365e4b03350e0b6eae9?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0xJnZlZD0yYWhVS0V3alItcmlRNnN2Y0FoV0tUbjBLSFFXeEJlNFFGakFBZWdRSUFoQUImdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGd3d3Lmh1ZmZpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvLnVrJTJGZW50cnklMkZzYXRiaXItc2luZ2gtZ2l0YW5qYWxpLWhvbWUtb2ZmaWNlLXZpc2FfdWtfNWEyMjUzNjVlNGIwMzM1MGUwYjZlYWU5JnVzZz1BT3ZWYXcxaktydmpQZno3ME5PMnd1VG9SaE1n&guce_referrer_cs=06scb3S6Fk5UOc7_i31KaA


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #109 on: August 01, 2018, 01:18:43 PM »
The article mentions that her husband's parents are wealthy, though I can't see how that's relevant.
Talk about a misleading article though!  The entire thing just makes me blood boil, including this:
"The couple are expecting 90 guests at a lavish ceremony in Surrey this Sunday that has cost £20,000."  ::)  Since when has a £20,000 reception been lavish???  That's well below the average cost in the UK for a wedding reception and the SE is known to be particularly expensive which I assume carries over into weddings.  Feeding 90 people adds up quickly.  And getting to 90 people between 2 families is easy to do.

The article makes her appear as a spoiled brat.  The couple just didn't read very well.  At all.  I hope she's let in for their reception and then work on getting the proper visas sorted in the correct way.


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #110 on: August 01, 2018, 01:20:16 PM »
But the paper said they got told this at the border, but on social media they seem to be saying they knew of this refusal before.

I got the impression that they had been told at the border from both the article and social media. And going by her comments here on the forum, where she was desperate to get her decision before she had to travel for the party, I would say that they definitely didn't know until she tried to enter.


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #111 on: August 01, 2018, 01:26:27 PM »
The article mentions that her husband's parents are wealthy, though I can't see how that's relevant.
Talk about a misleading article though!  The entire thing just makes me blood boil, including this:
"The couple are expecting 90 guests at a lavish ceremony in Surrey this Sunday that has cost £20,000."  ::)  Since when has a £20,000 reception been lavish???  That's well below the average cost in the UK for a wedding reception and the SE is known to be particularly expensive which I assume carries over into weddings.  Feeding 90 people adds up quickly.  And getting to 90 people between 2 families is easy to do.

The article makes her appear as a spoiled brat.  The couple just didn't read very well.  At all.  I hope she's let in for their reception and then work on getting the proper visas sorted in the correct way.

Well, that was another point...

But it's 'privilege' these days, so it seems...


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #112 on: August 01, 2018, 01:40:51 PM »
I'm sorry, that's just nonsense.  People from all walks of life make the UK press over visa issues.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/satbir-singh-gitanjali-home-office-visa_uk_5a225365e4b03350e0b6eae9?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0xJnZlZD0yYWhVS0V3alItcmlRNnN2Y0FoV0tUbjBLSFFXeEJlNFFGakFBZWdRSUFoQUImdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGd3d3Lmh1ZmZpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvLnVrJTJGZW50cnklMkZzYXRiaXItc2luZ2gtZ2l0YW5qYWxpLWhvbWUtb2ZmaWNlLXZpc2FfdWtfNWEyMjUzNjVlNGIwMzM1MGUwYjZlYWU5JnVzZz1BT3ZWYXcxaktydmpQZno3ME5PMnd1VG9SaE1n&guce_referrer_cs=06scb3S6Fk5UOc7_i31KaA

To be fair, this case isn’t exactly comparable - Singh works at a welfare council for immigrants and thus his case would get more attention from the press because he works in the field, so to speak. I think Margo absolutely has a point about people being privileged - the press may be more inclined to listen to certain stories than others.
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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #113 on: August 01, 2018, 01:43:33 PM »
Well, that was another point...

But it's 'privilege' these days, so it seems...

Not agreeing or disagreeing on the overall point at hand, just wanted to point out that in the very beginning of the article you linked, Singh mentions how "most people can't do this. Most people can't write something for Huffpost and bring pressure to bear." (and also, fairly, states they shouldn't have to)
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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #114 on: August 01, 2018, 01:47:04 PM »
As a fellow person who went through all the hurdles and stress of UK immigration, I feel for her.  There are a plethora of things that absolutely suck about UKVI, and I don't think anyone here has strong positive feelings about them.  I don't have a problem with what she's done as she's not actually done anything wrong.  Plenty of people are refused visas because they don't meet the eligibility requirements, or their application isn't supported with the correct documentation, or they have unpaid NHS debt, and so on.  And it's not a crime to enter the UK as a visitor after a refused visa application, or a previous bounce.  Many people on this forum have done so successfully - some by applying in advance for entry clearance as a visitor, and some by just showing up at the border and taking the risk.

Ultimately, they took a gamble, and in the end, it didn't work out.

UKVI recommend not to book flights (not to mention entire blessing ceremonies) until you have confirmation your visa is approved, and that you have it in hand to ensure your personal details are correct.

While UKVI does have processing service standards, there's always the chance exceptional circumstances could mean they fall short.  Maybe your personal situation is highly complicated, and additional checks take longer than usual.  Maybe there's an outbreak of virulent flu causing unexpected severe staff shortages.  Goodness forbid, there's a terrorist atrocity and the majority of civil servants are redeployed to provide support in other areas.

Even if the visa had been granted, and even if it was granted within a week, there are still other factors that could cause problems with the best laid plans.  What if Eyjafjallajökull erupted again?  What if air traffic control staff went on strike?  What if the Chunnel had to be closed for a few weeks for emergency engineering work?

When you go on holiday, you don't expect to suddenly develop acute appendicitis and need emergency surgery.  You take a gamble before you go as to whether you'll purchase insurance or not.  More than likely, you can jet off without insurance, and you'll have a lovely holiday without any drama.  But this might be that one time something unexpected occurs, and your gamble doesn't work out - and now you find yourself being discharged from a hospital with a sizeable invoice.

They made a calculated decision that their visa would be approved within the processing time stated by UKVI, and made plans based on that without a safety net of insurance coverage for their event.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but you must be prepared that it is a risk you are taking.  And if it doesn't pan out, you need to acknowledge that you took that chance.

I have no love for UKVI, but in this instance, it's not wholly their fault.  Certainly, they have some blame if the visa had been refused in May and the decision letter wasn't dispatched, but even with them having that portion of responsibility, it's still not entirely UKVI's mess.

On one hand, I'll be happy to see her and her husband make their ceremony.  Enough families are put through the ringer due to immigration.  On the other, there's just something that doesn't sit with me that they ran to the media calling what they went through "tortuous."  There are people whose lives are literally dependent on obtaining permission to remain in the UK - and who are put under massive scrutiny due to others abusing the system.  There are families with children separated for years from a parent due to strict eligibility requirements - where UKVI has essentially created a single-parent household despite both parents wanting to live and raise their child(ren) together as one family unit.  And let us not forget a family from this forum where the UKC half sadly passed away in the US (despite wanting to be able to go back home during his short time left) as his illness and resulting inability to work in the USA meant he couldn't meet the requirements to sponsor his partner to come back with him.
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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #115 on: August 01, 2018, 02:09:45 PM »
I don't even have to look.

If you are an immigrant, you are my brother/sister!
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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #116 on: August 01, 2018, 02:13:06 PM »
I don't even have to look.

If you are an immigrant, you are my brother/sister!

This!  So much this!


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #117 on: August 01, 2018, 02:24:55 PM »
Does that make me a sister in law ?  ;D


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #118 on: August 01, 2018, 02:37:11 PM »
Does that make me a sister in law ?  ;D


None of this in law stuff!  Sister!


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Re: Sounds familiar
« Reply #119 on: August 01, 2018, 03:47:29 PM »
I don't even have to look.

If you are an immigrant, you are my brother/sister!

Does that mean I owe you a birthday card or you owe me a wedding gift?  ;D ;)

As for the subject at hand, I’ll refrain from repeating what I told my husband last night. Hope she does things right next time and listens to the advice given by all on this forum.
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